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JackNapier said:

I never thought it made sense for Anakin to be mentioning Leia while he’s dying.

I’ve always thought it was ambiguous in ROTJ whether Vader even knew that Leia was his daughter.

He figured out that Luke had a sister, but he just refers to her as “twin sister” / “your sister”. I feel like he would have referred to her by name if he had been able to figure out the actual identity of Luke’s sister.

Bail Organa was a senator. Obi-Wan was a Jedi. The Jedi served the Republic and by extension the senate in the Clone Wars. Certain point of view wins again.

screams in the void said:

wow ! That photo of Charles Dance looks spot on for Thrawn . Is that a personal photo of him or from his role in a movie ? While watching Game Of Thrones , I thought he would make a great Imperial villain for Star Wars , but never considered him for Thrawn , as Tywin Lannister commanded respect through fear ,whereas those under Thrawn respected him out of Loyalty and his willingness to stand up for them .( The ensign he had Rhuk execute in Heir to the Empire notwithstanding ) .I think the audio book narrator that imitates Mikklsen that Bonez mentioned is Marc Thompson . Marc Thompson actually did his own take on Thrawn before that in the 2oth anniversary audiobook of Heir To The Empire ,and I thought he did an awesome job on all of the male characters in that one. He later changed his voice to impersonate Mikklsen after Thrawn debuted on Rebels .

When Rogue One was first announced I was hoping they would cast Charles Dance as Tarkin. That certainly would have been better than what we got.

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SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I disagree. An Empire vs rebels/new hope vs fallen Jedi apprentice replay is not my interpretation of breaking new ground. TLJ’s calculated story twists don’t alter the fact, that it still shares a lot of narrative and visual similarities with TESB and ROTJ. It’s less derivative than TFA, but the fact that TLJ is seen by many as moving to new territory, imo proves that Star Wars has become so limited in scope, that the slightest deviation from the mold is now seen as visionary, and creative.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

I actually really agree with you here. TLJ does take more risks than TFA, but it also could have taken some real chances that would have really shaken up the SW universe.

Firstly, after TFA, with Starkiller base destroyed, and the Republic gone, there was a vacuum of power that could be explored by Johnson in whatever way he saw fit. JJ gets a lot of criticism for writing RJ into a corner but the political situation was wide open. Johnson could have literally gone any direction with the overall story but instead went in such a boring and safe direction. The First Order now just rules over basically the entire galaxy, the Resistance is small and on the run the entire movie, and RJ basically just doubled down on the Rebels.V.Empire concept.

Secondly, RJ still had a second chance to really turn the story around with Kylo and Rey. Imagine if Rey accepted Kylo’s call to join him? Both the light side user and dark side user in the sequel trilogy, truly joining forces to eradicate what came before and start something entirely new?

Overall, RJ took a few risks but didn’t go nearly far enough to get away from remixing elements of other SW movies. I will admit that killing off Snoke was a great surprise and a really good decision by RJ that did something new with Star Wars.

I thought I was the Solo thread for a while - yet no, of course members here have no other threads to discuss TLJ/TFA and the choices of the respective directors & writers in.

You must be fun at parties.

Solo was fine, I didn’t feel angry or embarrassed at any scene except perhaps when Han got his last name.

One thing the RLM guys mentioned in their review which I’m sure will bug me during repeat viewings is the drab colour palette. I’d like to increase the brightness a little bit, or whatever it is colour correction actually consists of.

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A Lucas’d version of a Plinkett review? This is circles within circles.

Great work you’re doing though, would be awesome if RLM would provide the original footage shot for this review (e.g. Jack, Gillian, Jay & Rich describing various characters) if it still exists.

doubleofive said:

trimboNZ said:

Telion said:

doubleofive said:

There’s a female pilot in the battle already who speaks with a man’s voice. She’s going to be redubbed, and new pilots will be filmed and added.

Oh really, I didn’t know that. Wow that’s weird. I need to watch ROTJ again.

Look for the line, “Got it”.

I updated my post with a link (2:29 in):

https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o?t=2m29s

Is that the same person who says “3 of them coming in, twenty degrees”? I always thought so, but now I’m not so sure.

The only thing that really stuck out to me in my recent rewatch was the sequence where the set of stairs falls over in Moria. Looks like something out of the PS2 game.

doubleofive said:

Judge said:

Speaking of mistakes, it’s always bothered me that in this shot - and all the other shots looking out the window of the Super Star Destroyer’s bridge - the hull is not visible (I believe that’s the surface of the Death Star in the background).

Isn’t the SSD supposed to be 20km or so long? Consider this scene from ESB. I always thought the SSD’s super structure should have been visible in the background.

This might be a tricky one to achieve as I’m not sure if there are any quality SSD models out there, 3D or physical.

Back on ESBR, Ady determined that none of the camera angles allowed you to see the super structure out the window, perhaps even deliberately shot that way. Not sure about the head-on shot there though.

That makes sense. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the only shots looking straight out of the SSD bridge window are long shots, with the camera positioned at the rear of the bridge. In RoTJ the camera angles are slightly more varied - probably because they actually built the whole set?

Speaking of mistakes, it’s always bothered me that in this shot - and all the other shots looking out the window of the Super Star Destroyer’s bridge - the hull is not visible (I believe that’s the surface of the Death Star in the background).

Isn’t the SSD supposed to be 20km or so long? Consider this scene from ESB. I always thought the SSD’s super structure should have been visible in the background.

This might be a tricky one to achieve as I’m not sure if there are any quality SSD models out there, 3D or physical.

I’m not sure if this has already been brought up, but Denis Lawson actually reprised his role as Wedge for the video game Rogue Squadron 2. It might be difficult to source high quality sound clips (what with the GameCube using those ridiculous “not-MiniDiscs”), but if you can find them they might come in handy for extra dialogue in the extended Battle of Endor.

Here’s a clip from RS2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDoApxyXwj0

Keep in mind Wedge is featured in pretty much every level so there’s a wealth of material available.

EDIT: I’ve realised that clip only has, like, one line from Wedge. Nevermind, you get the idea.

nickyd47 said:

Was that hand handled at Emperor Palpatines Surgical Reconstruction Center?

[hysterical, shrieking, uncontrollable laughter]

nickyd47 said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m super suspicious of this.

And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.

Then again, if it was only digital then Disney would get 100% of the profit on Empire and Jedi.

Yeah, 100% of the substantially smaller profits.

True, and it would piss off a lot of people to release such a long-sought-after item as a digital-only release.

Celebration 2017 Starts
Kathleen Kennedy walks on stage and says "About the theatrical cuts"
Audience goes nuts
She continues "The original versions of the films you love"
Audience gets even louder with a couple of people shrieking audibly louder than everyone else
"Are NEVER going to be released"
Drops the microphone and walks off stage
Audience is silent
Audience CHEERS with claps and tears
Celebration 2017 ends and everyone goes home
Collider recaps Celebration 2017 and talks about how they all stood up and clapped and cried over Kennedy’s announcement

YOU JUST KEEP HITTING THE FUCKING HOME RUNS DISNEY!!!

stealthboy said:

At this point I’m not even sure I want Disney/Lucasfilm doing it because I’m sure they’d manage to screw it up somehow.

You’re right, they probably would, as they have done numerous times in the past.

The fact is that fans with the right technical know how will always be able to produce the best results because they are fans, not employees of gigantic corporations. Any official restoration has a strict budget and time frame, not to mention guys in suits sticking their noses in at every turn to see how costs can be cut. A dedicated fan of the film working in their spare time has none of these considerations. Similarly I imagine the average Fox employee in 1996 really didn’t give a shit what colour the rebel soldiers’ shirts were supposed to be.

LucasFilm are very much aware of Mike Verta’s project (they’ve warned him against releasing it after all) so Disney have probably at least considered buying it from him for commercial purposes. Given their obsession with maximising profits that must surely be more appealing than starting their own long, pricey and difficult restoration project.

Hardcore Legend said:

On that note, how did R2 and 3PO get so dirty simply stepping out of the escape pod and walking 500 feet?

Also why did R2 waste his time rolling around on Tatooine instead of using his rocket boosters?

There was speculation about this on Reddit the other day as well. Thread in question: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedLetterMedia/comments/5wb6kh/unaltered_version_of_star_wars/

Basically this guy noticed that the soundtrack listing for RoTJ on iTunes replaced Jedi Rocks with Lapti Nek, and Victory Celebration with Yub Nub. He speculates that it’s in preparation for an unaltered release of the movie.

I was skeptical, but combined with what’s already been posted in this thread, it does seem to make the evidence a little more compelling.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m sorry you can’t accept the plain fact that ROTJ is worse than ESB but you don’t have to come up with elaborate rationalizations to prove otherwise to yourself.

I am sorry you cannot understand what is being argued here. There was no comparison to ROTJ with regards to which is better, let alone me expressing any preference. I simply pointed out the stupidity of your statement regarding budget.

I’m glad you’re confident enough in your argument that you have to resort to ad hominem to demonstrate how right you are. Sad!

imperialscum said:
Since Lucas handled all the creative aspects (ideas, story, script, editing, etc.), the aspect of ensuring the film to ran on budget and schedule was basically Kurtz’s only job.

Haha, OK. If you say so.

imperialscum said:

Judge said:

imperialscum said:

Judge said:

imperialscum said:
The film went two times over schedule and two times over budget. I think in film business, that is pretty much the most obvious evidence of producer’s incompetence you can get. Even big studies freak out at even one of those conditions, let alone a newly founded independent studio. Even though this is widely-known information, for reliable source you can refer to Making of ESB by Rinzler.

I’m looking for a citation of your original claim here, and I can’t see it. Saying that the film went over schedule and over budget is one thing. It’s an enormous conjectural leap to suggest that Kurtz was fired during production as a result.

He was not officially fired before the end of ESB, however he was apparently effectively replaced by Kazanjian. I think it is diplomatically stated so in Making of ESB (it has been a while since I read the book). Also Wikipedia says so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kurtz#The_Empire_Strikes_Back

It seems like Kazanjian was brought in by Lucas just to get the film finished after Kurtz & Kersh spent a bit too much time trying to make it good with no regard to costs. This was, I think, the start of GL’s tendency to surround himself with yes-men in later years - obviously with a view to maximising profit. I guess it depends what you consider the role of the producer to be; make the film as good as possible, or make the film as cheap as possible. Ironic though that Lucas was the one who went back and re-shot most of the film’s final sequence after the film had premiered.

The job of producer is to ensure things run according to schedule and budget. He/she should create or enforce the working conditions for that to be achieved. Of course it is not his/her fault if the director is not capable of achieving good results in a minimal amount of time

No, what you’re describing is the executive producer. The producer’s job is to oversee set design, story development, casting, shooting etc. and create a good motion picture. GL clearly didn’t allocate enough money and time for the film he wanted to make in the first place, given that he went back after the premiere.

Also saying that Kurtz was financially clueless is laughable considering they made Star Wars on a total shoestring budget - less than most comedies at the time, IIRC.

The proof is in the pudding. RoTJ was generally regarded as “the bad one” until 1999 whereas ESB is still considered the best in the series and one of the better films ever made. It’s a little bit completely stupid to suggest Kurtz was incompetent when he’s had a hand in such great cinema.

imperialscum said:

Judge said:

imperialscum said:
The film went two times over schedule and two times over budget. I think in film business, that is pretty much the most obvious evidence of producer’s incompetence you can get. Even big studies freak out at even one of those conditions, let alone a newly founded independent studio. Even though this is widely-known information, for reliable source you can refer to Making of ESB by Rinzler.

I’m looking for a citation of your original claim here, and I can’t see it. Saying that the film went over schedule and over budget is one thing. It’s an enormous conjectural leap to suggest that Kurtz was fired during production as a result.

He was not officially fired before the end of ESB, however he was apparently effectively replaced by Kazanjian. I think it is diplomatically stated so in Making of ESB (it has been a while since I read the book). Also Wikipedia says so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kurtz#The_Empire_Strikes_Back

It seems like Kazanjian was brought in by Lucas just to get the film finished after Kurtz & Kersh spent a bit too much time trying to make it good with no regard to costs. This was, I think, the start of GL’s tendency to surround himself with yes-men in later years - obviously with a view to maximising profit. I guess it depends what you consider the role of the producer to be; make the film as good as possible, or make the film as cheap as possible. Ironic though that Lucas was the one who went back and re-shot most of the film’s final sequence after the film had premiered.

imperialscum said:
The film went two times over schedule and two times over budget. I think in film business, that is pretty much the most obvious evidence of producer’s incompetence you can get. Even big studies freak out at even one of those conditions, let alone a newly founded independent studio. Even though this is widely-known information, for reliable source you can refer to Making of ESB by Rinzler.

I’m looking for a citation of your original claim here, and I can’t see it. Saying that the film went over schedule and over budget is one thing. It’s an enormous conjectural leap to suggest that Kurtz was fired during production as a result.

imperialscum said:
It also does not have much weight coming from Kurtz (who was being fired during ESB for incompetence and had nothing to do with ROTJ and Prowse (who seemed to have be acting as jerk for years before he eventually got banned from LF events).

Do you have a reliable source for your claim re: Kurtz? I’ve never read or seen anything to suggest he was fired for incompetence, only that he left post-ESB due to creative differences. Even Lucas has never suggested that, despite the clear acrimony between them.

Prowse has been lied to and screwed over by Lucas from day one, so I’m not surprised he was “acting as jerk”. I certainly trust him more than Lucas when it comes to the history of these movies, considering Lucas’ entire version of events has been contradicted by other figures in one way or another over the years. It seems more likely to me that Prowse was banned from LFL events for not sticking to the ‘official story’.

I’m a bit worried about this movie for a number of reasons. Actually, worried is the wrong word. I’m far too jaded about Star Wars to worry about anything these days.

For one, I get the feeling that this film will totally ruin Han’s arc in ANH. He goes from “cynical smuggler who cares only about himself” to “rogue who sacrifices his own interests to save his friends” in the course of the film. That’s his character. If they try and make Han out to be a good guy in the standalone movie (which they will; this is Disney we’re talking about here) it will spoil his character progression. This will make his whole subplot in ANH completely pointless.

Secondly, Emilia Clarke. I am not being at all hyperbolic when I say she is the worst actress who has ever lived. Obviously it doesn’t help that her character on Game of Thrones is very boring and poorly written, but she manages to somehow make Daenerys even worse through her portrayal. Her delivery of the dialogue is just cringeworthy (e.g. “WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?!”) - I’m predicting she will give Hayden a run for his money as the most wooden and monotonous portrayal of a character in a Star Wars movie.

Moreover I’m sure this movie will continue with Disney’s trend of shoving in as much yawn-inducing, eye-roll worthy fanservice as they possibly can. Anyone wanna throw out any guesses of what this might include? I’m gonna say Lando will lose the Falcon to Han and say something like “promise me she won’t get a scratch”, then look directly at the camera.