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#224474
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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I just got back from seeing it again this afternoon, and I gotta say, I still love this movie. I personally didn't have a problem with the Lois Lane character. I thought she was fine.

They tried to give Lois so much strength that she pretty much did not show any sort of fear... like she really did not need Superman at all. Margot Kidder knew when to turn on the screams in the face of death and made scenes more believable.


Yes, but you have to take that in context. Lois has been abandoned for 5 years. Superman wasn't there to save her anymore (and lordy, did she need saving during those early movies) so she had to put on the "tough girl face" just to survive.
Not to crap on anyone's childhood, but I hated the Kidder Lois. She screamed ALL the time. I mean, when I rented the first movie my aunt turned to me and said "She's a screamer, isn't she." Oye. Lois really didn't do anything for me. And don't get me started about the "musical number" that when on when Superman takes her for a ride...

Anyway, I guess I'm just not a fan of the first movies (or the bright red giant S-ed cape). Superman Returns made the movie real for me. It put in human elements, realism, and cut down on the 3 stoodges antics of the first movie. "Turn around men while I give this woman 'CPR'." "Coming Mr. Luther! Woop woop woop woop!" "I will fly around really fast and make the world GO BACK IN TIME and some how not kill everyone on the planet by doing so!" *rolls eyes*

I was born in 1983. I didn't really grow up with Superman at all. This new movie may be as important to me as the original 1978 movie is to some of you older fans.

Someone said that "Superman isn't a subsitute for religion. But it does work as a subsitute for mythology." The Christ-like allagories in this new film are warming, and for the strong Christian that I am it helps put a more...tangable...spin on a theme that I know all so well." This movie touched me in more ways than one, and now it will always be one of my favorites.
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#224186
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224186/action/topic#224186
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
You had to pay to get something out of a library?


Books are always free of course. For music CDs it's 50 cents. For DVDs it's $1.

I rent all my movies from the library. Better selection than any Blockbuster (except I cannot for the love of cake, find "Attack of the 50 foot woman) and is cheep as hell. I mean, one freakin' dollar for the first box set of Batman Volume 1? It doesn't get any better than that.
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#224179
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224179/action/topic#224179
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I need to buy those DVDs too (Batman). I have rented all 4 volumes from the library (for the amzing price of only $4!!!) and watched just about all of them. God those cartoons were so good. My whole childhood afternoons rapped up in 4 neat little packages. It's why I'm such a huge Batman fan ('asides from the Joker). He's so dark and awesome.

There is a saying: "Women want to date Batman, but they want to marry Superman." God, could that be any more true? *swoon*
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#224172
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Great MArk Hamill Interview
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224172/action/topic#224172
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Mark Hamill is so awesome. I feel honored to have gone to high school in the same country as him (we are both military brats from Japan). And he is still married to his first wife of 30 years or so. That says A LOT about the Hollywood mind set.

And he's right. He can't say much publicly about the OOT, but it's very comforting to know that he's behind us in our desire to have the option of watching the movies we feel in love with. Saying that "that history will work itself out" is so true. The PT is already starting to fade.

The man is awesome. And I've got his autograph that he mailed to me. Personally signed and everything. Quite bitchin'.
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#224132
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224132/action/topic#224132
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Everyone keeps saying "It's not as good as Batman Begins! It's not as good as Batman Begins!"

Now BB was a fine movie and I'm more of a Batman fan than I am a Superman fan, but I just don't see how "Batman Begins" is better than "Superman Returns." People keep saying, "There was too much talking, not enough fighting. The opening credits were too long, blah blah blah." People are so used to seeing shit blow up every 32 seconds that when there is character development the audiance sees it as boring. You also have to remember that this movie is a "restart and reboot" of the whole Superman franchise. It hasn't been in theaters for 19 years and hasn't had any GOOD movies in over 26 years. People who bitch and moan that SR didn't have enough mayhem and violence are probably the same people who would laugh and clap their hands if Superman blew out a star by farting. No body appreciates subtlety any more.

Now back to my point, both BB and SR are quality films (and most of us are just simply saying that), but I found myself more in love with Superman Returns than the batman movie. I hardly remember the Batman movie as it is. I loved it, but for some reason it didn't leave that much of an impact on me (I got lost in the whole plot of Bruce Wayne training with Oscar Schindler on some Tibet mountain), where as the Superman movie...I cried twice during the film. It's fantastic. I guess I can relate more with Superman? I donno.

My personal opinion: Superman Returns > Batman Begins. It was just a phenominal movie for me. I am in total love with Brandon Routh right now because of it. Much in the same way I was with Spider-man all those years ago. And that Superman suit? Total win. 100 times better than any fruity costume that has ever been.
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#224024
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224024/action/topic#224024
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I believe that Clark Kent is the real personality. Had he grown up on Krypton he would have been one of the shyest boys in his class. But because he has such great powers on Earth he takes the initiative to help out those who desperatly need it. But he's not allowed to interfere with Human events (i.e. war, civil up risings, political endevors. He saves people from the symptoms, not the cause) so he does what he can.

A someone once said: "Clark Kent is who I am. Superman is what I can do."

Batman on the other hands is who the man really is. Bruce Wayne is just the social face he puts on.

And I gotta say, for someone who never watched Superman growing up, I am totally in love with this movie. I'm seeing it again tomorrow.

And the Spider-Man trailer looked cool, but I'm only excited about seeing it for Topher Grace. I've noticed that a lot of people who didn't much care for Superman Returns said that Spider-Man 1 and 2 were much, much better (along with X3). I personally thought that Spider-Man 2 sucked. It was so cheezy and cliched in my opinion. And sure, I liked the X-Men movies, but good lord I loved Superman. To each his own I guess.

And for those of you who took Chemistry, please direct your attention to the fact that Krypton is a real element.
http://glencoe.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/dl/free/0078600499/161383/635_97_q2_q3.jpg

I told this to my cousin and it blew his mind. http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-monocle.gif
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#223591
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223591/action/topic#223591
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I just came back from seeing the movie and I am in TOTAL LOVE WITH SUPERMAN. No seriously. I'm not even a Superman fan, but I am sure as hell a fan of this movie. And you gotta love the new actor. God is he hot. I was so in love with him the whole time I sat in the theater.

I won't put any spoilers or anything, but I was crying like a bitch at the end. This was a fantastic movie. Way, way better than Superman I and II (and personally III and IV don't exist for me). Oh man, was this a kick ass movie. First Batman Begins, and now Superman Returns. My happy meter is now officially maxed out. Go see this movie everyone so we can talk without spoilers.
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#223463
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John Williams' Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223463/action/topic#223463
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I actually have the 1997 SE soundtracks. I need to go take a look at them, but each set is actually a 2 disk set with about 24 - 30 tracks for one film giving just about every snippet of music found in the movies. Which is fantastic because there is this great bonus track on ANH disk 2 titled "Binary Sunset, Alternate." If you have never heard this one before it is awesome!

The alternate score starts were Luke would have said "Yeah that's what you said when Biggs and Tank left" and goes on until the next scene (when looking for R2 the next morning). The music that was composed originally was much, much darker and more eerie. You see Luke looking at the sun sets and the music seems to be saying "The empire is out there and they will be coming. Nothing good is going to come from this and your future is uncertain." It's really cool. Gives a total 180 degree look at what that whole scene means. And it was all just a simple change in music.
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#223461
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Remember when everyone hated Return of the Jedi?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223461/action/topic#223461
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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
Ewoks were not a horrendous BACKGROUND character. But, even at the age of eleven, I never believed that a band of teddy bears with sticks and stones would defeat a legion of the Emperor's best troops in a single afternoon..."not no way, not no how." That was just silly.


You see, that's strange. When I was 11 and saw ROTJ for the first time I thought that the Ewoks worked brilliantly. They were the embodiment of innocents, hope, and goodness. The stormtroopers were harsh, military, narrow minded (and weak minded) drones who's only task was to do what the emperor told them. It's a classic subplot on a variation of David and Golith.

To this day, I don't have problems with Ewoks. I know that everybody hates them, but I don't. They are proof that you don't need military superiority to win an impossible battle. You just need srength of will. Sure they lost some Ewoks on the way, but in the end good won over evil.
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#223303
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Remember when everyone hated Return of the Jedi?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223303/action/topic#223303
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Lucas is a brilliant storyteller. He can come up with amazing worlds and situations and characters. But that is the extent of his tallent. He's a better producer than anything else.

Kershner is just one bad-ass director. He took the unusable dialogue and had the actors kick it around until it worked.
And when the script was written by Brackett & Kasdan you had them working exclusivly on that aspect of the movie.

For as much as an autuer director that Lucas wants to be, he isn't. He simply lacks the ability to do that. Hell, Speilberg just directs. You don't see him banging out scripts and then making a movie about it.

Making movies is a team process. You have 3 or 4 top dogs who are brilliant in one area but lackluster in others and when you combine them all you get one kick-ass production team. Lucas was too much of a douch bag to realize that when making the PT and apparently skipped out on his peice of the humble pie and just did the whole thing himself. And it sucked.
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#223293
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John Williams' Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223293/action/topic#223293
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Originally posted by: Mielr
...and "light of the force" which is probably the best rendition of the force theme in the OT.
Oh without a doubt. Beautiful, beautiful music. I honostly don't get goosebumps easily but there is yet another score that brings them to my skin. It's just so triumphantly final that you can almost see Luke holding up a raised lightsaber as it if were excalabur itself.

Originally posted by: Mielr

I don't get it- weren't we always told that the star wars movies were the story of Luke Skywalker, and how he eventually "saves" his father?


You also have to remember that the original title to the whole Star Wars trilogy before 1977 was "Star Wars: From the adventures of Luke Skywalker". Even the book reprints have to have that little disclaimer on the cover no mater how much Lucas bitches and moans.
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#223285
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Should Wedge have been tried for cowardice?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223285/action/topic#223285
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
All my life, I'd thought that, "I can't stay with you," meant, "I have to leave." But instead, it means, "My ship can't keep up with your ship anymore," and that makes a lot more sense. It also makes Luke's line, "You can't do any more good back there," make more sense.
That does make more sense, but I think something along the lines of "I'm loosing speed!" or "I'm hit! I can't keep up!" would have alleviated any doubt in Wedge's honor.


although you have to admit that Biggs had to have "jumped ship" pretty quickly to be there by the time Luke arrives

Yeah, considering that Luke shows up 5 days later since he last saw his best friend. I bet Biggs was thinking "Damn, that kid works fast. Wait, why are you here?... Oh, dude. I'm so sorry."

Originally posted by: Ozkeeper
Then you all stand around hoping some wet-behind-the-ears kid who spends his days bombing rats...

Let's not forget how huge those rats are! I mean, 2 meters?! Good god, I'm 2 meters tall!! Talk about bullseying rats! Luke was bullseying kanga-fucking-roos!!

Glad I don't live on Tatooine.
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#222757
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John Williams' Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222757/action/topic#222757
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Originally posted by: MielrThe bonus-DVD is the ONLY reason I bought it, though.


I liked the bonus DVD as well, but there were a fews parts that I hated. Such as the Love Theme with all the shots from AOTC. You pretty much just hear music and then a little over half way through the music (maybe about 3 minutes in) during a softer cue of the music you hear Anakin shout out "Padme!" It scared the crap out of me, and I hated it. You are so wrapped up in just watching the music video and listening to the notes and then have someone yell at you... no sir, I don't like it.
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#222754
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Should Wedge have been tried for cowardice?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222754/action/topic#222754
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Yeah, who the hell was in that damned Y-wing? And what were they doing?

And about the Wedge thing. I donno. If I was in his position I would leave as ordered too. But Wedge says "I'm hit, I can't stay with you." and then Luke says "Get clear Wedge, you can't do any more good back there." It seems like Wedge was trying to bail even before Luke gave him the order to leave.

And this has always bothered me because Wedge is just an awesome character. I love him, man. But he did seem to want to chicken out after he was hit and when Luke gave the order his "Sorry." didn't sound like he was all that sorry.

Far be it for me to criticize someone in a combat zone when one's life is at stake. Who knows, I might have done the same thing, but Wedge did seem pretty adimate about wanting to get out of there. I donno.
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#222513
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OT.com = TFN?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222513/action/topic#222513
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Originally posted by: CO

-Why doesn't Luke cry in ROTJ?


Because he's a man?







Nah, I kid. He does cry. When Yoda dies. And then when Vader dies. Sure his head hangs down and you can't see his eyes, but by the way he trembles as he hangs his head you know he's crying like a bitch.

And that is why I love him.
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#222507
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222507/action/topic#222507
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Originally posted by: trickbaxter
Leia remembering her mom has never bothered me, because I instantly assumed she was referring to her adopted mother.


Of course that would make little sense for her to be thinking of her adopted mother when talking with Luke. The whole point of the scene is to show that something very deep and wrong was going on in the family even when they were babies.

Since Luke knows that Leia is his sister but has no memory of his mother it would make sense that he would ask her about her memories. I highly doubt that Luke would have given a flying rats ass about what Leia thought of her adopted mother.
"She was very beautiful. Kind, yet ... sad." Gee, now why would Leia remember her mom being sad? Probably due to the fact that her husband turned into a total douch bag.

He also stresses the issue "Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?" I'm not adopted but I would seriously question what someone was getting at if they asked me if I remembered my real mother. "Uhh...I've only had one mom."

EDIT: Leia is mentioned as being adopted somewhere. It's really obscure, but it's there. I think it is on the Star Wars LP soundtrack. You open it up and it has little bios on the characters and makes note that she is the adopted daughter of Senater Organa. Something like that.

I also believe that during Star Wars Leia and Luke were not ment to be related, but then when George got the green light for ESB (and subsequently ROTJ) he started writing that the two would be twins. But then again, the fact that both Luke and Leia are the same age and have the same stupid twin cliche (naming both children with same letter and number of letters, i.e. Mary & Mark, John & Jane) that maybe old George did have it all planned. I like to pretend that he did right from the begining, even if it isn't true.


So, Mark and George aren't freinds anymore, eh? Not that I can blame him (Mark). I don't like George either. During the Achivement award thing Harrison was the only cast member sitting with George. Apparently Carrie and Mark were like, "Hell no."