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#1058441
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - FanEdit Ideas <strong><em>SPOILERS</em></strong>
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ForceGhostRecon said:

I’ve taken out Tatooine… works much better now. Vader also now says “Send a detachment to retrieve them.” instead of “Send a detachment DOWN to retrieve them.”

https://vimeo.com/209742146

(still needs to be fine-tuned, but gets the idea across)

I like a lot of what you’ve done. I think you could remove the droids crossing the hall and have Vader entering sooner.

I also think you can still show Tantive escaping and being chased by the Star Destroyer. Vader is just already on board.

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#1058299
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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The recent articles about K2SO’s death and the Vader featurette show that there were alternate scenes filmed, despite the claims that no real deleted scenes existed to be put on.

Also, it is my understanding that the Vader scene in the hallway was added on very late in the production and that a different actor had to be called in to film it? Well, I just read another article that said Vader’s final scene in one of the late cuts was to kill Krennic for his failures. Was this filmed?

Basically, I want ALL THE VADER FOOTAGE! ALL OF IT!

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#1058298
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What anthology/spinoff film would you like to see?
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I would like to see McGregor return as Obi-Wan but I just don’t see how that film (or films since there have been rumors of a trilogy) would work. It would be very difficult to build a film around a character can’t be recognized or known by anyone for continuity sake. A film with Obi-Wan not dressed as a Jedi would just look weird.

The one plot point that could have worked was a confrontation between he and Maul in which Maul is living ‘outside’ the detection of the Empire as well but they just used that plot on Rebels. They could set the film during the tail-end of the Clone Wars/immediately post ROTS but I don’t know if with the current OT nostalgia that is going on that they’d want to do that. I think they’d much rather bring Ewan closer to the OT era.

Anyways, like I said…I’d love for one of the next spin-offs to be an Ewan/Obi-Wan film but I just don’t know what story could support a 2 hour film.

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#1058271
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Call me ignorant, but what does it actually mean to re-render CG? I assumed it was ‘drawn’ at whatever resolution and that was it.

The ‘skin’ you build over the ‘frame’ of the models using higher resolution graphics, I would imagine.

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#1058240
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - FanEdit Ideas <strong><em>SPOILERS</em></strong>
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I say all of this without having seen the film in 3 months but:

Those that said to start the film with the Death Star completion are brilliant. That’s the ominous, space visual that ‘feels’ like Star Wars. I still think the opening scenes establishing Jyn, her father and Saw aren’t needed. That is what the crawl is for. I don’t need to see the shot of Obi-Wan dropping Luke off at the Lars Homestead to make ANH work.

If you want to include any of that scene, use it the same way it was done with Anakin’s foreshadowing in EPIII. Have small snippets of blurred dream effect(her mother giving her the necklace, her mother being shot by Krennic, Jyn screaming) and then have Jyn wakeup with the fading sound of her father calling her ‘Stardust’.

I would put a lot of the exposition of the Erso story that is in the first act in the crawl, as well.
----Crawl----
ROGUE ONE

A galaxy in terror! The GALACTIC EMPIRE’s grip
on the galaxy has never been tighter. Those who
stand opposed to their tyranny, the REBEL ALLIANCE,
have learned the EMPIRE has developed a new super weapon
under the guidance of scientist GALEN ERSO.

In a race against time, the REBELLION must find ERSO’s
lost daughter in hopes she has information on his work.
Following the murder of her mother by DIRECTOR KRENNIC,
the young ERSO was raised by the extremist SAW GUERRERA.

The REBELLION has sent their best spy to track her down
to reunite her with GUERRERA and her father as she may
be their LAST HOPE…

Keep in mind that we don’t see Luke in ANH until after Leia has been established (with Vader) and the droids have been on their voyage. I would remove all planet title cards and then place things in this order (as best I can remember now):

Crawl
Pan into shot of Death Star completion
Initial scene with Tarkin/Krennic
Cassian and the spy scene
Bodhi surrendering to Saw’s men
Jyn’s dream (short) with her waking up in prison
Film continues on pretty much as originally filmed

That should clean up the pacing and make the first act feel more traditional Star Wars.

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#1057334
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STAR WARS: REBELS - New animated series
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Obi Wan clearly states that the Holicrons weren’t doing what you say they were, Maul was manipulating the to do that. He had been manipulating Ezra for one reason this entire time: find Kenobi.

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#1057084
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STAR WARS: REBELS - New animated series
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I do think this was a great episode that didn’t step all over ANH.

I also hope all those deleted scenes they spoke about are put on the Blu-Ray. I’d love to see this as an hour long episode, even if it is just Ezra.

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#1056410
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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NFBisms said:

The sunset meeting between the loyalists and Palpatine is in, and is good for tying up that barely subplot, as well as introducing tension between Anakin and Padme. Palpatine doesn’t tell Anakin how he feels at the end of the scene, though: “There’s much conflict in you” is gone. Better left unsaid, and have Palpatine be more subtle. Anakin is an adult, he feels his own emotions, thank you.

Speaking of this scene, I’ve noticed over the years that people forget to re-score this scene since it was missing any score until the Loyalist leave the room. I did a quick re-score and edit on it that uses the Emperor’s theme subtly and then coming in full effect when Padme questions Palpatine but I have nowhere to upload it to show you what I mean.

I like this scene after you cut out Palpatine trying to be ‘sly’ with Anakin about how to handle them. It is at a point where Palpatine and Anakin trust each other, making it appear as if Palpatine is confiding in him about his distrust of the senators works better and shows the shift is already in full effect.

Anyways, my point being…this being a deleted scene, it is often left with the very quiet background noise and the very loud rustling of people’s clothes and footsteps.

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#1056339
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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NFBisms said:

This is me once again taking longer to do this edit than it should - I’m still tweaking things as I go along and realizing I want to change things. xP

I completely understand. I just watched the original version of ROTS tonight and found more than a few places where I thought “I wonder how different the scene would be if you just rearranged the order of the dialogue?”

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#1056096
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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NFBisms said:

  • I’m going back and forth between keeping in “…to DEMOCRACY!” It really shows Obi Wan being angry. Like angrier than he was in the previous yelps. But it’s weird that it’s about democracy vs fascism, which doesn’t thematically fit with the idea that the duel is more personal than it is about anything else. But the emotion is there and it’s not like one line can’t be justified by Obi Wan just being frustrated and yelling whatever. Idk, without it, especially since I got rid of Anakin’s villain-y taunts (“you will try…”), Obi Wan igniting his saber first is… off. He doesn’t seem too scared or angry, just disappointed. Disappointed Obi Wan doesn’t feel as personal as I want it to be I guess. It feels a lot like he’s fighting Anakin out of just duty, akin to how it is in the original cut. I want both parties to be passionate and angry dammit LOL.

It is a shame you can’t replace the line with “THE ORDER” or “THE FORCE”. That would make some sense in that Anakin has helped destroy the Jedi Order or is betraying his training as a Jedi.

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#1056081
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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ray_afraid said:

I have a feeling that the lava planet was added later and the original idea was that Vader was on a Stardestroyer. I don’t have much to base that on, so I could very well be wrong.
It would have been nice if he was on his big Destroyer from ESB. I know some would complain that it would ruin that ships reveal in ESB, but I see this film as a bonus story to the OT, not something to watch before it.

That’s fine, but it is still a scene that was shot with finished effects. That’s the point of the bonus footage scenes on releases. One of the ways it WOULDN’T have been is if Vader and Krennic had been having this encounter in front of Tarkin.

If they don’t want to have deleted/alternate scenes, that is disappointing but is ultimately their choice. I just have a heard time believing that what we saw in the film were the only scenes shot. Like, for example, the changing hairstyles of Saw Guerrera.

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#1056061
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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So, the shot of Vader and Krennic talking on the Death Star/A Star Destroyer is just a ‘thread’ and not an actual scene? That doesn’t even make sense to me. You never see Darth Vader on any Imperial station, so unless that scene was Mustafar and the CGI background was simply replaced, he isn’t telling the entire truth.

In the trailer, you see Vader standing in front of a readout screen and then Krennic speaking more confidently to him about the ‘power’ of the weapon. If this was an alternate take of the meeting on Mustafar, that’s fine. But that is still a deleted scene (or at least an alternate take). I want to see that shot. It had finished effects.

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#1055777
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STAR WARS: REBELS - New animated series
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Some people will say this was just a filler episode but I loved it. Very funny and good use of the droids.

Wish Saturday’s episode was going to be an hour. This Kenobi episode is my most anticipated, even more than Vader.

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#1055362
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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In ROTJ, Leia is captured by the ewoks while wearing her assault garb.

When Han and Luke arrive to be eaten, she is wearing a medieval gown.

Did the Ewoks happen to have one that fit her? Do you think she had just accepted that this was her life now? Her lover and that other guy she kissed are still in the woods being chased by the Empire on their way to destroy a planet killing weapon and she has gone through a wardrobe change. Do you think she intended to take a native lover and live as one of them until Han/Luke showed up?

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#1054580
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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SilverWook said:

IP55 said:

SwissArmyTin said:

IP55 said:

DominicCobb said:

IP55 said:

The fact that this forum was seemingly made to get the Out
re released on a decent format reaffirms for me that there will only ever be 3, true star wars films. The rest are ‘cover’ versions.

that all the other films never happened.

If only this was true. I think any classic film(s) should be protected. I’d hate to see another Godfather for example. I’m dreading Blade Runner 2!

“Protected” from sequels? Ehhhh…I will argue that films should be preserved, regardless of quality. Ex., the prequels’ original cuts, hell I’d even defend shit like the Super Mario Bros Movie (which I’m still waiting for a region-free bluray of).

However, sequels/remakes should be fair game. It’s up to the filmmakers whether it’s good or not, if it is, well no complaints here. If it’s bad…just let it fade out of existence like most shit films. For instance, the Ghostbusters reboot. If all that hate boner-ism wasn’t built up around it, it would’ve came and gone, the only impression left being Ecto Cooler and an awful Rotten Tomatoes score. Oh wait, that’s already happening. So much for all that time, energy, and vitriol all it’s detractors poured into it.

So remaking Psycho, shot for shot is okay? Copies of masterpiece paintings are called fakes! Is film not art?

Is remaking The Maltese Falcon okay? 😉

Well, it is the stuff dreams are made of.

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#1054466
Topic
what is the real blue color of the lightsabers cyan or dark blue?
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The truth is probably that there is no ‘true’ color because the rotoscoping in the OT was not very good (especially ANH). Whatever color it is ‘supposed to be’ is probably whatever it was in the PT or TFA.

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about all the updates of the OT over the years. If you are going to go to all the effort of adding to/changing the films, erase the old rotoscoping and fix it proper!

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#1053822
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George Lucas's worst decision
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Alderaan said:

Hardcore Legend said:
Are you lumping ROTJ int the PT? Because otherwise, your view of the character does not fit.

ROTJ is different because it’s Luke’s story, not Anakin’s.

Even if Vader is a monster, we can feel happy for Luke. If he thinks there is a little good left in his father and he can bring it out, then OK Luke we’re rooting for you. But we’re not happy for Anakin at the end of the movie–we’re happy for Luke.

But Vader is clearly the lapdog of others from the beginning. He answers to Tarkin, he answers to Palpatine.

I understand what you are saying, as far as Anakin’s sins weighing on him and causing him to commit more to ‘fix’ it, as in Macbeth. But that doesn’t fit Vader’s character because at no point in the OT is he really in charge of anything. He goes where he is told and the one time he ventures out on his own (chasing the Falcon), he scurries out of the asteroid field to answer the Emperor’s call.

Even Obi-Wan’s reminiscing of Anakin to Luke is made to be sympathetic.

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#1053820
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George Lucas's worst decision
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Alderaan said:

Anakin’s story shouldn’t have been a soap opera. It should have been more like Macbeth. He becomes corrupted by power. Instead you can tell Lucas has a perverse understanding of the world, or came to develop one, since he made Anakin’s perceived feebleness his weakness, whereas he should have been undone by his own strength.

The entire prequel trilogy is whiny and childish because it represents a whiny and childish view of the world: that even bad people are good, and there are plenty of excuses that justify or explain their actions. And then comes the Saga, where all you have to do is save your son’s life and you’re suddenly forgiven for all of your sins.

The prequels are an abomination because they are nothing more than a 3-movie long excuse for why a really evil person wasn’t so bad after all.

Are you lumping ROTJ int the PT? Because otherwise, your view of the character does not fit.

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#1053814
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George Lucas's worst decision
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TV’s Frink said:

I believe the original script had Anakin suspecting a Padme and Obi affair more explicitly. There’s still hints of it in the final film.

I think you’re right. I feel like it would have made Anakin choking his pregnant wife and trying to kill his best friend make much more sense than standing for ‘security in the new empire’.

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#1053808
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George Lucas's worst decision
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His worst decision was not completely breaking Anakin Skywalker.

He should have killed Padme earlier in the third film. He should have kept the children a secret from Anakin. He should have had Padme turn to Obi Wan for help, thus leading Anakin to suspect Padme and Obi Wan were having an affair. Anakin should have been the one following Obi Wan, leading to the duel happening earlier. Anakin in his rage still believes he kills Padme, Obi Wan still cuts Anakin to pieces. Emperor still builds Vader.

Anakin becomes Vader, Obi Wan is off caring for Padme/hiding the twins. She still dies in child birth from the injuries (not broken heart) while Darth Vader returns to Coruscant broken and filed with rage. Under the Emperor’s direction, he begins to wipe out the Jedi.

He had a lot of the right pieces for the PT, he just flubbed the order to put them in. He boxed himself in by wanting the story to be about Anakin, not Vader.

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#1053805
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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TV’s Frink said:

Hardcore Legend said:

For Disney, the idea of ‘everything matters’ outweighs restoring the OT to it’s original release cut. Disney wants everything to ‘fit’ both stylistically and in effects. I would wager they would be more interested in updating the SE SFX to fit in with Rogue One than from removing the SE changes. In fact, I bet they have a higher priority on making changes to the PT than working on a OUT. The SE is the canon they operate around now.

What’s your basis for this line of thinking?

Because Disney has updated their own properties in the past and made that the official version.

The heavy focus right now on the story period leading up to ANH, with everything in the universe controlled by the ‘story group’ makes me believe that it is more about blending everything together rather than restoring the film to its original cut.

I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong in the sense that they release an archival version of the OT to show the film as it was in 1977. But I just feel like blending their universe (which on TV and film is becoming more interconnected every year) is more of a priority.

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