Handman

chyron8472 said:

Now if you would kindly shut up, that would be appreciated.

I thought you came here to hear what other people are saying.

SilverWook said:

I think a female doctor might have been a tougher sell in 1982 when Baker left the show.

I’m fairly certain it was a possibility tossed around back then too. Eh, wrong Baker.

The internet is not a reliable place to discern the reaction of the masses.

I’m just glad Moffat won’t be writing her dialogue. He’d try to make it funny and half the time she’d be saying “Look, I’m a woman now!”. Just let it happen and write good stories again.

Possessed said:

Lol there’s been songs about that since at LEAST the 70s, the language was just more subtle.

How about 1950?

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

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Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

I asked for examples. Fuck off.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

Being belligerent isn’t exactly the most inviting behavior for a reasoned discussion.

You’re only serving to prove my thesis that white dudes retreat back to their bubbles and overreact when their views are challenged.

But you haven’t challenged anything. I asked for more and you retreated. You did nothing but show condescending behavior, which rightly pissed me off. Nothing you have said is substantial in any way other than to put yourself on a pedestal.

I have not called you out. I was not talking about you specifically or really about anyone specifically here. I was speaking generally, though this tends to be the issue. It is not hard to parse generalized statements. That’s why the phrase “not all men” is such an eye roller. Though the fact that you responded in the way you did does tell me I hit a nerve.

I have not used any of the words you claim I did. Nowhere did I call anyone “evil,” despite what your quotation marks would suggest. Nowhere did I “condemn a group for being awful.” Nowhere did I call anyone an asshole (though your behavior is testing my patience in that regard). Nowhere did I say people like you are the problem (just that you can be a part of it to an extent if you aren’t willing to listen).

This goes back to why I shut down before with Warbler and mfm. If you guys are going to twist my words and make me into some sort of self righteous justice warrior condemning all the white men in the thread for being evil, I don’t know how I can reason with you. I don’t try to be condescending but it’s hard not to when you’re acting like children. If you can’t actually interact with the actual words I’m using, then I don’t entirely believe we’re on the same level to have an intelligent discussion.

Again, I don’t want to be condescending, but please read the post I made that set you off again:

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

If this posts sounds patronizing then I apologize, my aim was more to be clinical. I’m not attacking you or anyone else personally, in fact right off the bat I put the blame on culture and/or human nature. People don’t like being wrong. I’m the same way. When people have their worldview challenged, they bristle and retreat. I was the same way at first. All my point ever was in that post was to say the next step is as simple as being able to listen to views that challenge your own, and investigate experiences that differ from your own. It’s so easy to find examples online. So easy. I can sit here and google and show you all of them. But that’s not going to make a difference if you’re not willing to listen (and let me be clear, your attitude thus far tells me you clearly are not). If you’re actually interested in finding examples, you can seek them out yourself. If not, feel free to go about your business, as I said.

This is what I was asking for in my initial post, further explanation, and I’m glad you took the time to do so. I didn’t mean to be so abrasive but when I was given a requote it just set me off. So, sorry about that. I don’t wish to continue to fight about it and hope we can find some more common ground in the future. My objection was more to the tone and the way you were expressing your ideas rather than to any specific idea presented.

Catbus is wise.

yhwx said:

DominicCobb said:

You’re only serving to prove my thesis that white dudes retreat back to their bubbles and overreact when their views are challenged.

Knock it off.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

I asked for examples. Fuck off.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

Being belligerent isn’t exactly the most inviting behavior for a reasoned discussion.

You’re only serving to prove my thesis that white dudes retreat back to their bubbles and overreact when their views are challenged.

But you haven’t challenged anything. I asked for more and you retreated. You did nothing but show condescending behavior, which rightly pissed me off. Nothing you have said is substantial in any way other than to put yourself on a pedestal.

yhwx said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

I asked for examples. Fuck off.

Handman said:

You say all the same shit over and over again, and believe yourself to be so right that you can’t even explain your position. So there’s a problem. I didn’t deny that. What is it? What do we do about it? Evidently TRYING TO UNDERSTAND and not blindly accepting whatever you say as gospel makes me an asshole. So I give up. I tried to have a discussion, but you continue to deny to have one because you believe I’m “plugging my ears and going la la la” simply for asking for more from you. But you haven’t said anything of substance other than there’s a problem and white men are the root of it. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT? If there’s nothing that can be done, there’s no use talking about it. Goddamn.

Overreaction much?

Perhaps, but I loathe unnecessary condescension, and this thread is full of it. There’s no point in having a discussion if no one is willing to have one.

You say all the same shit over and over again, and believe yourself to be so right that you can’t even explain your position. So there’s a problem. I didn’t deny that. What is it? What do we do about it? Evidently TRYING TO UNDERSTAND and not blindly accepting whatever you say as gospel makes me an asshole. So I give up. I tried to have a discussion, but you continue to deny to have one because you believe I’m “plugging my ears and going la la la” simply for asking for more from you. But you haven’t said anything of substance other than there’s a problem and white men are the root of it. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT? If there’s nothing that can be done, there’s no use talking about it. Goddamn.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

I asked for examples. Fuck off.

DominicCobb said:

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

DominicCobb said:

The sooner people in general can accept that they may have blindspots the better. I don’t know if it’s culture or human nature or a combination of both but people (in particular white men) don’t seem to either want to admit to being part of a problem or acknowledging a problem that doesn’t affect them and that they can’t see in their daily life. Basically, people don’t like being wrong. (I can sympathize.)

The truth is, if you’re a white man (as I am), you don’t experience institutional racism/sexism. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can either accept this fact and look outside of your own bubble for evidence as to where and how and why and to what extent, or you can retreat back and proclaim that white privilege can’t possibly exist and that anyone complaining about problems that you don’t personally experience are just making things up.

If you want to be more understanding of the world around you and more empathetic towards your fellow humans, you can seek out the information. Otherwise, you can continue about your business - it won’t affect you any, obviously, but just know that to some extent you will be part of the problem.

Do you always have to be so self-righteous? Condemning a group for being awful and that they have no problems won’t win any of their suppport, this is partly why the Clinton campaign did not do as well as it should have. Instead of saying “You’re evil” or whatever, provide examples of what is wrong, like Catbus did, and what we can do to solve it. It would be a lot less frustrating and a lot more productive.

La Grand Illusion (1937) – Pretty great. Not perfect, but very enjoyable, essentially inventing a genre while presenting some interesting ideas far ahead of their time.

Could always be better. And you?

Goddamn it, I was down to one person I could open up to, and now I’m down to zero.

I need new friends too. I have nothing in common with them. Problem is I’m stuck in a situation where I kind of can’t meet anybody who is a bit more relatable. So, I guess this forum will suffice.

Yes.

This is ongoing.

DominicCobb said:

It’s funny that progressives are always called the “snowflakes.”

Trying to find understanding comes from both sides. When you whine and stomp your foot and you intentionally miss my point, you’re not pulling your weight in this conversation (and that’s what it should be - not a debate).

If you’re responding to me, I haven’t done anything. If asking for further explanation is too much then you can hardly claim any moral high ground.

moviefreakedmind said:

Bingowings said:
4. Keep in Touch. At the moment you don’t feel enthusiastic about anything but as an exercise contacting people who you have any kind of friendly relations or past with can have a genuinely positive effect.

All of your points for Mike O are great, but I wanted to comment on this specifically because it’s something that is offered as advice in a lot of scenarios and people have told me this a lot and I just don’t get it. I think it’s probably a feeling somewhat unique to me, but people just disgust me. Being within twenty feet of anyone other than a few exceptions makes me want to scream. I’m not a sociopath at all, I’m actually extremely empathetic almost to a fault in that I obsess over how I can go about doing things without harming or inconveniencing anyone, plus I get furious whenever I hear about people getting mistreated. The really funny thing, though, is that I get quite lonely, but it only takes a single interaction with one of my so-called “friends” (which never fails to remind me of why they sicken me and why I never want to see them again) to realize that the only experience worse than overwhelming loneliness is talking to fucking people. Like I said, I’m generally alone in this opinion, but it’s something that I see all the time as a supposed ingredient for happiness and I can’t even imagine having a circle of people that I would enjoy meeting with regularly. Sorry to derail the thread.

+1. I’ve spent my whole summer reevaluating my relations to the people I know and am considerably disappointed at how hollow it all is.

Then try harder.

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies.

Sougouk said:

Handman said:

Amarcord (1973) – I am absolutely certain I did not understand everything going on here.

It’s a Fellini movie, some of it is not easy to understand.

That is exactly why I’m sure I did not understand everything.

The Southerner – Americana written and directed by a French man.

I’m a Liberal, but according to your results, that makes me pretty conservative.