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About the 4K question: There won’t be 4K versions. I don’t own anything capable of 4K playback, and there are plenty of 1080p and lower resolution source material used across the saga of fan edits.
I made it subtler, yes.
Actually is worded “Final lesson,” but yes.
FWIW, I feel that having Kylo Ren shoot down her on-screen memories of her parents acting nobly doesn’t work. In movie parlance, I gotta take those as real. I’d suggest allowing the retcon to be that in TLJ Kylo Ren was basically correct in reporting that he say her parents as “filthy junk traders,” though was speculating when he said that they “sold you off for drinking money.”
And yeah, I’m pro-kiss as well. It was the least dry thing in the whole movie, and gave Ben his only smile in the films.
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It would if you just had Kylo remembering Han’s words in TFA. You could potentially have Kylo hear both of their voices, like stream of consciousness.
That would serve TLJ the best anyway, Luke occupying his mind “just like [his] father.”
But, the scene serves a purpose already and we have his vision flashback at the start of the film to illustrate this. If we had it be a ghost conversation rather than a set of memories, that’d be different, but the problem there is that it’s undercut Luke’s existing introduction in the movie later (aside from flashbacks).
If it can be audio-only, I’d be okay with trying to make it a separate track. But unless Rey’s mother is biologically hers, I’d think some visual alterations would be necessary.
I feel like this concept of them being surrogate parents deviate too much from canon.
I agree. I hope that there does end up being a Starlight version of TROS from Nev, and I will be very happy to help with it any way that I can. But I don’t think for Ascendant it makes sense to deviate very far from the original story (or, more to the point, plot).
As an audience member I’d have a lot of questions about why they’d be assigned to raise and kill a child, as that phrasing makes it sounds like a single overall assignment.
And I still have a hard time getting over that Rey’s mother looks just like her.
Too bad to make Rey’s mother barren because she looks a great deal like her.
Also, I don’t get the thing about the New Republic busting a trade. Seems superfluous and needlessly confusing.
Nev, that’s a real nice mock-up for using a bit more of the buffalo with the chess game. I’m not entirely sure I’ll want to use it, as I’ve gotten used to the more striking introduction to these characters with, “T minus five!” But your approach adds a nice little callback aspect to the ending.
And JJB, you raise a titillating point about potentially using two audio tracks, with wildly different plotting for the Rey Palpatine stuff. That’s such a bonkers idea, but I’d be open to it. Moreso than using it straight out. It’ll depend on all the necessary audio being realized but if there’s enthusiasm for it, that seems like a safe way to play it. 😃
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This concept seems to make Rey’s father superfluous.
I do like DZ’s wording best so far, for what it’s worth. Again, I’m not sold on this being all-around advisable for this particular project but would still like to see it realized fully if possible.
Glad you pointed that out, Octorox, because you’re right. I am not sure how I missed that, but I’m working on getting that patched up.
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Here’s a stab at it, then. It might be a bridge too far, making her a direct clone. I mean, I get that an opposite-sex clone is possible and Omega from Bad Batch but it might have raised eyebrows in a general audience without addressing it directly.
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"Rey….wherever you are…You are hard to find.
“You are hard to get rid of.”
“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it…I needed you to see it…who you are. YOU ARE A DARK PERSON AT YOUR CORE. Rey…”
“You’re lying.”
“You were right…your parents were no one. The Sith cult preys on desperate people like them.”
“Don’t!”
“Your barren mother, desperate for a child. She saw a child she could claim.”
“I don’t want this!”
“She stole you from the Sith!”
“No!”
“But taking you caught Palpatine’s attention.”
(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)
“My Love…be brave.”
“You’ll be safe here…I promise.”
“Come back! Nooo!”
“They paid for your protection…in more than one way.”
“Stop talking.”
“Rey…I learned what happened to them.”
(Cutaway to heroes capture)
“Your parents wanted to find Luke Skywalker for protection, looking for his allies in the Jakku desert. Until Palpatine’s assassin(s) caught up to them. But they wouldn’t say where you were. So he gave the order.”
(Rey sees her parents get killed.)
“So that’s where you are.”
“You know why the Emperor’s always wanted you dead. I’ll come tell you.”
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“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”
"Because he didn’t need you anymore. Once he returned, his clones were a threat to his power. You’re one of his clones. You are a Palpatine.
"THE ONLY REASON FOR YOUR CREATION WAS TO BE A VESSEL FOR PALPATINE’S SPIRIT ON THE SITH THRONE. BUT WE SHARE AN UNBREAKABLE BOND. TOGETHER WE WILL DESTROY PALPATINE AND use his power to forge something new.
(Removes his helmet)
“You know what you need to do. You know.”
“I know.”
Thanks, JJB. I’ll pour over that later and see what I can work out. I agree with Nev, Kylo and TROS itself is very direct and so this should be too.
And as for the Nobody cut, “that’s not up to me.”
Say, JJB, would you mind replacing your revised lines with ALL CAPS of ultra-direct things you want to convey?
For instances, “You were right…your parents were no one. THEY WANTED A CHILD AND THE SITH CULT WAS AN OPTION.”
I’d like to tool this a bit. Not committing to this direction for Ascendant, but even if we develop it and we don’t use it, I’m sure another project would. It would still be… somewhat friendly to wider canon, hopefully.
All looks pretty cool. Will look forward to congratulating you on its completion!
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Locked in for good. For my own well-being, in part.
I wouldn’t want to include those bits anyway; they fit in their shows but the duel especially wouldn’t be seamless for a few reasons, though I like the scene. I’d rather see it in Kenobi than Ep2.
Sorry I hadn’t responded at the time, but thank you for composing his thoughts about the film, Eddie. It’s wonderful to get such feedback in detail.
It sounds like he felt we improved things all around with no damage, but that in the end it’s still something of a mess. I’m okay with that. He’s right about the dialogue but that can’t really be helped much either.
Not intentional at all. I’ve made a note to look into it. Thanks.
Always exciting, and yes please do report back with his thoughts. Especially if there are any specific points!
I agree. If there was a good way to replace Poe’s (spoken onscreen with clear lip movements) to something other than, “I don’t know why they aren’t following us but I don’t trust it,” I would happily do so for exactly those reasons, JJB.
By the time the lightspeed skipping sequence ends, the movie has already announced itself to be an annoyingly-paced experience right off the bat. Can’t argue opinions, but mine is that the film is stronger without it, even logic reasons excused.