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#1092173
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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Anyone heard about the abruptly discontinued blog by J.W. Rinzler called ‘The Rise and Fall of Star Wars’?

The last blog entry dealt with some of the actors concerns towards the Prequels:

Back on set, whenever George asked Jimmy Smits (Bail Organa) to modify his performance or alter an action, Smits would reply, “Yes, sir.” Often when George asked Christensen or McGregor, they would reply, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”
They weren’t disrespectful, but they weren’t necessarily buying it either. They were going along with it.
Back on the Original Trilogy, Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker), Harrison Ford (Han Solo), and Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) had understood instinctively where Lucas was coming from, though he was famously uncommunicative. It was nothing personal. As many know, “Faster” and/or “More intense,” was what Lucas often requested of his actors.
Part of his general reticence on any set was due to the fact that he simply didn’t want to be there. Lucas had told Roger Christian back in 1976, set decorator on Star Wars, that each day he woke up with a metaphorical sack of large stones on his back and spent the day struggling to remove them, painfully, one by one. On set for Episode III, I overheard George asking himself one morning, “Why am I putting myself through this again?”
In 1978, three crewmembers got into a post-film analysis of their ex-boss, concluding that he took too much on himself and stressed himself out unnecessarily. They also thought he often put his trust in the wrong people. I’ve read similar complaints about similar visionaries. Evidently, when you’re hounded by success, it often becomes difficult to tell who has your best interests at heart, particularly given that many folks may have already told you things that didn’t turn out to be true, or said that something wouldn’t work that did turn out to work, and vice versa, etc., etc. It’s a difficult position to be in.
Despite his directorial shorthand and his on-set suffering, Lucas, Ford, Fisher, and Hamill worked well together on the Original Trilogy and remained friends afterward. Lucas seemed particularly close with Fisher.
It didn’t help that Portman and McGregor had been wounded by negative reviews of the first two prequels, making this last one harder for them. In fact when I was given the greenlight to talk to McGregor on set, I went over to introduce myself and before I’d said two words, he shouted in a loud and annoyed voice, “Well, I’ll just let you know then!”
It was a tad awkward. Crew would tell me that on Episode I McGregor had been enthusiastic and kind, helping to move chairs for the next setup. But he’d changed. Rick told me that the actor was frustrated, and on an “emotional rollercoaster.”
He and Portman were never ready to be interviewed (instead I relied on EPKs).”

J. W. Rinzler altered his article, which now says: “It didn’t help that Portman and McGregor may have been wounded by negative reviews of the first two prequels, making this last one harder for them.”

He removed the anecdotes about McGregor’s behavior, and softened another part where he describes Christensen expressing his lack of understanding of Lucas’ vision of Anakin at one point.

Source: https://naboonews.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/natalie-portman-and-ewan-mcgregor-were-reportedly-wounded-by-episodes-i-and-ii-reviews/

So, who stopped Rinzler blogging about those interesting Prequel BTS conditions? Kathleen Kennedy or maybe Lucas himself? Apparently Rinzlers blog was supposed to end with the production conditions surrounding TFA.

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#1091070
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The problem of Owen Lars
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rodneyfaile said:

The Problem of Owen Lars would be a great book title.

Or … screw that rumored Obi-Wan Spin-Off … and make this instead:

The Problem of Owen Lars: A Star Wars Story 😉

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#1088797
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40 at 40: Interviews from the 40th anniversary reunion on May 27th, 2017
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Thanks for sharing Adywan! Never saw/heard Marcia Lucas speaking for herself. She is truly amazing. Her saying about her ex-husband sounds fair & polite. Lucas on the contrary is always very embittered when he talks about the divorce together with almost preventing to mention any Marcia-related contribution to Star Wars (she’s barely mentioned in the ‘Empire of Dreams’ documentary for example). Subtly she also debunked the myth Lucas had to raise Amanda alone. She had a 50% time share of her daughter, and raised her with George, even though they were divorced.

Just a question: is it possible to merge this thread with Tobars thread…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-40th-Reunion/id/55181/page/1

…so that we can keep the 40th Reunion stuff together?

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#1087130
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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canofhumdingers said:

[…] I was actually softening a little in my heart on my stance against the prequels. I was even vaguely considering watching them again at some point.

Oh boy, the “giving-the-Prequels-one-more-chance” thing. That comes in my mind from time to time too. I have not seen the Prequels for quite a while now in order to forget them as good as possible. But on the other hand, i’m saying to myself: Hey, they can’t be that bad? Let’s rewatch them completely open-minded. I did this two times in the past … but those movies are not getting better

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#1086700
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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TV’s Frink said:

I will never understand the attitude that a new movie can ruin an older movie.

I experienced this issue with the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Hobbit trilogy. For example, in ‘Fellowship of the Ring’ Saruman says to Gandalf:

You know of what I speak, Gandalf: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame.

This sentence (and the scene) was perfectly fine before i saw the Hobbit trilogy.

Then in ‘Desolation of Smaug’, Gandalf sees Sauron when he changes his appearance to the lidless, fiery eye. That sentence in ‘Fellowship’ is now (retcon-wise) a backward reference to the scene in ‘Desolation’. Everytime i see now ‘Fellowship of the Ring’ (my favourite LOTR movie btw), i will be remembered that there is this other ‘mediocre’ Middleearth trilogy i don’t really like. It doesn’t ruin ‘Fellowship’, but it annoys me being reminded about the Hobbit trilogy in that scene.

I fear something could happen when i see the Han Solo movie. What will happen to my memories about to Han’s and Landos first meeting in ESB? Can i still enjoy the scene in Cloud City or will i be reminded about stupid stuff from the Han Solo movie? You know, we will see how Lando will lose the Falcon fair & square to Han or something like that. I don’t want to know how that happened.

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#1086665
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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SilverWook said:

I suspect all the disinterested parties will watch the trailers anyway. 😉

I will try to avoid this movie as hard as i can. I can’t allow that my fond memories of Han Solo will be “enhanced” with this unnecessary prequel movie.

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#1086464
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Tobar said:

Do you have a source for this eight year thing?

Hm, i’m sure i read somewhere that it would be an eight year gap between Vol.2 & Vol.3, but unfortunately i cannot find the source now.

James Gunn confirms on his twitter Account that Vol.3 takes place after Avengers 3&4:
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/859481902868185088

Comingsoon.net hints in one of his articles that Vol.3 takes place years after Vol.2 (second article, scroll down): http://www.comingsoon.net/movie/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3

But maybe i confused some infos due to this article, where Kevin Feige mentioned that between Vol.2 & Infinity War will be a four year gap:
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1650709/why-the-guardians-will-be-different-when-introduced-in-avengers-infinity-war-according-to-kevin-feige

If so, i’m sorry.

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#1086434
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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Tobar said:

Haarspalter said:

And that’s the reason why the GOTG movies stick out of the MCU - they work very good on their own without the necessity of watching/knowing the other ‘standard’ MCU superhero movies. I dare you, try to watch Captain America 3: Civil War without knowing the precursor movies. James Gunn is aware of that. Is it a coincidence that the third GOTG movie is supposed to take place approximately eight years after the Infinity War? Guess not - Gunn wants to keep the GOTG to be detached to a certain point of view within the MCU.

Let’s examine this shall we?

I dare you, try to watch Captain America 3: Civil War without knowing the precursor movies.

It’s the third Captain America film.

No, it’s not. It is basically The Avengers 2.5: The Apology for Age of Ultron. It wouldn’t be that much of a problem, if the movie would feature just Cap as the main character, hence the title CAPTAIN AMERICA. But it doesn’t - the movie acts like an Avengers movie due to the ensemble characters … too many ensemble characters. Even you stick just the Cap movies, with Civil War the viewers face serious problems to follow/understand what’s going on. The gap between Winter Soldier and Civil War is too big because of the interconnected incidents of other MCU movies.

If Gunn is trying to avoid the repercussions of his heroes mingling with the greater MCU then why didn’t he set Vol. 3 before Infinity War?

My guess is, Gunn sets GOTG3 eight years after Infinity War, because the incidents of that movie will be probably be dealt with - mentally & personally for the GOTG ensemble. Gunn won’t have to make to make a big deal out of it. Maybe the GOTG characters will mention the Infinity War in one or two scences. The most important thing: with the eight year time gap, Infinity War is out of the way and Gunn can focus on the third story he wants to tell for the GOTG ensemble. And mark my words: none of the Avengers guys will have a supporting role or impact in that movie.

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#1085770
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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SilverWook said:

I think we’ll get a restored OOT on Blu Ray before we ever get a true unvarnished account of what went on behind the scenes on this film.

And Guardians Of The Galaxy is the exception to any perceived Marvel “formula”. If anything, it’s success allowed James Gunn more freedom with the sequel.

And that’s the reason why the GOTG movies stick out of the MCU - they work very good on their own without the necessity of watching/knowing the other ‘standard’ MCU superhero movies. I dare you, try to watch Captain America 3: Civil War without knowing the precursor movies. James Gunn is aware of that. Is it a coincidence that the third GOTG movie is supposed to take place approximately eight years after the Infinity War? Guess not - Gunn wants to keep the GOTG to be detached to a certain point of view within the MCU.

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#1085219
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Insert SE alterations into other movies
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darth_ender said:

MisterRey said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

In “The Blues Brothers”, replace the “Rawhide” performance in the roadhouse with “Jedi Rocks.”

Replace “Anything Goes” from “Temple of Doom” with “Jedi Rocks.”

And replace Kate Capshaw with Sy Snoodles throughout the entirety of the movie.

In addition replace Short Round with J’ywz’gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et’nrmdndlcvtbrx throughout the entirety of the movie.

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