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#1147942
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

I still disagree, and I believe it goes against the ultimate theme behind TLJ which felt original enough; you don’t need to be related to some hero in order to be great. The new trilogy ending on Rey and whomever she hooks up with (if that’s even going to be a thing) kinda implies the hope of the galaxy to remain peaceful is going to because she had a child or children to ensure that. Instead, what I think they’re going for is that you simply need to inspire a new generation. That’s why there’s that shot of the broom kid at the end; the fate of the galaxy can now rest in the hands of the many, instead of the few. If you want, Rey forging a new Jedi Order can be that metaphorical birth of a child, and I’d say that’s way more powerful thematically than repeating a la twin siblings being the main heroes for future generations. It’s time for the galaxy at large to feel as though they matter and not have to rely on established heroes to save them. They can rise up and make difference, just as Rey did, having no ties to anyone special, and believing in a cause.

Just my take of course.

This makes sense. OK, so instead of having Rey’s child as the protagonist, Rey’s child would be more of a side character the same way Kylo is one.

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#1147919
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

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#1147896
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

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#1147861
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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I’m removing my previous posts and posting them here for sake of not spoiling anyone.

Can somebody help flesh out this FAN TREATMENT with me?

Star Wars Episode IX: Fall of the First Order

There is a time jump that allows the Rebellion to be built (so that the movie can start with war instead of something as boring as rebuilding and so, while still being a tense underdog battle, the heroes can win) and the New Jedi to be trained (so we can explore the New Jedi relationships with one another while still having adult actors). A romance between Rey and Ben begins through continued contact through the Force. Rey finds her parents.

Finn has a romance with Rose and encounters DJ. It is revealed to Poe that he killed Finn’s friend, the death that made Finn rebel from the First Order (watch TFA again, it seriously happens). From then on, he becomes much less violent. Ben Solo descends into madness. He begins to think of the First Order as something of the past, so he destroys it, killing Hux and the Knights of Ren. Out of the ashes of the First Order, he builds the weaker and incomplete Second Order and trains a new breed of dark side users, the Aryans.

Ben, because of Rey’s love for him, turns to the light side, but the Aryans turn on him. The New Jedi (including Rey and Ben) battle the Aryans and win. At the end of the movie, the war against Kylo Ren ends, the Republic is rebuilt, and finally, Rey and Ben have a child (to be the protagonist of Episode X). I have a problem: my treatment doesn’t tie the trilogies together.

EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

EDIT: It is revealed that the events involving the Jedi and Force of the sequel trilogy have all been the balancing of the Force as told by the Chosen One prophecy. The Jedi died so that they could be reborn as the new balanced Jedi, and then that so that new Jedi could vanquish the remnants of the unbalanced darker sides.

In Episode X/10, the enemies are not of the dark side but rather simply evil.

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#1132805
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Must-haves for a Prequels rewrite?
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Help me out here guys(and nerds reading this thread). I’m working on a prequels rewrite, and I want to know the rules. I’m mainly talking about unresolved stuff from the originals. Anakin needs to become Darth Vader, the Clone Wars need to be shown but what else? If you think there’s something every Episode I should have, throw it at me. Right now, MY IDEA FOR THE PREQUELS HERE is for Darth Vader to be created via torturing Anakin. He gets so messed up by the torture that he needs a suit to survive and also gets brainwashed into becoming evil. This way, Anakin can still be a good person initially, and transition realistically into a true believer of evil.

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