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Fang Zei

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#1109694
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Getting Robert A. Harris to supervise an OOT restoration would eliminate most disagreements about how it should look.

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#1108884
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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ray_afraid said:

Fang Zei said:

After reading the responses to my comment about a I-IX boxset, I think it’s more likely they release the films individually and, at the very least, make each OT movie its own two-disc set.

This probably the only way they’ll get my money. They’ve waited too long and I’m too happy with the fan restorations I’ve got.
I don’t want any version of the SE or PT and I will not buy things I don’t want to get the small part I do want.

It’s more the principle of the thing at this point. The OOT should be officially restored if for no other reason than that it’s part of our cultural heritage. Lucasfilm (and possibly Fox) is the only possessor of higher quality sources like interpositives, separation masters, and the o-neg itself. Therefore, we shouldn’t have to settle for even the best possible fan restoration when it could look and sound even better.

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#1108604
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Disney would never make a statement about it because their statement would be “we’re waiting until we get the rights to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels in 2020 before we do any new release whatsoever that isn’t a repackagaging of the 2011 discs.”

It would be insanely awkward for them to say that, which is why they’ll simply say nothing until they actually are working on something.

After reading the responses to my comment about a I-IX boxset, I think it’s more likely they release the films individually and, at the very least, make each OT movie its own two-disc set. For one thing, the profits from sales of ANH would go straight to Fox and they wouldn’t need to worry about auditing Disney to make sure they’re getting their full amount from sales of a big I-VI or I-IX set.

Of course, I’d love to see the '97 versions included as well, and the theatrical prequels (and the imax cut of AOTC).

I haven’t even brought up the likely possibility that this will be the debut of I-VI on the new 4K UHD format. Now that Disney finally jumped on that Bandwagon last month (Fox was actually the very first studio to announce titles almost two years ago) they might get TFA and RO out on 4k before the holidays and then we’ll see TLJ hit the format in April.

With Indy 5 hitting theaters in July of 2020, I wonder how Paramount will handle the rollout of the first four on UHD. The 2012 blu-ray transfers of Temple and Crusade used the 2008 masters (which showed up as the WoWoW broadcasts around that time), but those were only finished at 2k unless I’m mistaken. Maybe they’ll redo those scans to take advantage of the extra resolution. Raiders was redone yet again with a 6k scan and 4k finish. Crystal Skull was finished at 2k (at least according to imdb), which is too bad but it makes sense considering all the cgi, none of which would’ve been rendered above that resolution.

Close Encounters hits 4k this month, with all three versions on the same disc using seamless branching just like the 2007 release. The OT movies have so many differences once you hit '97 that it would be impossible to branch them onto the same disc, although it might be possible to do that for the '97/'04/'11 versions.

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#1108247
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Star Wars Shadows of the Empire soundtrack
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The music cue heard in TFA when Finn, Rey and BB-8 are running from the stormtroopers on Jakku (and heard again when they’re running back to the Falcon with Han and Chewie) always reminded a lot of the SotE score.

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#1107879
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Something that occurred to me in light of the recent Episode IX release date shift:

A December theatrical release means an April, 2020 dvd/blu/4k release. Disney gets the rights back to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels in May of 2020, and we’re already getting another Indy movie that July (released by Paramount) in addition to God knows how many Marvel movies. That includes Guardians vol 3 which will presumably hit theaters that first weekend in May.

Maybe the powers that be will decide not to release a new Star Wars movie that year. They can’t in December without bumping up against Avatar 2. I could easily see them scheduling Obi-Wan for May of 2021 (we’re already getting a year and a half between movies since Han Solo isn’t budging from May of next year).

I say all of this because I think it’s a distinct possibility 2020 ends up being the “hiatus” year from new Star Wars movies. It only makes sense. I mean, do they really want to be pushing Obi-Wan only a few months after the grand conclusion of the saga? I expect a similar cool-down period for Marvel movies after Avengers 4.

I’m thinking they’ll use September of 2020 as their release window for what will be a big expensive I-IX boxset you’ll have to buy just to get the restored OOT.

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#1107537
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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(Since no one is posting in the thread we created just to talk about this very topic free of spoilers):

I’ve been processing this news since first hearing it via text from my sister yesterday a little before noon. She simply wrote “JJ’s at it again.” I knew what she most likely meant, immediately checked my go-to movie news website for confirmation that he had indeed been hired, and simply replied “nooooo.”

Look, JJ coming back to finish this is probably for the best, all things considered. It’s just disappointing that LFL is going back to the tried and true instead of letting us see another director’s vision of this universe for the first time. Will people remember this as the JJ Abrams Star Wars trilogy even though someone else made the middle one, the same way many people still think George directed the entire OT?

Maybe a better comparison is a tv show where one of the proven directors comes back to helm the finale. We’re already seeing that kind of thing in the Marvel movies, with the Russo brothers handling Avengers 3 and 4. Speaking of which, now that Disney’s pushed Ep9 back to December they needn’t worry about releasing the grand conclusions of their two big franchises in the same month.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d still take this over Trevorrow directing. I can’t help but wonder if Carrie’s absence was something he just didn’t know how to work around.

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#1106039
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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ray_afraid said:

Fang Zei said:

George wanted… to wait until RotS was finished to release the OT on dvd … until he realized fans had waited long enough.

The fans waiting didn’t have anything to do with it. He released it before ROTS to remind people that they actually like Star Wars and drum up a little excitement before they troop off to see the latest POS.

Well, he also realized that.

A third factor is that waiting until after RotS was out (probably so he could package a I-VI “saga” dvd release) would have placed it only a few months before there would be actual hd disc formats on the market. Hilariously, he released the GOUT - laserdisc era transfers - after that.

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#1105905
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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The seven year thing is probably more coincidence than an actual pattern.

George wanted to release the SE in '96 and TPM in '97 until plans changed.

He wanted to wait until RotS was finished to release the OT on dvd … until he realized fans had waited long enough.

As for the timing of the blu-ray, well, there was no new movie release to time it with, just the ongoing clone wars show. They didn’t want to wait forever like they had with the dvd release and probably just said “screw it, now’s as good a time as any.”

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#1105773
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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YodaFan67 said:

Okay, I’m a little late to the party here, so sorry if someone already posted something like this, but…

Why would anyone ever want to direct a star wars movie now? This is the third director they’ve kicked off a project! What director wants to submit himself to micromanaging, intense corporate scrutiny, just to be kicked out when Lucasfilm decides they’ve had enough of you?

JEDIT: Just checked, It’s actually the fourth director they’ve dropped, though two of them were partners.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/09/06/colin-trevorrows-star-wars-sacking-shows-franchise-creative/

Lord and Miller are the only ones they’ve outright fired.

Rogue One may have been touched up by Tony Gilroy, but the movie still has Edwards’ name on it and he seemed fine with the finished product.

We still don’t know the details of Trevorrow’s departure.

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#1105704
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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Getting the director of the second movie to finish off the trilogy would certainly be an interesting move, and it’s happened with several other franchises in recent years. Paul Greengrass with Bourne 2/3 and Matt Reeves with these last two Apes movies both come to mind.

I feel like it almost certainly won’t be JJ. He looked and sounded exhausted by the end of TFA, and IX will have an even more compressed schedule if they really are going to have this in theaters by Memorial Day weekend of 2019. He was going to take a break after Star Trek Into Darkness and spend more time with his family when Kennedy offered him VII. Last I heard, he was going to direct that miniseries of The Nix with Meryl Streep. Checking “direct a Star Wars movie” off his bucket list was probably enough for him.

As for why Trevorrow is leaving, I feel like Book of Henry isn’t the reason. For all we know, this might have been more his decision than Kennedy’s.

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#1102226
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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I think we can put the “contract” theory to bed, once and for all. John Landis said only a couple years ago that George himself told him that “Disney is going to put them out, as they were.” That’s quite an odd thing to make up / joke about, so I think it’s safe to take his word for it.

Less credible is that story from some guy on HTF (or whichever message board it was) about how Disney was going to restore the OOT in time for TFA, and then didn’t because they realized they needed more time to really get it right.

But the 2020 makes perfect sense from a business standpoint. It doesn’t make sense in terms of timing (the ST will be over by then and Ep9 will already be on blu-ray and 4k), but on the other hand that might give them a good release window to hype up and advertise the restoration.

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#1102022
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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In regards to the continued absence of a restored OUT, it is 100% Disney’s fault.

It’s the last remaining bite at the apple / dip in the well / whatever analogy you want to use. Seriously folks, they had to hold off on releasing the deleted scenes until the frickin’ blu-ray instead of including them on the dvd - a format known for including deleted scenes - just so they’d have a selling point other than “the iffy-looking '04 masters of the versions you hate (but will still buy anyway for some reason), now at their full resolution! …Oh, and the prequels too.”

Disney will wait until 2020 when the rights to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels revert fully to Lucasfilm.

To those who say “yeah, but even when 2020 rolls around there’s still no guarantee it will be anything other than the SE in 4k,” I say bullshit.

There’s got to be something to that story John Landis told a couple years ago, right?

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#1100673
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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DrDre said:

nickyd47 said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

So does anyone honestly still think that when the time eventually comes to release the OT on 4k* that Disney won’t include a restored OOT?

I mean, to the layman, do the 2011 blu-rays look that terrible when upscaled on a properly setup and calibrated 4k display? People are going to need a reason to buy these movies yet again other than higher (but not necessarily perceptible) resolution and hdr.

Maybe I’m way underestimating the demand for a 4k hdr SE, but I feel like a lot of fans are worn out from all these changes and would prefer to simply watch these films as they were.

*probably no sooner than 2020 so that Disney can keep the profits from Empire and Jedi all to themselves.

The general population doesn’t care about the changes. A great number of them have never seen anything but the SE. They don’t even know what they’re missing, and their numbers are growing every day.

All Disney would have to do is market the theatrical cuts as all new never before released cuts and those people will have their minds blown

I’m sure many would, but the problem is that releasing the OOT would have to be a labour of love, like Mike Verta has done. Someone within the Lucasfilm/Disney conglomerate with influence needs to champion these classic films, otherwise I don’t see it happening. There’s really not much of a financial incentive to do it. I’m sure a 4K release including the OOT would do somewhat better than one without it, but how much better are we talking about, 10%? That’s nothing compared to the amount of money to be made with the release of the new films each year.

Well, yeah.

Disney needs to want to do this. Not because they’ll make more money off of it, but because it’s the right thing to do.

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#1100354
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Is Disney Physically Allowed To Release The OUT?
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J0E said:

TV’s Frink said:

I can’t wait to see how they physically release the digital version.

But they didn’t with the digital versions so who knows?

They didn’t need to because George never signed away the digital distribution rights for the other five movies. That’s why there was no waiting game for the digital release.

You can’t get ANH on Disney’s digital download platform since they don’t own it, but you can on all the other services like google, amazon, itunes, etc.

They would need to broker a deal with Fox in order to include ANH in a hypothetical new boxset post-2020, but even if they can’t there’s a very simple solution: just release the movies individually.

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#1099721
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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According to the numbers, the new 4k format is growing just as fast, if not faster, than blu-ray was at this point in its lifespan.

That would seem to refute the argument that “not as many people will care about a 4k SE,” but I still think that argument holds water if only because there was already a diminished enthusiasm for these movies when they first hit blu-ray.

The 2011 release made less money in its first week than the 2004 set made in its very first day.

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#1098891
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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rodneyfaile said:

The general public is oblivious to the changes.

What percentage of the “general public” actually cares enough about these movies to go out and buy them on the latest physical format?

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#1098881
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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So does anyone honestly still think that when the time eventually comes to release the OT on 4k* that Disney won’t include a restored OOT?

I mean, to the layman, do the 2011 blu-rays look that terrible when upscaled on a properly setup and calibrated 4k display? People are going to need a reason to buy these movies yet again other than higher (but not necessarily perceptible) resolution and hdr.

Maybe I’m way underestimating the demand for a 4k hdr SE, but I feel like a lot of fans are worn out from all these changes and would prefer to simply watch these films as they were.

*probably no sooner than 2020 so that Disney can keep the profits from Empire and Jedi all to themselves.

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#1096512
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I actually remember seeing the Power Rangers movie in a theater as a ten year old boy when it came out in '95. The movie itself had almost totally left my memory when I randomly caught it in hd on hbo one Saturday morning several months ago. The cgi looks terrible.

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