EddieDean

Extremely impressive and exciting, Acbagel!

Just to justify why I’m suggesting S02E05B for it:

• I prefer to open a season with an episode featuring all the main cast (in this case, Seven Warriors AKA Bounty Hunters).
• The season one finale features Bane, and the season two opening heavily features bounty hunters, and the season two finale has less bounty hunting, so putting it in the middle balances the season a bit more.
• The current S02E06 is a more minor episode heavily featuring only Anakin and Ahsoka, so having a solo Obi-Wan adventure pairs nicely with that.

That said, it’s entirely up to the viewer, and g00b’s placement is completely valid.

Aye, life’s taken me away from editing at the moment. That said, season two doesn’t need any restructuring, it’s literally just eight stitches, perhaps with a little light polish at the transition points, so should be a fairly accessible job if anyone else wanted to give it a crack.

Also the post I just made mentioned that it can be found on line 101.

This edit desperately deserves a glowing review! I’m finally picking this up and only two movies in, but absolutely loving it so far. Common consensus of the show, especially through season three, seems to be that the decision to deviate from the source books has borne out. And I certainly enjoyed season one in its original form for what it was, though found it extremely disjointed, with a lot of character revelations (especially their motivations) often being revealed after their actions. For me, the two movies I’ve seen so far completely remedy this, allowing the available content to be enjoyed in the most digestible manner. It’s a great effort and really well executed, and definitely the way I’d propose a first-time viewer watch this show.

One minor nitpick is that in the first two movies at least, some of the on-screen text (‘X years ago’ and planet names) is inconsistently sized/positioned relative to each other, and in one instance in the first movie some of that text is actually cut off by the new black bars at the bottom of the screen. This didn’t hamper my enjoyment of the content, though.

And one other question: Does season two jump around in time in the same way as season one, or is the original content told in chronological order?

RELEASED - S02E05b - The Hutt Cartel (v2.0)

• RELEASE VERSION.
• Special GUEST episode by g00b!
• This is a BONUS episode that isn’t part of the recommended viewing order (as it’s not vital to the plot of the clone wars) but which will certainly be of interest to fans of Hutt politics and Quinlan Vos, as it’s his only appearance!
• It’s placed early in season 2. I’d put it at s02e05b, and g00b recommends s02e00 (first episode of season 2).
• Comprising the original episode The Hunt for Ziro, with an added (edited) scene from Assassin.
• Running 25 minutes.
• DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me (or g00b) for access.
• Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

By popular request, here’s a little treat - g00b’s created a lovely edit of this episode which uses all the TCW:R conventions (intros, outros, etc) and most importantly fixes the biggest issue with this storyline - the horrible voices! With new alien voices for both Ziro the Hutt and Sy Snootles, not only do we have the removal of that annoyance, but g00b’s taken the opportunity to write far better lines via subtitles. The story is now, frankly, completely watchable, and the best it could possibly be.

The huge upshot of this is that we now get to see Quinlan Vos onscreen, who was always the best part of this episode and much missed in my original edit.

Edits in g00b’s own words:

• Cut Obi-Wan overexplaining calling Quinlin Vos and calling him crazy
• Cut Cody saying the ships coming in from the west
• Cut Voss and Obi-Wan talking about Jabba and potential motives for a break out with a hostage negotiation… don’t need it. We just jump right to Voss’s info
• Cut from Voss mentioning Nal Hutta to their ship taking off.
• Reordered the Hutt council scene with Zero to take place AFTER Obi-Wan and Vos setup that he’s been broken out of prison.
• Completely rewrote the Hutt council scene. Used subs to change the dialogue of all the Huttese. The same basic premise of the episode is kept alive. Ziro has information on the hutt council that could damage them and if he’s kill it’ll be released to their allies who will then forsake the hutts.
• Complely redid Ziro’s voice. His voice is no longer so insufferable you want to turn the episode off AND he now speaks huttese.
• Inserted the footage from the end of s03e07 - with Cad Bane and Jabba. I’m rewriting this scene to have Jabba included to make the twist at the end make more sense.
• Cut Cad Bane saying the item he gave was the floor plans for the senate. Now he’s just finishing some odd job.
• Cut the protocol droids translations completely. Here, Cad Bane can speak Huttese but needs extra help with ancient huttese.
• Cut Bane playing hard to get for some reason…
• Made the Twilek dancer speak huttese to give better control over the scene
• Made Sy Snootles speak huttese - I understand the episode made her talk basic because she was a main character of this episode… but she CAN speak huttese… so why wouldn’t she on Nal Hutta???
• Now that Sy and Ziro both speak Huttese, I used this oppotunity to rewrite the script to better suit the narrative and give more hints towards the contents of the datapad.
• cut Cad Bane taking the job because in this edit he’s already gotten it.
• replace Ziro’s mothers voice so she speaks huttese. Hutts would not speak basic to one another…
• essentially reworked all conversations with Ziro and Sy to make a watchable better narrative.
• cut Sy’s final remarks at the end of the episode.

The new episode can be found on line 101 of the spreadsheet (in the ‘Extra Episodes’ section).

I’m really excited to be able to show off g00b’s excellent work here and consider it a true part of TCW:R.

Ah, nice, that sounds delightful!

Sorry to ask you to repeat yourself - I dug back through the history of this thread but couldn’t find a clear answer - which of your plans did you end up going for for your new Books 5 and 6? What’re the rough plot beats of both? If I remember correctly you’re pulling the BoBF content into Book 6, making Book 5 the start of Mando season 3?

Raditz, I’ve just gone over yours too. I do really like Thunderbolts coming early, as you have it. I might think about the kind of minor edits which might enable some of the better placements.

Yeah, I’d have liked to keep him too, but that plotline’s awful. I tried to keep his fight with Bane, but there wasnt anything else to connect it to. In the end I just had to pay him homage in one of the opening crawls.

Edit: g00b produced a great edit of this episode! Scroll down a bit!

I’ve come back to this again (why?) with a bit of a tightening now we know a lot more. I’m still aiming for eight movies/shows per phase, just because it looks nice in Plex and seems to pace seasons nicely. The eighth film in a phase should be a big one, and the fourth ideally is also fairly big/important, for good pacing of peaks. My focus is really on the core Marvel MCU as those blocks of eight, with stuff like Netflix Defenders, non-MCU Spidey and X-Men, and What if?, kind of living outside this.

The priority is still “Get plotlines which take characters off the board in earlier, and get plotlines which set up more stuff in later” because I think it’s best for cognitive load and flow to have the fewest dangling threads and new characters doing nothing in the background at a time.

But the main changes now are slightly more adherence to the original release order, mostly because as nice as it would be to move stuff like Brave New World and Thunderbolts earlier for closeness to their prequel sources, they require so much stuff to shift. This also helps keep the most content which directly refers to the Snap as early as possible so you feel its effects. There are still a couple of key exceptions to this - most notably Eternals.

One other thing I’ve tried to do is at least keep most related plots as close together as possible, so payoff is close, or multi-movie/show arcs (like Fisk) at least popping up once per phase.

I’ve also decided to move Loki Season One to right after Endgame, because while it’s a plot ‘opener’, it does follow most immediately from Endgame and it permits the moving of some other content earlier too.

But here’s where I’m at right now:

PHASE ONE: TESSERACT - As in original post.
PHASE TWO: ESCALATION - As in original post.
PHASE THREE: DISASSEMBLED - As in original post.

PHASE FOUR: AFTERMATH

• Loki S1 - Immediate consequence of Endgame, sets up unstable Kang-oriented multiverse.
• Spider-Man Far From Home - Aftermath of Tony’s death. Light mention of multiverse.
• Thor: Love and Thunder - Guardians and Thor. Takes Thor off the table.
• Falcon and Winter Soldier - Aftermath of Cap leaving this time period. Now we’ve dealt with the big three. Light touch for Wakanda, which we won’t return to for a while.
• Hawkeye - Aftermath for Hawkeye and Nat’s Death. Reintroduces Yelena.
• Guardians Holiday Special - Christmassy after Hawkeye.
• Ant-Man and Wasp: Quantumania - Aftermath for Ant-family.
• Guardians vol 3 - Conclusion for the Guardians, which deserves coming early.

By this point, we’ve taken a lot off the table and most characters aren’t exactly back in ‘active service’. But we also haven’t had a major global threat.

PHASE FIVE: MULTIVERSE

• Loki S2 - Deals with Kang, sets up a stable multiverse. This is where we can now get weird with it.
• Wandavision - Aftermath for Wanda and Vision (who are more ‘outsider’ Avengers). Bohner as a sort-of Multiverse reference. Takes them off the board for a while. Introduces Monica.
• Shang-Chi - First new main character, but also aftermath for Hulk, Wong, and Captain Marvel (our final ‘outsider’ Avengers) showing they’re mostly off the board. Final evidence that the Avengers aren’t really a thing any more.
• Spider-Man: No Way Home - The multiverse comes to 616. This one starts immediately after the previous Spidey, but then the legal squabbles could take around a year offscreen. Plus we’re not seeing Spidey again for a while so it’s good to pace him out - though this nicely takes him off the board.
• Echo - exactly eight movies/shows after Hawkeye, continuing that thread. Light impact, but good location for it.
• Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness - We travel the Multiverse. Takes Strange and Wanda off the board for now. X-Men featured.
• Ms. Marvel Second new main character, big references back to classic Avengers. Directly into-
• The Marvels First multiversal collision. Payoff for Fury, Monica, Captain Marvel, and Ms. Marvel. Nice overlap of cosmic and multiversal threads, and leaves Monica in an X-Men universe and has Ms. Marvel planning to gather the Young Avengers/Champions who’ve been slowly introduced.

Now we’ve had a full taste of Multiverse, given attention to all our main characters, and started to give attention to the new and what’s coming. Still no major global impact.

PHASE SIX: NEW WORLD ORDER

• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - We see why T’Challa was off the board so long (RIP), and introduce Namor and Riri, and the new state of Wakanda which’ll be relevant Doomsday/Secret Wars.
• Eternals - Placed way later than release (I justify this in-universe as the Tiamat activation being related to a huge baby boom post-blip) because originally it had a huge global impact that remained unacknowledged. Many new characters.
• She-Hulk - Returns to Hulk and Abomination eight movies/shows after their light touch in Shang-Chi. Introduces She-Hulk, and an easter egg mentions Eternals.
• Captain America: Brave New World - Continues the Hulk revival, explicitly acknowledges Eternals, and positions new Cap back at the forefront of the response to global events.
• Daredevil: Born Again - eight movies/shows after Echo, continuing that thread, and firmly reestablishing Daredevil and Punisher after a slow reintroduction after Netflix.
• Agatha All Along - Twelve movies/shows after Agatha’s introduction, and eight after the last Wanda/Billy/Tommy story.
• Ironheart - Following Wakanda Forever, introducing a new very major character and reigniting the Iron Man legacy.
• Thunderbolts - Would have been nice to have earlier but it’s so dependent on other stuff. Takes a lot of C-listers and elevates them to a B-list teamup, and finally deals with the world’s lack of a true Avengers team. Setup for what’s to come.

And now we’ve got all the elements in play to set up Fantastic Four/Spider-Man 4/Defenders/Champions/Doomsday/Secret Wars, with the recent focus mainly being on the new characters.

REMAINDER

• Deadpool and Wolverine - The first movie of Phase Seven, really gives us the first proper collision with the X-Men universe and returns us to Loki’s Void, kicking off further Multiverse focus.
• Werewolf by Night and Moon Knight don’t impact the main story at all, and can end up a little closer to the now-rumoured Marvel Knights arc.
• Secret Invasion - can just be forgotten until it ever gets acknowledged, frankly, and doesn’t need to be before Captain Marvel.

I don’t plan to 😃

Just a note to say I’m rather busy right now so haven’t been able to make much progress on this. I think NFB is particularly busy too. If anyone’s game, feel free to go ahead and produce these edits (and take full credit, naturally) - they’re fairly straightforward stitchings without cutting anything.

Luke rebuilding his Saber for ROTJ is a big one.

I don’t know if that’s quite cinema quality, but it’s far better than I was expecting it to be!

I’d definitely be down for that, Broom.

I’d certainly take a copy of that audio thanks guys!

That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.

Yep, it’s all included. My s03e09 covers the first two Saw Gerrera episodes, and the s03e10 covers the second two.

knights2023 said:

Just Watched the first movie of season 2. it flows brilliantly. I don’t think anything needs to changed. Though i did notice something strange. When the rebels are crawling through the jungle at around the 52 min mark a tie fighter engine can now be heard. this was not in the original version and seems like a strange addition. The Empire would not be patrolling yavin

I’ll check this.

Fath0m said:

Would love link to this !

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First movie is fully uploaded, and movie two just finished rendering.

The second movie, from episodes S02E04-S02E06 runs to 02h23m41s. Like the previous one I’m calling this a draft version but I don’t think there’s anything to fix.

This one doesn’t have any rearranging - NFB found elegant ways to smooth out the audio over the gaps. The only slight negative about this edit is you lose the instance of the radio noise over the Andor logo in episode S02E05 that carries the audience through into the episode - but it’s no great loss at all.

Season two is now in progress.

The first movie is rendering now, coming out at 02h11m22s. That’s episodes S02E01-S02E03, with some sensible reordering designed and executed by NFBisms at the transition points. He’s slid the scene of Cassian in space backwards by a few scenes - so now it’s not immediately following him flying to space, and also not working as an episode opener (cool but now unnecessary), giving us more time away from Andor after he does leave Yavin, and also now backing directly into his radio call with Kleya. It works better than the original this way.

I’ll get that uploaded ASAP - would anyone like a “preview” of it? (I’m pretty certain this will also be the final version of this movie.)

Onwards to movie six, from episodes S02E04-S02E06!

That’s essentially the plan, yeah. NFB said he could help on this one too- we’ll probably end up with a mashup of Hal’s plus NFB’s audio with a few tweaks.

Faelin said:

EddieDean said:

• I might also release two additional versions of two of my movies, for age appropriateness in different directions. The first, for adults, would be the “fuck the empire” version of the last movie of season one. The second, for children and those for whom it would be a step too far, is a version of the first movie of season two which removes any references to the attempted assault on Bix. I don’t want to deny the horrors or reality of sexual assault or its genuine association with authoritarian regimes, but I can understand people not wanting to have to face that in their Star Wars and would like to give them the option.

I like the idea of a version that removes the SA related scenes, but not as a children’s edit, but as an edit that is accessible to people who might find such content to be distressing.
An actual “children’s” edit might be something that makes Andor flow in with Rebels more closely in tone and style, perhaps revoicing mon mothma’s speech to be that as seen in rebels.

This latter idea might be, however something better suited for a different project.

Agreed in principle- Andor’s not ideal for kids either way. Definitely the primary audience would be adults wanting to avoid potentially uncomfortable content. That said, my daughter’s nine, and I reckon she could just about enjoy Andor, but I definitely wouldn’t want that scene in for her.

And yeah, changing Andor to suit kids completely is a far different project, and would probably cut a load, which isn’t really what I’m trying to achieve.