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#104379
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Info: Interesting Video Finds Alternate Return Of The Jedi Dialogue
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Originally posted by: jaymanchu
Also on this special is an interesting interview with Mark Hamill where they confirm 9 movies and Mark talks about how he and Lucas are in discussion of a Mark/Luke's role in the SEQUIL trilogy. Very interesting, this is the only interview I that I know of where someone actually talks about the 3 trilogies, (other than in print, which isn't nearly as reliable)


I just read the three Time magazine articles that came out before the three original films. I would think that Time would be somewhat reliable. Anyways, they make reference to the "three trilogies" all over the place in them. Anyways, pretty neat articles:

Star Wars: The Year's Best Movie - May 30, 1977
The Empire Strikes Back ! - May 19, 1980
Great Galloping Galaxies! - May 23,1983

Use u: 14089470650 p: kaiser@mailinator.com for the login to Time Digital Edition. If that doesn't work, get another from bugmenot.com .
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#104372
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Slightly OT:Betamax tape surgery question...
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Okay, I can't find my widescreen Star Wars betamax bootleg (sans "Episode IV") anymore, but I do have a FS (non P&S) ESB from the same period (1980-ish). Anything on there? I don't think there was really any differences, but hought I'd ask.

I really need to try and find that SW boot, but I think I loaned it out about 15 years ago and never got it back Wonder if that guy's still around?
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#104367
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The Official babyhum Release Thread
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Originally posted by: SKot
I've just checked out the Dr. Gonzo versions, and I love them... all except for the subtitles. Are you finding a way around that in your new transfers, or is it just something we have to live with?
--SKot


Mine are simply BH's versions that were IVTC'd and converted to ac3 to fit the four specials on two DVD's. BH supplied the original source.
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#102160
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Info Wanted: Did i get the right original preservation DVD's? (from ebay)
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It always sucks to see other people profiting from the transfer I made. When I made copies for some folks, I never charged a dime more than discs + shipping and posted them on a.b.binaries a few times for free distribution. Oh well ... it's always bound to happen.

EDIT: I've reported the seller to eBay. They have nothing but bootleg items for sale.
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#100956
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Info: Laserdisc Chapter Points
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If you'd like, I can check the previously linked list against my DC insert.

EDIT: here it is:

SIDE 1:
01 Opening Logos - "A long time ago..."
02 Main titles - A New Hope
03 Princess Leia's futile flight
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- The origins of STARS [sic] WARS and motion control camera work
- original ship designs
04 The Imperial boarding party
05 R2-D2 receives the stolen plans
06 Princess Leia's capture
07 R2-D2 and C-3PO escape from the Empire
08 Darth Vader confronts Princess Leia
09 Lost in the desert
* Commentary: Ralph McQuarrie
- artistic concepts for Tatooine
- design concepts for C-3PO
- design concepts for R2-D2
10 R2-D2 is all alone
11 The Jawas capture R2-D2
12 Stormtroopers search the desert
13 The Jawas sell their wares
14 Luke meets C-3PO and R2-D2
15 R2-D2's secret message
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- creating the Leia holograph
16 Luke's dinner conversation
17 R2-D2 has vanished

SIDE 2:
18 The search for R2-D2
19 Attack of the Sand People
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- shooting the landspeeder and Tuskin Raider scenes in the desert
20 Obi-Wan (Ben) Kenobi to the rescue
21 Ben reminesces
22 Princess Leia's message
23 Strategy meeting on the Death Star
* Commentary: George Lucas
- creating the sounds of Darth Vader with Ben Burtt
24 A grisly find
25 Vader interrogates Princess Leia
* Commentary: George Lucas
- the choice of James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader
26 Luke decides to go to Alderaan
27 The Mos Eisley spaceport
28 The cantina, a wretched hive of scum and villany
29 Ben hires Han, Chewie and the Millennium Falcon
* Commentary: Ralph McQuarrie
- Chewbacca design considerations
30 Greedo the bounty hunter confronts Han
31 The Death Star sets course
32 Preparing to leave Tatooine
33 The Millennium Falcon makes a quick exit
34 The Imperial Cruisers attack the Millenium Falcon
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- the illusion of hyperspace
35 The Death Star destroys Alderaan

SIDE 3:
01 Luke's lightsaber practice
02 Grand Moff Tarkin is outraged
03 The millennium falcon is captured
* Commentary: Ralph McQuarrie
- production designs for the Death Star
* Commentary: Dennis Muren
- plexiglass [sic] and matte shots for the Death Star
04 Sneaking onto the Death Star
05 Han and Chewie overwhelm the guards
06 Ben's destiny lies on a different path
07 Luke has a plan
08 Phase one: Chewbacca is taken prisoner
09 The attack on the cell block
10 Luke finds Princess Leia
11 Vader senses Ben's presence
12 Imperial troops are alerted
13 Into the garbage chute
14 The Dianoga's attack
15 Trapped in the collapsing garbage room

SIDE 4:
16 Ben disarms the tractor beam
17 In flight to the Falcon
18 The Death Star bridge chasm
19 Obi-Wan meets Death[sic] Vader
* Commentary: George Lucas
- mythology in STAR WARS
20 The rescue party's escape
21 Dogfight with the Empire fighters
* Commentary: Dennis Muren
- George Lucas' direction for space dogfights
22 The Empire takes a risk
23 Han Solo boasts to Princess Leia
24 Arrival at the Yavin moon Rebel base
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- matte shots and the Death Star
25 War room briefing: the Rebel strategy
26 The Death Star approaches
27 Han Solo prepares to leave

SIDE 5:
01 Prepare for battle
02 The Rebel fighters begin the attack
* Commentary: Dennis Muren
- constructing the "Armada" sequence in the Rebel attack
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- depicting spacecraft speed in effects shots
03 Enter the TIE fighters
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- the trench run and TIE fighter explosions
04 Lord Vader joins the fray
05 Vader foils the Gold Squad's attack
06 Grand Moff Tarkin scoffs at the Rebel's chances
07 Red Leader's foray fails
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- Lucas' concepts and templates for the Death Star aerial battle
08 Luke begins his attack
09 Vader's squad faces the X-wing fighters
10 Vader zeros in on Luke
11 Luke trusts in The Force
12 The Rebel base in in range
13 The Millennium Falcon to the rescue
14 Luke's shot
15 The end of the Death Star
* Commentary: Ken Ralston
- explosion of the Death Star
16 Vader's ship hurtles into deep space
17 A hero's welcome
* Commentary: Dennis Muren
- original crew reactions to STAR WARS
18 To the victors belong the honors
19 End credits
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#92151
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Usenet tutorial?
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Originally posted by: atodorovic
/cry I want a mac


The Mac's price of admission is now under $500 new. There's never been a better time to buy.

I popped the $ for Panic's Unison reader. It's a nice cocoa app and takes a neat, new spin on the old news reader. One thing I found especially neat is that it offers four different "filtered" views - normal messages, files (of which it combines all the message parts/threads into one "file"), pictures and music. Very helpful for quickly checking for something new on the binaries groups. A very nice piece of software from the makers of Audion. Thanks for the heads-up, Z6PO.
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#91836
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Usenet tutorial?
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Originally posted by: Z6PO


I use Unison from Panic (shareware). Really easy to use, shows you the files available to download on a list separate from the messages, and includes a download manager.

And to perform verification, recovery and automatic unrar of the downloaded files, MacPAR deLuxe do the trick.


Damn - that's a nice looking client, geared towards binaries. Should have known it would be from Panic - Ive used Transmit and it's a pretty decent FTP client (but I end up command-lining it all the time now ... ). And MacParDeluxe - it's for sure my un-par/rar util of choice.
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#90401
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Usenet tutorial?
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The only thing I have to add is that this would be specifically for Agent. There's a lot of news clients out there (and Agent is Windows only). Try to write the guide in such a way as to illustrate the process and not just the buttons. Why you're doing what you're doing. Then the knowlege can be carried over into any of a number of other news client apps.

I've been using Hogwasher for OS X since switching a year and a half ago. Any other mac users have any favorite newsgroup apps?
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#89610
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I'd love to hear about this.


You're in luck - new day, new email

Answering some more questions:

Many thanks for the kind words about this DVD. It is gratifying that so
many of the little touches that would escape notice with most people (even
fans) have been observed and appreciated.

First, to clarify that there are two versions of "our" pre-ANH disc. The
first has a recreated crawl and three sound mixes: mono (from a VHS boot),
matrixed Dolby stereo (from the late 90's widescreen laserdisc), and the
Definitive Edition mix, which we believe to be a mixdown of the 1977
six-track 70mm mix. At the time we were unaware of Burtt's 1995 home video
remix, so we thought the widescreen LD track was identical to the 1977
stereo and labeled it as such. This first disc was encoded straight from
the Beta tapes using the multipass feature of the Sonic and thus retained
the not-quite-black letterbox bars w/ burned-in subtitles and did not enjoy
frame-by-frame cleanup of film and video artifacts. Whenever we encountered
a dropout on the tape, we'd have to re-transfer the affected portion from
the LD to another tape, lay down new timecode to match the master with the
error on it, and reencode that section. Quite a laborious process.

By the time we finished with the ESB and ROTJ discs, we had greatly
improved the process: an upgraded LD player and the uncompressed
digitization, by-hand cleanup and TMPGEnc encoding described earlier. We
therefore wanted to have another go at SW. This version retained the stereo
mix but left off the others in favor of an isolated score; including them
all was deemed too costly to the bit budget. This disc has a better picture
than the first, an improved crawl recreation with the ANH version as an
alternate stream, replaced subtitles and other goodies like the MacQuarrie
paintings and CD-ROM content. The only reason to watch the first version is
to enjoy switching back and forth between sound mixes to compare
them--otherwise, the second version (shown at the beginning of the "DVD
I've just acquired" thread and currently being torrented) is the one to have.

We also made very nice covers and chapter inserts for the DVD cases--in
hindsight we should've included those files in the CD-ROM portion.


Originally posted by: The Bizzle
the mono mix is VERY
interesting. I've only listened to it about once, though. Thin as hell, of
course..

Yup. And that's after lots of tinkering in Pro Tools and Sound Forge. Nth
generation VHS, what can I say... Would love to find a better source someday.

That bootleg is missing material, sometimes a lot, at every reel change,
too. So we filled the gaps with the stereo mix dumped to mono. We made no
attempt to otherwise "dumb down" the patches, though, for we wanted anyone
who cared to be able to tell what was true to the original mono mix and
what was a replacement. Kinda like how art restorers use paints that can be
easily removed should a future restorer need to redo the job. (My, don't we
sound lofty?)

Similar patching was necessary for the other mixes as well, to a much
smaller degree (three frames or so). Different prints were used for the '89
letterboxed and '93 Definitive discs, and there were extra or missing
frames at reel changes and LD side flips.

In fact, thousands of single-frame edits (removal or repetition)
were necessary to keep all the tracks in synch.

One of the mixes (stereo or Definitive, I forget) suffered from a nasty
splice in the shot of the SD over Tatooine before the wipe to the droids
walking away from the escape pod. There was a slight warble in the
soundtrack, but fortunately it was before or after the SD sound effect and
only music could be heard. Music from the SE soundtrack CD patched it and
blended in perfectly, without the need to EQ, to our surprise. Just an
example of the kind of stuff we did.

In the picture realm, at least as many, if not more, removals of negative
dirt and the like were made.
And for the record, video is from the Definitive LDs, not Faces, not that
there is (to my knowledge) any difference other than CAV/CLV.


Originally posted by: hiphats
If you look closely at
the font in the opening crawl (as seen in the "Empire Of Dreams"
documentary), you will tell that it is much slimmer than the font
represented in the recreation.

Oh how we would've loved to have that bit of reference a couple of years
ago! Our VHS tape of the pre-ANH was drastically cropped, even at the top
and bottom, so determining proper scaling compared to the widescreen image
was difficult. It was hard to even pick out any stars in that
multigenerational mess. It was decided to just match the typeface as seen
in the ANH version.


Originally posted by: skyman8081
The 1977 versions
color timing puts the crawl at the orange color seen in TPM, and not the
brighter yellow typeface seen is ESB and ROTJ.


I have to wonder if the print used in Empire of Dreams is suffering color
degradation due to its age. But still, if we'd had that reference we
might've gone a bit more orange with ours, who knows. But that VHS looked
pretty yellow, even given its poor quality (shrug). Again, when in doubt,
we went with a known quantity, the ANH version.


Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
It recreates some
tracking at times (the introduction of the Super Star Destroyer for
instance) instead of hearing Williams' original composition (the scene was
extended, so the original music wouldn't quite fit but a little editing
might have fixed that).


Yeah, that was a toughie. The scene is some 13 seconds longer than the
music intended for it. That is the length of the first shot of the SSD
passing by, so it must've been added after scoring (thus the reason for the
retracking in the first place). We tried partially repeating one of the
refrains but it just didn't work musically, and even if it did it still
wouldn't have been representative of the precise accompaniment of
sound/picture from the scoring session. In hindsight we might have been
able to let the opening brass "DA-duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh" repeat
several times, letting it synch back up after the added FX shot was over.

The intention was to recreate, as close as could be determined, the
original music stems before deletions and retracking changes were made.
This meant duplicating some pretty rough edits that in the film are buried
in the mix: check out the scene where the hologram of the Imperial captain
fizzles out after an asteroid hits his SD, or when the Falcon's hyperdrive
fails once again during the Bespin escape. Choppy as hell but that's the
way it is in the film, so in they stayed! (This is not in any way a
criticism of the original music editor, who did wonders piecing music
together after the picture was, at times, drastically changed after scoring.)

We couldn't resist smoothing out an edit here and there, but tried hard to
duplicate music cuts, whether they flowed musically or not, true to the
films. Again, they're seldom noticable when watching the final mix; it
isn't 'till you stop paying attention to anything but the music that they
can be discerned. We did let the end of tracks trail off to their
conclusion as recorded even when in the final mix they were potted down
earlier.

Duplicating the original scoring could not be done in the purest sense, for
that would mean re-editing picture as well. Thus the opening scenes of ESB,
from the probe droid launch through Luke being attacked (again,
restructured after scoring) feature all the retracking as necessary.

It was a good thing we still had old 4-disc set of the soundtracks despite
having gotten the "complete" SE soundtrack CDs. As it turns out, there are
a few differences between the takes selected for use, and thus both sets
were needed for the isolated scores. It turns out the correct take of a
portion of the Imperial March in the end credits is not used on any CD
release we had, and thus we had to cut back to the soundtrack of the film
for those few seconds. Luckily, credits don't have dialogue and effects!

Alas, this was also the case for the music during the scene where Luke gets
his new hand and the Falcon flies away. The precise take used in the movie
ain't on CD (despite the "film version" label of one track in the 4-disc
set)! Thus our iso score is only a close approximation during this cue.

ROTJ was a challenge because there was even more mix-and-matching going on:
the Emperor's arrival is a crazy quilt (due to the deletion of a brief
scene of Vader observing the landing and walking down the hall toward the
docking bay), and Yoda's scene has a brief portion (albeit previously
unused) from ESB. Interestingly, the tuba version of Jabba's theme is all
but unheard in the film, but abounds as originally scored. And the Rancor,
the sail barge scene...what a mess. But the insights into the films'
editorial history this project provided have been a very rare, fascinating
blessing. Granted, there aren't that many people who would value the
knowledge that there are ten edits between different takes during the ESB
end credits. But we do!

Oh, and I'd like to publicly thank The Maker for the "dub mix" Lapti Nek
12" single (which is among the CD-ROM content in MP3 form, by the way). The
long stretches of instrumentals enabled the isolated score to be sans
either one of Sy Snootles' voices! While it would've been nice to have the
mix of the song used in the movie, this is as close as even LFL could ever
get, given that they've lost the damn thing. (Silly Sprocket Systems,
loaning out irreplacable masters instead of dubs to dance club remixers and
documentarians...)


Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
IOh, and about the
sub-titles, the LD used for this was also 4x3 and had the sub-titles in the
black band, just under the image. This disc features re-done sub-titles for
some reason.


This was necessitated by the replacement of the letterbox bars, and
besides, the LD titles were in the wrong typeface and their timing did not
match our VHS boot.


Once again, we're glad you like what we've done, folks! We especially
appreciate the restraint exhibited by the likes of Gonzo, Bizzle and
Neal--given that two of them got the discs from third parties (one with our
knowledge, the other without), and that we've never even been in direct
contact with one of them, their respect of our wishes is all the more
admirable.

And we stress that they were wishes, not demands as one post
recently put it. We made these for ourselves and a group of friends. We
knew we could not mandate or control the actions of anyone else, just as no
one could rightly demand we make it available to them. We could only
communicate our wishes and hope they were respected. To be honest, that
lasted a lot longer than we expected. We never felt we owed it to the world
to share, although it's flattering that the product was good enough that
the "world" wants it.

But, most importantly, we have a very practical reason for remaining
anonymous. Do you think we own all the facilities and equipment we used? Do
you think we wish legal repercussions upon the person(s) who does? We have
a very serious responsibility to the very livelihood of that person(s).
It's bad enough it's gotten this far. 'Nuff said.

Thanks again!

P.S. Isn't "mysterious mysteries" redundant?
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#89289
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STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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Originally posted by: Rikter
New torrent up...

STAR WARS - from the "Mysterious Mysteries" Collection
a.k.a. "Original Theatrical" Pre-ANH DVD

The "source" information about this version of the O.T. is not known as the original "creator[s]" left strict instructions that no copies of this set were to be made, or to mention who the creators were. So I've tracked down as much information that I could find regarding this set and have effectively named the set the "Mysterious Mysteries" Edition as the creator[s] wish to remain anonymous.


Rik, check the other thread for more info.

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#89135
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Okay, guys. This weekend I emailed the creators of this set and have got a reply. I have their permission to reprint it, so I'll let their own words speak:

To begin, please know that no negativity I may voice is in any way
directed towards yourself. I know from your posts that you have honored
our requests to "keep it in the family," as it were. I must say that I
am a little dismayed that the discs we asked people to keep under wraps
have now seemed to find their way out into the general community. I
understand how Star Wars fans are, and from the beginning I always felt
these DVDs would eventually leak out, but I am disappointed all the
same. Some have asked why we wouldn't want to share our creation with
the world, so I'll try to answer that.

First of all, we charged a nominal fee for the ones you and others got.
Not to make any money, or be compensated for the literally hundreds of
hours spent working on them, but just enough to cover costs of materials
and shipping. I didn't think it fair that the world should get for free
what a select few have paid for.

Second, I've been lurking on fora and newsgroups for some time now, and
there seem to be many out there making their own LD conversions, for the
sheer enjoyment of it, who are happy to share, and who are not in it for
any sort of glory. There also seem to be, in equal amounts, people who
do it for the sheer self-exaltation, seeking credit and some manner of
praise that theirs are "the best." To those who don't understand our
wishes to keep a lid on the distribution of our product, I say that it
is our desire to remain in a third camp, one that would like simply to
produce these discs for ourselves and our friends, and not worry about
quality control down the line, generational issues, Lucasfilm legal, etc.

But since it appears that these DVDs are going to be distributed, I
would like to at least give the complete details on them, and thus
eliminate needless speculation by others.

The entire creative process behind these discs basically took place in a
vacuum. Aside from a really horrible Asian bootleg, we had never seen
any Star Wars DVDs before, so all ideas for content and design were
entirely ours, based on what we thought we wanted to see in a DVD. It's
important to point out that all assets were generated by us alone; there
was no lifting of soundtracks or other material from other DVDs, and no
borrowing of anything.

The LDs were played back from a Pioneer player, which was the only weak
link in the chain. It had no Y/C separation circuit, so the dot crawl in
brightly colored areas was unavoidable. The discs were dubbed to Betacam
SP for use as masters, since the ability to use timecode to go back and
fix areas was important. All the video was assembled and edited
uncompressed on an Avid|DS system. There the 24p video was extracted,
and extensive restoration was performed. This restoration entailed the
removal of a great deal of film dirt and video dropout, and is where the
bulk of the labor was spent. Also in this system, the black letterbox
bars were replaced with pure black, which paid great dividends at the
encoding stage.

The "original" crawl was created in After Effects. Its timing and layout
was based on a pre-ANH VHS we obtained. This tape was also the basis for
the typeface and timing of Greedo's subtitles, which were DVD
subpictures and not encoded with the video. The same process was used
for the Jedi subtitles, particularly since the LD had spelling errors.

All of the soundtracks were mixed on an Avid Media Composer. The
soundtracks were from the Definitive Collection LDs, the Wide Screen
edition laserdiscs, and the aforementioned VHS tape was the source of
the mono mix. This process was extremely time-consuming because of the
isolated scores, whose sources were all the commercially available
soundtracks, as well as the promotional Lapti Nek 12" single (NO other
sources were used for the music. Period). This process gave us an
unswerving admiration for the job done by music editors on feature films.

The video was encoded using TMPGEnc, and all the assets were brought
together and authored in Sonic DVD Creator. Jacket pictures were
generated in Scenarist.

On the matter of some decisions:
- The color was extensively agonized over. Laserdisc is an inherently
noisy analog format. Because of this, it was decided not to boost the
chroma saturation beyond a small amount, since doing so also increases
the chroma noise. When it came to the MPEG encode, the problems the
noise would've created just weren't worth it.
- We also debated on whether to do an anamorphic encode. Based on years
of professional DVD experience, it was decided that vertically expanding
the picture to make a 16x9 video offered absolutely no advantages and
plenty of disadvantages. You simply don't expand video. It creates
unacceptable softening and makes the encoder work harder needlessly.

I hope this helps provide some information about the process behind
these DVDs. If there's anything you think I missed, or if anyone has any
questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer. If I can't do
anything about these works being distributed, at least I can provide
taccurate information about them.


There you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth. Take it as you will.