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#1099331
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Neverar's Star Wars Technicolor Recreation
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NeverarGreat said:

kk650 said:

Congrats on finally finishing this NeverarGreat! Very interested in seeing what colour choices you’ve made in certain scenes.

Do you have any plans to work on The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi?

Looking at the whole thing put together after years of working on it piecemeal, I see nothing but problems and ‘almost there’ shots. I finally start to see what the film should look like, which makes any shot that doesn’t quite make it look terribly unfortunate in comparison. But the time comes when you have to abandon the work and release it.

After this is released, I’m planning on taking a long break from color correction. Hopefully there will be a good official release of the trilogy in the meantime (or another great fan project), but if that doesn’t happen then who knows, I may be back at it someday. 😉

I suppose that’s how Lucas felt when he looked at the OOT, particulary Star Wars: you see nothing but problems and ‘almost there’ shots. It’s kind of ironic, you start a project to essentially make the film more enjoyable to watch for yourself, and by the time you finish everyone enjoys it, except you.

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#1099326
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Fang Zei said:

So does anyone honestly still think that when the time eventually comes to release the OT on 4k* that Disney won’t include a restored OOT?

I mean, to the layman, do the 2011 blu-rays look that terrible when upscaled on a properly setup and calibrated 4k display? People are going to need a reason to buy these movies yet again other than higher (but not necessarily perceptible) resolution and hdr.

Maybe I’m way underestimating the demand for a 4k hdr SE, but I feel like a lot of fans are worn out from all these changes and would prefer to simply watch these films as they were.

*probably no sooner than 2020 so that Disney can keep the profits from Empire and Jedi all to themselves.

The general population doesn’t care about the changes. A great number of them have never seen anything but the SE. They don’t even know what they’re missing, and their numbers are growing every day. They’ll buy a new release like they’ve done ever since the first VHS tape appeared in stores. You get a new 4K release along with a 4K mastered bluray, you add a few new extras, you market the **** out of it, and voila you sell a couple of million of them around christmas time. It’s that simple. Heck, even the PT is having it’s renaissance these days. Almost 50% of people have grown up with them and the SE. We’re on the endangered species list.

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#1098323
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Automated color grading and color matching with a Machine Learning Algorithm
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^…^ said:

Dre, don’t want to say that DVD menu colors are right (are they?) or better than to other grading, but in the remote chance you would do a MENU-BOT, here you are a comparison (left GOUT, right DVD menu):

SW_GOUT_Vs_DVD_MENU.jpg

Don’t know if your software would be confused by the fact the frames have not the same aspect ratio (some are closer when cropped, though) and have different elements.

I will have a look what I can come up with. The DVD menu does look more balanced.

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#1098313
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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects
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SilverWook said:

JohnStewart said:

You people crack me up. You F* around with copyrighted material then you cry when you see people selling the s*! Just stop, ok you make yourselves look stupid. Maybe if you made the “free” versions easier to get the masses out there would not resort to paying for them. Not to mention it might not be wise to keep brining undo attention to this site as well. I had no problem getting these but to your average non computer person its a pretty difficult task.

“You people”? That’s odd coming from someone who’s been on the site for several years and was recently praising Harmy.

I wouldn’t mind if someone was only charging for the material costs of making a copy. MST3K fans have done this for years with the unreleased episodes. And tape traders since before the internets only asked you send them a blank tape or something they were looking for in return. But that guy on Ebay cleared around 4k in a month doing this. Not cool.

I haven’t downloaded that much in the way of projects, since the people I’ve partnered with are good about mailing me a copy, but it’s a lot easier now than 16 years ago when I was trying to download a movie off of usenet. Finding that one missing file that didn’t propagate to the newsserver you were on was sheer joy.

If you have suggestions as to how to make projects easier for the computer novices out there to find, by all means fire away. But a friendlier attitude might be nice too.

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#1096509
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Neverar's Star Wars Technicolor Recreation
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Williarob said:

KDJ said:

dahmage said:

NeverarGreat said:

So is there a way to fix the links?

patience?

I would not hold your breath. That site has seemingly never been updated, goes offline randomly, and almost always has extremely slow load times. All of these issues have been present for years. There is simply no better alternative available to take its place. (yet)

I saw this post and I decided on the spot “I should build an alternative”. So I bought a domain name on Tuesday morning and built a quick screenshot comparison site:

http://www.framecompare.com

Here is an example showing how it works with multiple aligned images:

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/WNNN8T8X

I literally just put it up 5 minutes ago, so there are bound to be some bugs that need working out, but it does seem to work. I made several “enhancements” I felt were missing from the old site:

  • You can compare up to six images with each other all at once
  • er. Ok, I guess it’s just that one enhancement then.

Try it out and let me know what you think.

Amazing Williarob!!!

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#1096433
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Color matching and prediction: color correction tool v1.3 released!
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lansing said:

Williarob said:

alexp120 said:

alexp120 said:
If you look at williarob’s “Restoring Color to Red Faded Film” video

http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/09/12/Restoring-Color-to-a-Faded-Eastman-Print-of-Star-Wars

…beginning at the 15:47 mark, he explains how you can build a model containing a wide variety of colors. You are grabbing sample frames of the shot that you are working on from both the reference video and the test video, and creating LUT’s of all the colors in that shot.

I noticed that the number of sample frames of the shot from both the reference video and the test video is 16. Why 16?

I think it had to do with how big the montage image was going to be. I didn’t want any blank areas, so it had to be 4x4 or 3x3 or 5x5, but if I recall correctly, any bigger than 4x4 at that resolution (each frame about 848x360? - something like that) would just leave the color match tool hanging indefinitely on my system. Your system may be more or less powerful than mine, so your mileage may vary.

If you were using the tool to grade a film like Raiders or Star Wars then I would recommend you take 8 to 16 frames from every scene (rather than shot) and turn them into montages, one of the source (or test) frames and one of the target (reference) frames and create a LUT for each scene.

In my testing, I did try grabbing up to 64 small frames (smaller than SD) from an entire reel of Star Wars and generating montages and a single LUT for an entire reel, but found it was much less accurate than doing it on a scene by scene basis. However, this was probably because the reel did not have consistent colors (parts of the reel were scanned with different color settings) so 1 LUT to rule them all was not possible until all the shots had been color balanced first.

However you may be able to create a single montage for an entire episode of what you are working on, especially if the color changes are consistent.

This is a very late follow up because I was slacking off. I created a montage reference image and it sure is more accurate. My question now is is 4x4 montage the overall best size as a reference for a scene? Or is it better to build the montage with 1 frame from each second in the scene?

My second question is what is the minimum resolution we can use to create the montage without affecting quality when building the color matching model in the program? It sounds too crazy to build the montage with the full size 1920x1080 frames.

Montages will work, but the more frames the more difficult it is to match the frames, with a higher probability of artifacts. For the fast mode the frame size is significantly reduced.

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#1092825
Topic
Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
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I’m back at it. We had to cut our vacation short, due to a family emergency, which has luckily been resolved. We’ve postponed our vacation to a later date.

I’m currently sorting through the roughly 600 shots I have, putting those shots that belong in the same scenes together.

The bluray regrades/color references I presented certainly have the correct feel. I think they’re about 80% there. My current plan is to tweak each of them to match their respective frames after I’ve finished sorting through them.

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#1091831
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Gary Kurtz owns one of the surviving technicolor prints of Star Wars, and that’s what’s been shown…

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#1091685
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
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If you boost the saturation of those last images, the colors are pretty close to the earlier images, although the green is somewhat less intense:

So, I believe it’s a matter of intensity and contrast. The colors are more intense when the projector is pointed directly at the camera, than when you capture the light projected on a screen, for which you only capture a fraction of the light emitted by the projector.

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#1091295
Topic
Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
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… and here’s a set of regrades of the Death Star conference room sequence, created by matching a print scan to my earlier regrades, and then applying those colors to the bluray. I’ve left the color imbalances in the print as they are:

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#1091293
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
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This thread started with the discussion about the green corridors of Tantive IV. Having now seen some scans of a 1997 SE print, I can confirm that the corridors were not just green on technicolor prints, but on the 1997 SE prints as well. Here’s how it appears on the scans.

Bluray:

Bluray matched to scan:

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