DrCrowTStarwarsreborn

I’ll buy that.

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Smithers said:
Yeah John Williams is the #1 composer of all time when it comes to making unique, emotional, and iconic music.

Higher than Beethoven?

I don’t remember the music being very notable in Beethoven.

So did Nicky reform in prison and then go straight after trying to steal the fabulous Baseball Diamond or are we dealing with a “The Stepfather” type situation where he became a serial killer who murdered whole families including the pets here?

Superman the movie(The best superhero movie ever made and that is not nostalgia talking, i didn’t see the movie until I was 18 and then it was when i was trapped at work after the end of my shift for the whole night and I was watching it on a portable DvD player with a tiny seven inch screen, so that was the worst way to watch any film for the first time and I went in expect to hate it but instead i found it had a special magic that few films of any kind match. It didn’t treat the character as a joke but it still wasn’t afraid to just be a comic book film for kids, it didn’t try to pretend to be anything else and it wasn’t ashamed of what it was, a colourful, rapid fire, epic adventure film. In tone it reminds me of another film on my top ten list, The Adventures of Robin Hood.)

Man of steel(The best birthday present I ever got. I think the point that a lot of people fumble over is that this movie is completely different from the other Superman films and like a lot of project Goyer and Nolan have had involvement with it tries to show that a hero can be a hero even when there are not any easy answers and I have noticed that when it comes to hard issues like the true cost of war, Nolan and Goyer do something rare in the history of Hollywood films, they will bring up the questions these issues raise for the viewers to think about but will then not be afraid to admit that they don’t have an answer that will solve all these problems in every case.

Also in tone it is pretty close to the old Superman radio show where Superman would sometimes go up against the same brutal gangsters repeatedly and he would get mad and threaten, beat up, or even kill people to either get information, make a point, or just because he was mad after watching them try to get away with something.

It was a less perfect take on Superman that most people have not seen and so it didn’t sit well with them, but it wasn’t made up by this film and in it’s own way it is upbeat in that Superman does inspire all of the characters in this film who are not villains to be better people, even the wormy guy from the Daily Planet who I expected to be on the receiving end of a “Didn’t you get the memo?” type scene or to run off like a coward and get killed.

All and all i think this movie is far more upbeat and true to the character then most people give it credit for, i can’t say I feel the same way about it’s sequel based on the trailers I have seen so far.)

Superman 3(This movie is only this high because it contains one of my all time favorite movie lines. “I ask you to kill Superman and you can’t even do this one simple thing.” I also happen to think that the Lana Lang/ Clark Kent romance works better then the Louis Lane/ Superman romance in the other movies, it seems to be based on them both liking each other and not some form of hero worship. I have always seen Clark Kent as being as much a real part of Superman as any other part of his personality, yeah there are some things he does as Clark to throw people off, but over all I think Clark Kent is where the moral center comes from, so the fact that Louis always seems to reject Clark until she finds out he is Superman always bothered me and made it feel like that relationship was based more in Louis being in awe of Superman and it wouldn’t last, this movie isn’t bogged down by that.

Don’t get me wrong most of this movie is garbage but it does have a few scenes that still have some charm to them that help hold it up.)

Superman 2(This movie would be higher on the list but neither of the cuts out there feel like a complete movie, they each feel like a jumble of parts that never really come together to form a whole, and I had no idea there were two different cuts when i first saw it.

Also the music sounds like it was recorded in a shed somewhere and preformed by a high school marching band and that always distracts me from what is going on in the movie. Oh and then there is the fact that the movie revolves around the love story that makes no sense. I mean Superman wants to be with Louis, but Louis is in love with Superman and not Clark Kent, so Superman stops being Superman and becomes Clark Kent?! Even without Zod showing up, how was that relationship supposed to work for more then a day? when you ad to that the memory wiping kiss because Louis is too much of a weak emotional woman to handle ever seeing an ex boyfriend again you have a movie that just doesn’t work very well for me.

Reeves and Stamp have to pretty much hold up this movie on their own and it’s note enough IMO.)

Superman IV(I think i can see what they were going for with this movie, trying to show why Superman can’t solve all the world’s problems because they are too complex and he would have to take away free will, but over the top villains and it getting stuck on it’s preachy anti-nukes message,that really should have just been a story telling tool to get to the over all point of the film, sadly doomed this one before the budget was cut to less then half of what it was supposed to be.)

Superman Returns(Brandon Routh should have worked as Superman and it has nothing to do with him looking like Reeves. There is a scene in an episode of Chuck where he is warning a terrorist thug not to go after “His people” and he comes off as a really good Superman in this scene, and you can tell he is trying in this film and he does work in a few scenes. It’s too bad he was stuck with a soap opera script that didn’t give him much of a chance to do anything heroic and spent most of it’s time casting Superman as a creepy stalker, date rapist, deadbeat dad. Lex comes off as much less creepy then Superman in this movie and he tries a repeat of his plan from the first movie that nearly killed millions. I wouldn’t even call this a Superman film, because in no universe can I see the character that is written in this movie as Superman. he is just a creep with super powers and nothing happens for most of the screen time.

I really do feel sorry for Routh because he could have worked, but the horrid script doomed him before one frame of this movie was shot.)

TV’s Frink said:

RicOlie_2 said:

I don’t want to bump Die Hard off the list, but I’d say that It’s a Wonderful Life beats it as a Christmas movie. I guess only the frame of the story is really set on Christmas Eve, though.

Don’t worry, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.

It is in my house, my family gathered around and watched the movie on Christmas eve this past Christmas and I have watched it every Christmas for years and it all takes place on one Holiday so I don’t see why it shouldn’t count.

LexX said:

FanFiltration said:

December 7th -

Pearl Harbor
The Final Countdown
Winds of War
Run Silent Run Deep
In Harm’s Way
Tora! Tora! Tora!
From Here to Eternity

June 6 -
Ike: Countdown to D-Day
The Longest Day (1962)
The Big Red One (1980)
Red Ball Express (1952)
Saving Ryan’s Privates (1998)
Band of Brothers (2001)

War movies are not my cup of tea, what would you say are the best ones? Or if the movie starts like on a previous day, you can also adjust the date to fit in the list.

I may get flack for this but I think despite SPR being more realistic in it’s D-day scenes and more shocking, overall TLD is the better movie because it focuses on the real events of D-day and not on some stupid made up, feel good mission to save a Hollywood pretty that any officer who approved it in any military in world history would fired or court marshaled with in thirty seconds or giving the order.

In that case if you are going to pick between the two and you choose SPR switch it off as soon as the D-Day scenes are done as it becomes insultingly stupid after that. It’s like Speilberge shot one movie, then in editing saw that it was only as long as a short film and so he went back and shot a completely different film with one member of the short film’s cast and spliced them together to make one movie long enough to release.

Say what you will about TLD(and a lot of part of it have not aged well)it at least seemed to know what story it was trying to tell and was made by people who did their best to try and tell that story and most of it’s problems come from early 1960s censorship rules.

LexX said:

DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

Don’t forget Gremlins 2 takes place on President’s day!

That is a hugely underrated movie IMO, and the speech where they lampoon the Christmas day speech from the first movie always makes me laugh and it seemed to do the same for the cast because they couldn’t get a completely good take out of them while filming that scene, just look at it, near the end both actors are cracking up.

Ugh, I really dislike that movie. 😄 I don’t know the US holidays that well but it seems that President’s Day is a moving date, no? Or is there a certain date mentioned in the film?

The list is getting better. 😃

Oh, yeah I forgot got about that. Really since all the schools close and we always know when it is coming I tend to forget that the date changes on this one.

I like the fact that Gremlins 2 is a completely different type of movie from the first. To me the trouble with most comedy sequels is that they try to be the same type of movie as the original to the extent that all they do is tell the exact same jokes over again, by being a different type of comedy Gremlins 2 avoids this problem, plus I love it’s wacky Looney Tunes style humor.

Don’t forget Gremlins 2 takes place on President’s day!

That is a hugely underrated movie IMO, and the speech where they lampoon the Christmas day speech from the first movie always makes me laugh and it seemed to do the same for the cast because they couldn’t get a completely good take out of them while filming that scene, just look at it, near the end both actors are cracking up.

Well I would tie him with Max Steiner and Bernard Herman(who’s scores I always remember and always leave an impact as well)but that puts him in great company.

I mean even the scores no one talks about like Catch me if you can, I love and will listen to on my own and now after playing Battlefront 2 I really want to get the prequel scores despite the fact that I will most likely never watch the films again, now that is saying something about the man’s talent.

I mean I was just watching Superman the movie the other night and my little sister pointed out that the tune March of the Villains from that movie is the exact same tune as March of the Ewoks from Jedi just with different instruments and i didn’t care because he just that good.

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Let’s not forget the Jedi Purge lasting all of a couple seconds.

FTFY

The Jedi are completely inept in the PT and it’s magnified in ROTS. They can’t sense Palpatine. They can’t tell Anakin is into some bad shit. They confront Palpatine four to one, and three die within two seconds. All the others are killed by fricking clones.

It’s so embarassing.

Yeah, that ruined Star Wars for me for a long time. I couldn’t believe the galaxy was in trouble without the Jedi in the OT because in the PT I couldn’t believe they would be smart or skilled enough to keep the peace for five seconds, let alone a thousand generations.

Oh and Lucas trying to force an Anakin and Obiwan friendship into the movie movie after all Anakin had done was complain about Obiwan in the last movie. I am sorry but I could not get over that, I just felt like Anakin was sucking up to his master in order to get a promotion, not that they were two good friends tragically driven apart. I wanted Obiwan to wake up and see what a back stabbing ass kisser Anakin was and kill him, so the climax of the whole series had no impact.

This is why it is my most hated of the PT, nothing in it had any impact. At least Jar jar was hateful enough that he had an emotional impact on me and in theory the climax to Episodes one and two either tied up their stories in way that would have made sense in a better movie or left us with a good cliffhanger, but the end of Episode three had no impact what so ever. It even ended with the exact shot i predicted the prequels would end with when they were first announced, and I was 12 when they were first announced so that is not a good thing!

So over all this is the only Star wars film I truly hate and will likely never be able to force myself to watch again.

You know I was just playing Star Wars battlefront 2 and it uses a lot of music from the prequels because they were new at the time and hearing the music on it’s own I really like it. Now I really wish the prequels had been better because the music was so tied to scenes that never made sense to me or I just didn’t care about because i didn’t like any of the characters that I didn’t notice just how good it was at the time. I mean the music from the Anikin and Obiwan dual in episode three is really good, but because i didn’t ever believe they were friends the music didn’t make an impression on me at the time.

I guess that is John Williams for you, even when the movie suck his stuff is still good.

Well I guess my game is glitching because that is not happening, weird.

This may sound like a stupid question but I have checked both the manual and online FAQs and none of them seems to answer this question and so this place is my last hope for an answer.

I finally got Battlefront 2 to work on my modern PC and in many ways it is a better game then the original, there is just one problem. I can’t figure out how to change my character class when I respawn and I have looked everywhere. It is becoming a real problem because in galactic conquest mode every time the enemy gets walkers I am stuck as the soldier class and I don’t have any heavy weapons to take the thing down with so I can’t win, they wipe me out in about two minutes. If you know how to change my class so i can get heavy weapons please let me know, thanks.

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I have looked everywhere else for the answer.

Neglify said:

TV’s Frink said:

The only proper viewing order for this thread is:

1. Don’t

Shit, I already failed.

Darn it, me too!

Also Episode one is now my favorite movie of all time!

Have you ever seen something approach from a long way away? Did you notice that you don’t see the whole thing at once, you see the top first? If the earth were flat this would not be the case. Also a flat earth could not have the very useful magnetic poles that function the way they do on our earth, the night and cycle would work completely differently, and gravity would be tricky.

The earth has never seemed flat to me. Just look up in the sky, it is clearly a dome over a round object.

When the SEs came out my family didn’t have the money to go to the movies and see them in theaters and now that they are the only versions out there and tickets cost around $13 a pop I am not sure I would ever go seem them.

The more I think about it the more I think that one of the reasons I may not mind the fact that TFA took so many plot points from Star Wars is not just that I liked the new characters and they were on their own arc within this story, but because I never did get to see Star Wars in theaters and on the big screen.

Is this a silly reason not to mind this point that bugs so many fans and critics alike?

I mean I normally have good taste in movies but seeing the original cast on the big screen, seeing an X-Wing space battle, and then a lightsaber fight that I liked on the big screen seems to have overridden my good taste.

Does anyone else find that this holds true for them, or am I on my own here?

To be fair before the prequels came out I don’t remember any of the Star Wars movies having the episode number on the posters or the home video box art. I would have to check but even the SEs don’t seem to have done that, so TFA was only going back to that tradition and given that it seems to go out of it’s way not to mention the prequels(besides the remark about clone troopers)that doesn’t really surprise me.

Another vote for the final cut. I recently watched it with some family and then I watched the theatrical cut with them and they all said without any prompting or being given the back story that the Final Cut was a much better film.

Ford did the narration on the theatrical cut badly on purpose thinking there was no way the studio would use it, and it shows. Not to mention the Final Cut just flows better and makes Blade Runner one of the best films of all time. It’s so good that even though it didn’t stick to the book Philip K. Dick liked it.

If you can get it on Blu Ray it is well worth getting in that format. I got my Bluray boxset with all the cuts of the film and the work print a few months after it came out for about $40 and i didn’t regret it. As long as you don’t go in expecting a balls to the wall action movie you are in for a great ride. Blade Runner transports you to another world in a way that has never been match IMO.

Enjoy! 😃

TheBoost said:

I read up until they got to the Joseph Campbell refrences. Most overused gimmick in criticism. I tapped out at that.

What started as analysis became a tool and now an excuse.

Not to mention he is not a respected name with people who seriously study old myths from different cultures, with those types he is seen as a racist white guy trying to force everything into the same western Europian mold and not taking note of any cultural differences.

So I pretty much tune out of anything that uses Campbell as a source as if he is the end all be all of this type of research.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Yes, I referring to the first issue of the Gold Key comic series.

*shakes head*

Okay I have to say at least the artwork is a lot better in that book then it is in most comics I have seen from the 60s and 70s that were tie ins to TV shows or movies. In fact it looks like standard art work from decent comic at the time. Do we know who did the art work on these, because at least that person seems to have been trying.

imperialscum said:

I can. The title reads in romaji as “seihou no dai kunshu”. I would translate it to English as “overload of west”.

“YOU SPOONY BARD!”

Tobar said:

Jury is out on Chibnall for me. His Who episodes weren’t amazing nor were they offensive. He apparently set the tone for Torchwood and seeing as I actively despise that series, that’s a definite knock. BUT, he also wrote this scene. So it’s a real toss up for me.

Yeah I could never get into Torchwood. The sole reason anyone has ever given me that they like it is that it has lots of sex in it, okay but does that really make it a good show on it’s own??? It’ just a cross between Doctor who and the X-Files, and that is really it. It’s not as good as either show on it’s own, so I really have no interest in it. i tried watching it but couldn’t get through the first season.

It seems like the show just keeps getting passed down through the same writers who started under RTD and each one is just getting their turn as producer so we are not having any of the big shake ups or changes that the classic series had. I mean in the classic series I think by this point the show had had five producers and seven script editors and each of them changed things a bit, the new series has started to feel the same. I mean it is always the same, we have a plot arc throughout the season and then the season ends with a big epic battle with a classic monster. Now the stories are starting to all feel the same too so I have quite frankly given up on the new series ever doing anything new. That is why I think the BBC is trying to kill the show, this should have been used as a chance to bring in a fresh producer who had nothing to do with the past of the show and would have brought in new writers so things would get shaken up a bit. Instead we seem to be waiting an extra year just to get the same old same old when the show does come back.

Unless they announce something along the lines of not relying on classic monsters any more and not going back to earth for a while this news leaves me unimpressed. I don’t think this choice of producer is going to help the show much at all. Unless he is a much better producer then he is a writer that is.

Sorry to be so negative. At least I have plenty of Big Finish audios to listen to while the show it’s self is in a slump.

I think the series it’s self may be in trouble since they just seem to be passing it to a random writer who isn’t that popular with the fans and they are not even bothering to air any new episodes this year. My guess is the BBC is sick of the show and how much it costs to make so they are setting it up to fail so by the time series 11 finishes airing the ratings will be in the toilet and they will have an excuse to cancel it.

On the lighter side of things I was given a humble bumble package of Big Finish audios by a friend for Christmas and some of these I had never heard before. I mean I used to have to import the CDs from the UK back in the day so I didn’t always have the money to keep up.

I just finished listening to the Marian Conspiracy and not only is it a return to the historicals with a new companion and great job done by one of my all time favorite doctors but it is a fair and balanced look at the reformation that doesn’t have any aliens in it that goes beyond the stereotypes and seems to be written by someone who has done their research. Why can’t we have stories like this on the TV series? This was amazing and easily in my top ten Doctor Who stories of all time, if you only ever listen to one Colin Baker audio adventure please make it this one.

I am going to get back into collecting the audio adventure which I had kind of stopped doing in recent years because of a lack of cash but I really want to hear more of them now so I will be spending my limited cash on them. That is just how insanely good this adventure was. I mean there are big budget films that don’t do as good a job of looking at both sides as this adventure did, this was just good writing all around.

In answer to the title of the thread, I have heard the Japanese can but I only read that once on the internet so I am not so sure it’s true since you can’t trust anything you read on the internet.

Anchorhead said:

imperialscum said:
Taking a few story concepts, such as uptight princess rescue element really isn’t much of a Kurosawa rip-off. It is pretty much an element found in ever third fairytale.

Character such as Vader and Tarkin in my opinion relatively very unique. Not to mention all the other relatively unique stuff and concepts such as death star, the force, lightsabres, spaceship designs, stormtroopers designs, creatures, etc. I said “relatively” because one way or another you can find something similar somewhere and start a petty argument.

On the other hand, TFA directly copied stuff.

Lucas also directly copied many other people. Often times more than just similarities. Some mentioned here may have been inspiration, others are direct lifts.

http://www.moongadget.com/origins/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8B10_oY5g

http://nothingbutcomics.net/2015/12/14/valerian/

You beat me to it! I was about to post that link.

Not to mention all the story elements from the first movie he repeated in the prequels and then what he didn’t repeat made no sense, oh and there is the fact that Jedi is pretty much just a remake of the first movie. I don’t think anything Lucas wrote would have been as good as what we got with the last movie, just because something is new doesn’t excuse the fact that it makes no sense and if I have to read a book or watch a cartoon that was made after the movie to even understand what the basic conflict was about, then the movie has failed as a movie because it didn’t tell it’s story.

I mean why was Vader even needed? The Jedi were taken out by either Palpatine or storm troopers, and all Anikin does is kill some kids and unarmed idiots. Palpatine didn’t need him and he wasn’t needed to move the plot forward so why do we spend three movies following this idiot around?

Just because an idea is new that does not make it good and if you have a problem with old ideas being reused then Star Wars isn’t the franchise for me I am sad to say.

SilverWook said:

DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

Tobar said:

DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

Of course then they went the AU route with Voyager and TNG movies. The Voyager episode with the Tuvok flash back where it turns out he just happened to serve under Captain Sulu back in the day has to be an all time low point for this sort of thing.

Um, Tuvok’s first appearance was in the opening scene of Star Trek Generations where he’s shown serving aboard the Enterprise B. Years before Voyager was a thing. They’re supposedly two separate but identical characters, but come on. Same with Tom Paris, he’s literally playing the same character from that episode of TNG where Wesley is nearly kicked out of the Academy. But they didn’t want to pay residuals to the writer of that episode so they changed his name for Voyager.

That character was not a Vulcan, how could it be Tuvok?

Yeah the Tom Paris thing was much closer and that was jerky thing to do to the writers of The First Duty considering it was one of the best episodes of TNG and Tom Paris wouldn’t exist if they had not create the their character. Still Tuvok was not in Generations and when you already have a show where they just happen to meet Quark in the first episode and then latter Janeway is briefing Picard it does make the Star Trek galaxy feel very small and when the franchise is supposed to be about exploring the final frontier that is a bad thing in my book.

As Voyager stopped at DS9 before it’s ill fated mission, it’s not much of a stretch some of the crew went to Quark’s. (The Enterprise D went to the station more than once.) Not to mention the events that led to the formation of the Maquis began on TNG and carried over into DS9.

There are no real issues with Janeway being in Nemesis since it takes place well after Voyager got home. Promoting her to Admiral arguably keeps her out of trouble, after laying waste to much of the Gamma Quadrant. 😉

Need I mention Kirk and the gang ran into Harry Mudd no less than three times?

Yeah I guess, I just miss the TOS and early TNG days I guess where when Kirk or Picard would talk to someone at Starfleet command it would always be someone we had never heard of before, it just made Star Fleet feel so big. Still you are right about Mudd.

Oh yeah that would be the best way to deal with Janeway I guess. If you want to have a good laugh do a google search for SF Debris’ review of Nemesis and check out his version of that scene playing out and how he explains Janeway being an Admiral, it’s great. 😃