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#1183633
Topic
The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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RogueLeader said:

This isn’t something totally necessary, but I noticed two minor things that I thought could be easily fixed. Though I’m curious if anyone else noticed these, or thinks it even requires these additions.

When R2 is showing Luke the original hologram, Luke calls it a cheap move, then R2 turns to give Luke a look. It cuts back to Luke, who returns to watching the hologram, and it then cuts back to the hologram, which is in the same place as before, even though we didn’t see R2 turn his head back around. I think it would be nice if R2’s head motor-sound could be added during the Luke shot, implying R2 turned his head back around. Not at all necessary but I thought it’d be a nice touch.

A similar situation, when we are introduced to DJ, we first see him with his jacket collar popped up. In the next shot of him, though, it is popped down. Also not a big deal, but I thought one could add foley of folding leather or cloth in the inbetween shot of Finn & Rose to help with this.

I think at least adding the R2 sound would be simple enough, but then again maybe it would draw more attention to the continuity issues.

You have a keen eye! By the way, only douchebags pop up their collars, so that should have been a clue to Finn and Rose right there.

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#1176075
Topic
The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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A nice plan. I like that you’re not making the film completely devoid of humor (too many people apparantly hate fun), while removing the jokes that don’t make sense, like Kylo’s cowl or the BB-ST (how did he get in the cockpit?) How about adding a joke - a porg getting impaled by Luke’s lightsaber when the other one plays with it? 😃

As for Snoke’s death scene, how about keeping his dialogue intact but removing the shot of Luke’s lightsaber being turned?

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#1171950
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

I agree. The heart of the movie was the interplay between Luke, Rey, Kylo and Snoke. And almost all of it worked for me. That’s why I like the movie overall, despite the fact I felt the other storylines were flawed and dragged it down somewhat. Whatever you think about the plot holes of the space chase or Finn’s prequely adventures on Canto Bight, you’re ought to love the movie if you feel the story of the “Force” characters were satisfying, and hate it if you don’t.

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#1170086
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

A well conceived crawl. After thinking about it, I agree that the brother/sister angle is unnecessary. I like how evocative ‘war hero Leia Organa’ is, but I would wonder why she seems to have so little power given that everyone we see has a high opinion of her.

Calling Snoke a ‘mysterious leader’ makes it even more apparent that we should learn more about him during the movie, which of course never happens. I feel like going in the other direction and making him simply a power-hungry warlord would be the best option, that way nobody expects a twist that never arrives (unless JJ pulls something in Ep 9).

Other than that, it’s a propulsive and exciting crawl.

Thanks! You are right about Snoke. I feel JJ is going to try to provide some explanation. Having seen the conclusion of Lost, I think it will suck. :\ By the way, I don’t really want to know his backstory. I want to know how he originally tempted Ben while he was training, before Luke first sensed darkness in him. I hope for some Kylo flashbacks about this, rather than some big time Snoke origin reveal.

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#1170085
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

Here I’ve set it at 75% in the first scene and 35% in the scene that follows, so that it appears that dawn is breaking: https://vimeo.com/239303723
Password: Finn

I also mocked up a terminator line on the planet during the TIE escape to continue with the continuity, and found a place where the Apocalypse TIE shot actually makes sense.

This version of events requires Rey and BB-8 at Niima outpost to happen after this section, but I’ve got a version of events that works fairly well, and is more realistic in some ways than the original film:

-Poe arrives on the Finalizer, Finn is accosted by Phasma
-Poe is interrogated
-Rey’s day and finding of BB-8
-The Rescue
-Hux sends the squad to the wreckage
-Apocalypse TIEs
-Hux and Kylo bicker (work in progress)
-Finn awakens/sees Niima outpost
-Rey arrives at Niima with BB-8/Plutt bargains for the droid
-Finn arrives at Niima.

This solves the strange editing in the original where Plutt calls for some goons to beat up Rey and then we have to wait for Finn to rescue Poe, get knocked out, come to, run 20 minutes to the TIE, and walk for hours to Niima before the goons find Rey.

I hope you’re still planning to do this resequencing. I may have a suggestion. To indicate the passage of a bit of time between Phasma scolding Finn and Kylo interrogating Poe, how about using an exterior shot of the Finalizer that would otherwise be cut from this edit. It’s the one preceding Kylo’s monologue to Darth Vader’s helmet. Although it would require quite a bit of work to remove SKB from the background.

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#1170021
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Collipso said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

The last of the Jedi Knights has
vanished. In his absence, the
NEW REPUBLIC is blind to the
menacing threat emerging from
the remote fringes of the galaxy.

A mysterious leader has unified
the remnants of the fallen
Empire under the banner of the
FIRST ORDER and resolved to
build the deadliest weapon the
galaxy has ever seen.

The only force standing in their
way is a brave RESISTANCE led
by the war hero Leia Organa.
Desperate for allies, the vigilant
general has dispatched her best
pilot to find traces of last Jedi…

I quite like it. Even though I know you followed most of this, here’s a very good and interesting guideline:

SparkySywer said:

Something I wanna include though is my pet peeves on the language of the crawl. ANH and ESB follow all these rules, and RotJ follows most of them. The prequels and the sequels break a lot of them, but since they’re prequels and sequels, they’re not really good examples of what Star Wars is.

Rules:
-There are three paragraphs.
-The first paragraph has one short sentence, and one long sentence. (Broken by RotJ)
-The other two paragraphs are one long sentence each.
-The last paragraph ends in an ellipsis.
-This ellipsis is 4 dotted. (Broken by RotJ)
-The first paragraph gives a general description of the state of the galaxy, the second paragraph gives a more relevant description of the state of the galaxy, and the third paragraph describes the opening scene. (Broken by RotJ, but it doesn’t stray too far)
-Maximum one capitalized phrase in the crawl.
-This capitalized phrase covers important, new information central to the more specific plot of the movie (Broken by RotJ, but again it doesn’t stray too far)

Thank you! To be honest, I wasn’t aware of these rules conciously. Funnily enough, the forum engine auto-corrects my four-dot ellipsis to three dots. 😃

As for the capitalization, I blindly followed the ways of the theatrical crawl. Now that I checked them, TESB, TPM and ROTS don’t seem to have anything capitalized at all. Ironically, if I had to chose one thing to capitalize in this version it would be “LAST JEDI” at the end. Or nothing at all, a la Empire. Or all three, as a small homage to the theatrical crawl.

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#1170010
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I wrote one that leaves out Luke’s name and all references to him being Leia’s brother. The sibling reference in the theatrical crawl actually confused a friend of mine who had never seen a Star Wars movie before. She didn’t understand how an Organa, who married a Solo, could be the sister of a Skywalker. 😄 By the way, the sibling relationship is not mentioned in the movie at all.

On the other hand, I have abandoned the “Palpatine’s first order” theme. Instead, this version emphasises the role of the First Order’s “mysterious leader”. First time viewers might think it’s Kylo Ren, as he is the first leader-like figure we see. Then it’s a bit of a twist when they learn it’s actually the Supreme Leader, who is no less mysterious. This mystery won’t amount to much in TLJ, but it might work well within the context of TFA, especially if his name will be cut in this project.

I also avoided describing the SKB’s ability to devour stars. The audience is going to see that anyway. Why not just give them a clue that it’s more devastating than the Death Stars?

Of course, it’s NeverarGreat’s edit so he is going to decide whether he keeps the “Palpatine’s First Order concept” or not, But I LOVE writing crawls and this thread got me thinking. It’s a neat idea that explains the awkward name JJ came up with for this faction and the timeframe of SKB’s construction, but I wonder if it contributes much to the film.

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

The last of the Jedi Knights has
vanished. In his absence, the
NEW REPUBLIC is blind to the
menacing threat emerging from
the remote fringes of the galaxy.

A mysterious leader has unified
the remnants of the fallen
Empire under the banner of the
FIRST ORDER and resolved to
build the deadliest weapon the
galaxy has ever seen.

The only force standing in their
way is a brave RESISTANCE led
by the war hero Leia Organa.
Desperate for allies, the vigilant
general has dispatched her best
pilot to find traces of last Jedi…

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#1169328
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Just joining in on the fun.

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished.
Without the last Jedi, the NEW
REPUBLIC is unaware that the
evil legacy of the long dead
Emperor is emerging from the
remote fringes of the galaxy.

Founded on his FIRST ORDER
long before his fall, a loyal
legion has been working on a
hidden weapon that can devour
entire stars. The sinister army
escaped the fall of the Empire
and plots its return to power.

Only Luke’s sister, Leia Organa
has the foresight to mobilize a
covert RESISTANCE. She has
sent her best pilot to find traces
of her lost brother, now her only
hope for a galaxy in peril…

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#1169272
Topic
TFA: A Gentle Restructure
Time

Hal 9000 said:

Since TFA establishes that they discovered the location of the Resistance base and TLJ relies on that, seems better to keep that plot point if at all possible. V1 felt off, and it was in part due to the Resistance just keeping on their attack for seemingly no reason when they ought to retreat. V2’s structure lets the movie stick closer to the theatrical TFA while keeping all the intended gains. I suppose one could make an argument for the ‘revenge’ angle, but I feel it’s more complete the way we did it for V2.

Why WOULDN’T the Resistance keep on attacking? If anything, they would be more motivated to complete their mission after witnessing the destructive power (or at least the immense firepower) of SKB first hand. Why would they retreat from trying to destroy the thing that has just been confirmed to be the biggest threat the galaxy has ever seen? I really don’t think there needs be a justification for this. How would even the Resistance recon even learn in the heat of the battle that the FO is recharging the base?

This is one of the few issues I have with the restructure (which, make no mistake, I absolutely adore). It makes a bold move to remove a major similarity with A New Hope: the imminent danger to the Rebel base from the superweapon that they are currently attacking. And by tying two tragic events beautifully and making the final mission only a partial success, it pulls this ambition off with more than flying colors. Only to return to the very premise it wanted to avoid a few seconds after…

As for the TLJ tie-in, the movie never clarifies how the Resistance had been exposed, just the fact that it was. In fact, I think any potential fan-edit of TLJ would benefit from implying that at least a few weeks had passed between the the two movies, as opposed to mere hours. And that would be helped by removing the line that the FO had followed the Resistance recon ship to the Illenium system.

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#1166265
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Sir Ridley said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

Yes, and that is unnecessary. The artificial gravity within the bomber is enough to give the bombs an initial velocity once they are released to propel them towards the target, as Mrebo already pointed it out.

That’s how real space works, but Star Wars space is special. Star Wars spaceships apparently need to keep their engines/boosters on at all times just like airplanes. If “initial velocity” was a thing in Star Wars then spaceships would only need engines for accelerating and turning. Maybe there’s some kind of air in Star Wars space that creates resistance. The force is supposedly all around, so maybe even the vacuum of space is filled with midichlorians, eh? 😉

And we have to assume that initial velocity isn’t a thing or some plot holes would pop up. If the bombs didn’t use magnetism and could rely on initial velocity then the bombers could be much further away to reduce risk of being attacked. And ships wouldn’t have to worry as much about fuel which is a big plot point in TLJ. In a space chase in zero gravity and zero resistance it would still be beneficial to keep the engines running, but this would lead to constantly increasing speeds which doesn’t seem to be what’s happening.

Midichlorian “air” resistance is going to be my head canon now (“that’s not how the force works!”), but it’s probably best to not worry too much about Star Wars physics.

It’s true, but then again, I originally came up with the initial velocity defense to defend the film when arguing with colleagues who nitpicked the whole bombing scene. I didn’t really think through the ramifications it would have. Anyway, the midichlorian space resistance theory is really elegant one. 😃

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#1165839
Topic
Questions about FX in fan edits and the Starkiller Base
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Valheru_84 said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Sir Ridley said:

I don’t see how the beam could enter hyperspace partway through. The speed of the beam should come from how fast it is pushed out from the weapon, unlike a ship which propels itself forward and can enter hyperspace using its hyperdrive.

I agree, it is a stretch. A big one. But I don’t see any other way to reconcile two things: 1, the plasma beam being fired from SKB and hitting the targeted planets visibly and clearly at a sublight speed and 2, it travelling across the galaxy almost instantaneously. In my head, SBK has some sort of tunelling device that creates a hyperspace wormhole, the “entrance” of which is near the origin and the “exit” near the destination.

I think if it was the SKB itself creating a lightspeed tunnel or wormhole that the beam enters and exits, this is a lot more believable. Also if the SKB has the capacity to compress an entire star into itself / its “modulating capacitors” (or whatever the explanation was again for being able to do this), you could say the SKB has the capacity to also use this energy in a further compressed form to generate a small black hole like wormhole out front of it that links to just outside of the destination they want to fire on, providing the means for the energy beam to pass through within the time shown in the original movie.

The fact that the star itself does not have enough mass to form a black hole yet the SKB can suck it in from that distance and compress it that much speaks to the power of SKB and its potential for other uses of that power.

Val

I like this explanation also.

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#1165763
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

Yes, and that is unnecessary. The artificial gravity within the bomber is enough to give the bombs an initial velocity once they are released to propel them towards the target, as Mrebo already pointed it out.

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#1165731
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Collipso said:

He wasn’t justifying, he’s just showing that he didn’t invent it for those who were criticizing him for taking force powers out of his ass.

So he wasn’t justifying, he was showing evidence to prove his detractors were wrong about one of his decisions. Got it.

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#1165693
Topic
Questions about FX in fan edits and the Starkiller Base
Time

NeverarGreat said:

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2017/07/tiny-new-star

Interesting tidbit:
Smallest Star

It’s an ultracool M-dwarf star, slightly bigger than Saturn, so if we assume that Starkiller Base is about the same size as Earth, that would bring this into the realm of the comprehensible:
Saturn and Earth

Very interesting! The diversity of stars in the universe is breathtaking, from this one to the uncombrehensible hypergiants.

By the color of the star Starkiller Base is draining, and how it appears in the sky from the planet’s surface, I always assumed it was a yellow, type G main sequence star. However, it could be argued that it’s an orange or red dwarf, and SKB is orbiting relatively close to it.

Now that I think about it, it’s also peculiar that once the star is half way drained, it appears even whiter than originally. Shouldn’t it get redder as it’s losing mass and heat…?

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#1163136
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

If hyperspace is a fifth dimension, why would Han to worry about flying into a star are too close to a supernova?

This is why official canon is dumb. Just go by what you see on the screen.

Well, for what it’s worth, Starwars.com provides this explanation:

“Hyperdrives allow starships to travel faster than the speed of light, crossing space through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. Large objects in normal space cast “mass shadows” in hyperspace, so hyperspace jumps must be precisely calculated to avoid collisions.”

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#1162979
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

I’m new an I admit I haven’t read all 109 pages of this thread. So apologies if this was already said/discussed. But I have three points about things that don’t make sense in The Last Jedi.

  1. Surviving for a minute or two in vacuum doesn’t require any Force powers, most humans are capable of it, however, with serious physical injuries. Pulling yourself towards an object in zero gravity and vacuum requires a very, very, very small amount of Force use, probably a lot less than pulling a lightsaber out of the snow.

  2. Spaceships in Star Wars have artificial gravity. If I drop an object within a spacehip, say, a cluster of bombs, it will fall towards the bottom of the spaceship. If it falls out of the spaceship, it will already have an initial velocity that will continue to propel it along its trajectory (albeit without any acceleration).

  3. Spaceships in hyperspace, at least according to Wookiepedia/Canon, are in another dimension. Supposedly, they cannot interact with objects in “realspace”. However, there is a second or so when they are transitioning from realspace to hyperspace. During this transition, we see elongated stars aboard the spaceships, and the elongated image of the spaceship accelerating suddenly from outside the vessel. Maybe, if you can calculate the exact time and realspace distance required for this transition, you can turn your spaceship into a devastating weapon that smashes into its target at the end of this transition period, when at least a part of it is still in realspace, but is already accelerated to relativistic speeds. However, this is difficult to weaponize, because you have to get relatively close to your target and be very exact in your calculations.