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#1090356
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Yoda and Palpatine NEVER should have been given lightsabers.
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Amano said:

In an ideal PT Maul shouldn’t have used light sabers either and Dooku shouldn’t have used force lightning.

The way it is now is so inconsistent with the OT. Vader and Dooku are fallen Yedi. Why would Dooku be able to use force lightning when Vader obviously couldn’t in the OT (and RO)? Despite the facts that there was more time between the PT and the OT than between TPM and AOTC and Vader beeing the chosen one and Dooku not.

Vader can’t use force lightning because it would fry his suit. That’s literally what killed him.

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#1089456
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When Did The Star Wars Prequels Become Cool?
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Rogue One was awful. I find it even less watchable than the other prequels, if not “worse” as a film. At least they weren’t just fucking boring. At least they were unique. At least they were memorable, with memorable moments and memorable characters. At least they actually felt like Stat Wars and didn’t feel like some generic shitty sci-fi would-be flop that just happened to have a Star Wars skin on it.

The fact that Rogue One has a terrible, rushed score from some random composer rather than a John Williams score is enough to demonstrate just how un-Star Wars this film really is. It’s dull, drab, and dreary. Star Wars films are supposed to be full of excitement, color, and life. Things Rogue One had zero of. Only thing it had less of was characters with personality, characters the audience related to and were invested in, and a story that was interesting and unpredictable. It did have a lot of cringeworthy and forced fan service though, I’ll give it that.

I don’t give a damn how “adult” the movie is, because adult movies can still suck. If anything it’s the opposite of what I look for when I watch Star Wars anyway, which is to revive the child inside me for a moment. Rogue One killed him.

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#1088463
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Warbler said:

They should have just stuck with the Tobey Maguire version and connected that to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Those movies were pretty good(with exception of the 3rd).

This was the only chance I would see the movie, if they did this. It was a brilliant idea. It would have retained some continuity with the only good Spider-Man movies (the first two – second one was one of the best superhero movies ever) and skipped out on the origin (and if they are indeed not showing that, it makes even less sense for him to be in high school) and all the teenage angst BS. Christ, it would have been different for a change!

Ironically, the only way for Marvel to really be original with this movie was to go back so they could move forward with new plots and ideas. Adult, married Spider-Man is a completely untapped aspect of the character on film and fits in much better with the other Marvel heroes. But no, they cast yet another fucking high school aged British brat in it instead.

I can’t imagine anything I want to see less than another Spider-Man movie about a “nerdy” teen learning how to superhero while dealing with high school problems (second reboot with this concept within five years!), let alone one intertwined with the incredibly repetitive and increasingly obnoxious and convoluted MCU. It would be hard enough to get me to spend my limited filmgoing money on either type of film these days. Making it both instantly made me lose any and all interest I might have had in this movie. I doubt I’ll even see it when it’s available to rent, no matter how good the reviews are, because I just do not care and absolutely nothing could make me.

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#1086657
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Reasons why TFA and RO are the same movie.
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People here are actually nitpicking about the precise meaning of “the same” as though it is literally intended to mean exactly the same, and are apparently doing so as a means of avoiding confronting the very strong overall points you make or engaging in any kind of serious discussion about them. What a surprise.

People can keep their heads in the sand all they want, but I’ve been saying for a while now that Disney’s Star Wars (like Disney’s Marvel) has a very strict formula it is going to continue to follow until it has milked it for all it’s worth. The result is that, like the endless stream of comic book movies, all the new Star Wars movies that come out each year are going to feel like they are essentially the same movie. It may not be a bad movie, but it is the same movie, and it will get old. The magic of Star Wars will be sucked dry, and the excitement around the release of each new film increasingly diluted. You can have too much of a good thing.

And for me, Rogue One wasn’t even a good thing. I genuinely enjoy watching the prequels more, if for nothing else than “so bad it’s good” value. This movie was just fucking boring and brought absolutely nothing new or interesting to the table for me. I’ll reserve final judgment until I see them, but if it is indeed an indicator of the direction Star Wars is going (especially the EU/“anthology” films), that’s a worrying sign for the coming films.

Movies made annually for the sole purpose of exploiting a financially lucrative property rather than out of any kind of creative impulse are not art. I’m sorry, but they just aren’t. And their appeal to me is very limited. If a day comes when I don’t even bother seeing the new Star Wars movie because they’ve just become so fucking endless and bland, that will be a sad day for me.

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#1084004
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Didn't darth maul original die differently?
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BigMcLargeHuge said:

Not that I NEEDED more reason to hate the silly, mediocre fan-fic that is the nuEU

I hope you’re not implying that the original EU wasn’t also silly, mediocre fan-fic…

Also, since Darth Maul surviving was in the TV series, it’s technically not EU at all.

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#1081820
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What is the symbolic nature behind the Han Solo/Lando Calrissean "It's Not My Fault!" line?
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I think the Luke/Leia thing very obviously was foreshadowing, or at least a hint. Maybe they hadn’t decided definitively that was the road they were going down yet, but this more than conveniently left a strong opening for it. No one will convince me it wasn’t at least thought of at the time. The fact that she alone senses Luke in a very similar way to Vader in the same scene is too much to be a coincidence.

As for the Lando and Han line, pretty sure it’s only to emphasize how similar the characters are in terms of personality and background.

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#1072631
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2016 High-Res Star Wars Soundtracks
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Just FYI, “high res audio” is a fraud, a marketing gimmick based on pseudoscience. It is not physically possible to hear frequencies that high. A standard CD already captures everything within human hearing range and then some, after you’ve reached the age you’re likely to care about audio quality your hearing won’t even be able to reach that, and the vast majority of music does not make use of anywhere near the dynamic range supposedly offered by this “higher resolution.” All it does is waste disk space. It’s useful only in studios for purely technical reasons, utterly useless for the end consumer.

This explains it better than I could:

https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

As for Star Wars, I would advise seeking out the 1993 anthology CD set for the best sound and more complete versions of the OUT soundtracks.

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#1072517
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Star Wars Negatives and Interpositives
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Last I heard, back in '97 they did “conform” the negatives to the SEs, but they did NOT destroy the original frames they replaced. They did in fact preserve them. They simply spliced them out and spliced the new frames into the negative. That’s why it is both true that the O-neg is “conformed” to the SE and that everything is preserved.

Regardless, we know for a fact that there is nothing stopping them from restoring the originals. Not only should everything from the original negative be preserved in one form or another, but even if it wasn’t, lower generation copies certainly still exist. There really is no excuse, even if it wouldn’t be absolutely perfect. If fans here can make acceptable versions with only publicly released materials (well, until the 35mm scans anyway - but even with just the upscaled GOUT it was OK), then they certainly can make better versions with the resources at their disposal no matter what condition the original negatives are in.

Bottom line is there is zero technical excuse for them not to do it. Films that were in far, far worse shape or come from far, far weaker sources that have far, far less demand have been meticulously restored. No reason whatsoever not to do it here.

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#1071793
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Why Didn't Qui Gon Gin's Body Disappear Like Obiwan's and Yoda's?
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TV’s Frink said:

Density said:

I think I read somewhere that in the original ROTJ novelization (which I believe was supposed to be canon, might be wrong and not sure if it still is even if it was), Vader does disappear and Luke does only burn his suit.

That wouldn’t explain anything because we see Vader die on-screen and he doesn’t disappear immediately, unlike Obi-Wan and Yoda.

Obi-Wan disappeared more immediately than Yoda, who kind of faded away slowly after he took his last breath whereas Obi-Wan was gone instantly before the lightsaber even went all the way through him. So that’s already inconsistent. You can come up with some sort of convoluted Lucas logic to explain why Vader might take even longer, like the residual functioning of the suit kept his heart pumping or the Force had to take extra time to sort out his soul because he was Vader and the chosen one or whatever bullshit. We don’t actually see his corpse for long. It’s plausible that he disappears right after the scene cuts. Point is it makes at least a little more sense than him just not disappearing at all.

I guess the other explanation could be that something about the cremation ritual would allow both Vader and Qui-Gon to become force ghosts, like only if the body is gone can you be a ghost. If that is the case, then perhaps that is the “secret” Qui-Gon discovered and passed on to Obi-Wan and Yoda, who then used the Force in their last moments to will their bodies to disappear so they could live on as ghosts. (Which is consistent with the meditation stance Obi-Wan appears to take right before he dies, like he is putting all of his remaining energy into something.) But it wasn’t necessary for Vader since he was cremated anyway.

That only really works though if the Jedi did not routinely use cremation and Qui-Gon was an exception for some reason. If they did, you would think there would be lots of other dead Jedi ghosts who would have communicated with the living at some point. But I don’t know what else makes Qui-Gon so special, and is also consistent with Vader becoming a force ghost despite not disappearing on-screen. The fact that both were cremated is all they have in common, and the thing that all the known force ghosts have in common is that their bodies dissolved somehow, either by incineration or evaporation.

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#1071789
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Why Didn't Qui Gon Gin's Body Disappear Like Obiwan's and Yoda's?
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I think I read somewhere that in the original ROTJ novelization (which I believe was supposed to be canon, might be wrong and not sure if it still is even if it was), Vader does disappear and Luke does only burn his suit. It’s still possible that it happens off-screen in the film, though I don’t know why they wouldn’t show that and I also think I read somewhere that they originally did intend to. My guess it that perhaps they wanted it to be a surprise when he appears to Luke at the end.

As for Qui-Gon, no clue. Lucas probably didn’t intend for him to be a force ghost when filming TPM, but then he felt compelled to overexplain everything in ROTS so he made Qui-Gon the “original” force ghost Obi-Wan “learned” it from. Which is stupid and takes away from the mysticism of the originals like many other things in the prequels. The whole “I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine” thing worked better in the originals as it was. And the fact that Vader looked surprised when Obi-Wan disappears means he did not know about this “technique” and it’s doubtful he somehow “learned” it before he died, so it would have made a lot more sense if they just made it a spiritual thing only accessible to the most powerful Jedi with the strongest connection to the force, not something they had to consciously learn.

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#1069525
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How Do I Explain "Slave Leia" To My Kids? Any Ideas?
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This may be TMI, but, uh, this ignited my first ever “feelings” as a kid. Didn’t understand them, but still I could instinctively tell on some level that it was sexual even though I had no idea what sex was. It’s just nature.

And you know what? I say if that happens let it happen. Like someone said, it’s part of growing up. Gotta be “awoken” at some time. If you’re just concerned about their not understanding it and questioning you, I would probably tell them the truth, without needing to get too explicit about it, if they ask - that Jabba was cruelly exploiting and humiliating Leia because he’s evil and twisted. I wouldn’t be shy about the fact that sometimes bad men do these things to women particularly as well. Again you don’t have to go into detail, but it’s an important thing to learn.

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#1066480
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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SilverWook said:

Density said:

SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

Just like the OOT had to be changed to conform to three movies made two decades later. Whatever. 😉

A date being slightly changed in an on-screen text epilogue in a film that I don’t really care about is pretty different to me from throwing Hayden Christensen into one of the defining films of my childhood. I literally could not possibly care less about the former and don’t think it’s the same thing at all.

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#1066476
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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SilverWook said:
At this point, if I’m still alive in 2020, I will be very surprised.
And what’s to keep them from yanking the football away once again three years from now, in Lucy Van Pelt-ian glee? Not getting any younger here. 😉

Oh there’s no guaranteeing they won’t. I would not put it past them. Maybe it will be 2023 when the whole trilogy is 40 years old. Maybe everything will be VR by the time it comes out. Maybe they will wait until George dies. Maybe they never will and we’ll forever have to cling to these preservations until we all die out. In any case, at this point I would just say we shouldn’t count on anything. I was so sure it was going to happen this year and be announced this week and then… It wasn’t. That was it for me. That was my last “hope” for Disney, gone. I just don’t care anymore. I’m just glad this site is around.

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#1066475
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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flametitan said:

If you go to other Star Wars communities (Reddit specifically in my example), what I end up seeing are people who know the SE was changed, but want a cut that reverts the meme changes (Han Solo shooting first, NOOOOOOO!) but retains some of the more drastic changes (like the CGI fighters, Hayden as Anakin’s ghost, nevermind some people don’t seem to realize anything’s wrong with the colour grading)

I.E. the Star Wars community seems to want Revisted, not the OOT.

Yeah, that’s another thing. The younglings who grew up on and like the SEs and prequels, who populate reddit and TFN and other boards… They represent a larger slice of the SW fan base now than this site does. The fact is the SEs in one form or another have now been around as long as the originals were pre-SE. Longer, in fact, in the case of ESB and ROTJ.

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#1066472
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

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#1066465
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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SilverWook said:

People are also illegally selling Harmy’s work on Ebay. If that doesn’t prove there’s a market…

Look, I have no doubt that there is a market. In fact I’ve stated repeatedly that there is, that it would sell and that Disney would turn a profit on it. That’s not up for debate. Studios release decent restorations of archive films all the time with much more niche audiences. There’s no doubt this would dwarf them in sells. But that’s not the question. The question, from Disney’s perspective, is whether it’s worth bothering with until:

A. They have all the rights.
B. They are done milking their own, more lucrative new trilogy.

So like I and a few others here have said, 2020 looks like the new goalpost.

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#1066463
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

If that’s the only change then I’m absolutely fine with it. Sure it might be better for the sake of preservation to include the unaltered shot as an option, but if you’re really that interested you can see it right there. The lower shot is definitely vastly superior, CGI or not.

And as for extra scenes, well, I’ve never seen the theatrical so I can’t say for certain if they were detrimental or not. But if they were added in the late 70’s when George still had his marbles, and if they were originally only cut by the studio for time purposes because they didn’t trust George fully pre-SW as with THX, then I’m sure they’re fine.

I’ve only seen the movie once though. It was good but I would hardly say I’m a fan of it the way I am Star Wars, and clearly that is the case for most others. So even if there were significant changes, they would not attract as much attention or be as important to me or most other people.

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#1066462
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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nickyd47 said:

If you type “unaltered” into Google, the first or second search suggestion is “unaltered Star Wars” so I guess a lot of people do want it. I don’t think it’s a fringe of people

I don’t see why that means anything. Just because comparatively more people are searching for unaltered Star Wars compared to unaltered… anything else, that doesn’t mean that the people seeking it out at all aren’t still a minority. There are not many other films that are in the same situation in which the unaltered versions are unavailable, let alone films with as big a fan base as Star Wars, let alone films with alterations as controversial. So yeah, it’s not surprising that is a common search term or that a number of people are interested, but it’s still a very small number relative to the wider Star Wars fan base. Even most of those who are aware of it don’t typically care about it that much compared to the users of this site.

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#1066426
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

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#1066158
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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crissrudd4554 said:
If they really wanna be smart they should include both versions. Either camp is gonna be angered that one is included and not the other so you lose sales right there. Having both at least guarantees a certain percentage of both camps will take a bite. Many SE fans are angered by the coloring of the current sets so having the same SE restored will interest them while the OUT people will finally have their wish.

Honest question: Is there such a thing as an SE “camp?” It seems to me that most either don’t know or care about the difference or prefer the OUT if they do. I’ve seen very few people actually straight-up defend the SEs as superior to the originals, save for a few of the TFN nuts I mentioned who would defend George if he released a 2 hour film of himself taking a shit. But I imagine you might be right in that while any SE fans out there are content now, they might be pissed if it is excluded from a re-release. The younglings who grew up on these films could therefore get to experience the same outrage we did. Or maybe they would just recognize the OUT as superior, who knows? Only one way to find out: Release it!

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#1066157
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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nightstalkerpoet said:
Casual movie fans almost always prefer a release with Theatrical and Director’s Cuts (which is far more accurate than the Special Edition moniker it has been given.) Two for the price of 1, awesome! I didn’t even know there were two versions, I gotta try it out.

Most of the time, casual movie fans don’t care or know the difference. In my experience if they even realize there are multiple cuts, they tend to just automatically assume the latest or “director’s” cut is better. Which, in fairness, it often is. Star Wars is a major exception.

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#1066135
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Celebration 2017 Speculation
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DominicCobb said:

I honestly don’t think George’s beating heart has jack shit to do with any of it, I doubt anyone cares about “not releasing the originals out of respect to him” and the idea some have floated that it might have been in the deal he signed with Disney is simply ludicrous.

Ultimately, I think the real enemy here is simply just apathy and indifference.

I felt the exact same way until now. But who the fuck knows anymore? Something is holding them back. I don’t think that’s the biggest factor but it could be a factor.

And as for apathy and indifference, well, yeah. That’s kind of my point. They don’t care enough to do it because they don’t see the reward as worth the effort. If every single Star Wars fan boycotted the next movie and any future releases until the OUT came out, then they would get off their asses and have it out faster than you can believe. But for the moment they have no reason to care. They know they are still going to bring home billions regardless, so they have much higher priorities as I said. Once they get those out of the way and farther down the list, once the “OMG NEW STAR WARS!!!” craze dies down and they have incidentally gained all the distribution rights they are going to get, only then may we see something.

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