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#269159
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KOTOR III....maybe in 2008
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There have been rumors that Bioware has taken up the task of developing KOTOR 3, which is great news for those that didn’t like KOTOR 2.

I personally loved both KOTOR games, between the four members of my family we have about 60 KOTOR saves and over 100 KOTOR 2 saves. There are more KPTOR 2 save just because you really had to play the game four time (LS Male, LS Female, DS Male, DS Female) to get the full impact of the game. I also really enjoyed the influence system in KOTOR 2.

I’ll be the first to admit that KOTOR was a more complete game than the sequel. That had more to do with Lucas than it did Obsidian. Lucas Arts wanted KOTOR 2 finished in time for the holidays and that pushed up the release by about 3 to 6 months. The result was a game that had an incomplete storyline and was full of bugs. I think KOTOR 2 could’ve been spectacular just based on what I’ve seen of the cut material. It was set to be very dark and very discouraging just like ESB was. Then the deadline was moved up and the fleshed out storylines and endings for most of the characters were replaced by Kreia’s predictions. There was a great deal cut including:

- An entire planet that was the base of operations for the assassin droids. The removal of this planet resulted in an incomplete HK-50 sub-plot as well as reduced stories for HK-47, T3 and GO-TO.
- Violent endings for most of the Exile’s companions based on influence. So if you were LS and had high influence with Brianna Visas would kill her out of jealousy.
- Areas in the Military Base on Telos and on Nar Shadda were removed.
- The list goes on, look up the KOTOR 2 restoration project for more details.

It’s unfortunate that economics figure so prominently into game development. The sad truth is that a more respected developer like Bioware would’ve had the clout to tell Lucas Arts to hold their horses, but Obsidian was not a mature developer when KOTOR 2 hit the streets. NO matter who develops KPTPR 3 I hope they are given ample time to finish the project. I’d rather wait a few extra months for a complete game than have a buggy game a little early.
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#238629
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Star Wars: 30th Anniversary (2007 - New Box-set)
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: RobinHood
Interesting news from www.thedigitalbits.com
We don't expect high-definition versions yet, as those formats are just too new.

Especially when considering that it gives yet another opportunity for Lucas to rape your wallet a few more years down the line.

Wasn't Lucasfilm supposed to be on the cutting edge of technology? How far the mighty have fallen ...


For me that’s even more reason to avoid getting the 2007 DVDs even if they include the OOT. I’m hopeful that eventually all six films will be released in HD, but at this point with no clear winner in the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray battle that would be a stupid move anyway.

Hey wait a minute; that gives me an idea of how George can fuck fan-boys in the ass even harder. It involves 4 steps in the next 18 months:

Step 1: Release the old DVDs in September with a sub-par copy of the OOT so that die-hard OT fans like me will clear inventory of the shitty 2004 DVDs.

Step 2: Release the 30th Anniversary 12 disc super-pimp set, perhaps without the OOT even as a special feature and get cash from the CG gusher fans. More changes are set for this collection as was mentioned earlier.

Step 3: Release a Special Edition HD-DVD set with new changes that differ from those on the 2007 SD-DVD set.

Step 4: Release a Special Edition Blu-Ray set with new changes that differ from those on the 2007 SD-DVD set AND the aforementioned HD-DVD set.

In this way George can screw over big time fan-boys at least 4 times in a year and a half.

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#236454
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Remember the mass advertising of TPM?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape Why is it that mothers always want to throw things out?


As Zion said it is in their job description or at least it is for most of them. The only other option is the “pack rat” mom such as my wife and most grandmothers I know. They keep everything so when you go to look at your old boxed up Star Wars figures they either a) can’t be found or b) are crushed under old books and shit with the once pristine packages crushed. But I’m not bitter or anything.

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#236065
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I actually have something intelligent to say.
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Originally posted by: boris

Am I the only one who thinks BatShitKeith is going to give up on this and resort to a life of crime? "Come on guys, cocaine is the shit! You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money!!!!!!!"


Pure Interweb GOLD. That’s the funniest fucking statement I’ve read all day.

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#236042
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George Lucas and Ed Wood OR The Alignment of the Stars
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Originally posted by: SKot
I am of the opinion that Lucas would do better work if he was restrained by budget and technology like he was with the original Star Wars. In this way, he'd have to work a lot harder and do a much better job with the story to make it work.

For example: give a kid everything they could possibly want to play with and they tend to get spoiled and lose their imagination and creativity, whereas a poor kid with fewer toys has to use his imagination to create things out of what's within his grasp.

--SKot


I think that’s an excellent example SKot.

Think about the PT in comparison to many of the movies that came out during the same (1999-2005) time period. Everything in the PT is CG; no miniatures, almost no sets and only a few crappy make-up jobs. I just wonder if 10 seconds of CG could’ve been spared from AOTC to get Ewan a decent fake beard for the Obi-Wan re-shoots? Even the big budget films of the era were restrained in their CG use compared to the PT. The LOTR series, Spiderman and the X-Men films all used CGI, but they used props and make-up and sets as well. Watching Coruscant in the PT hurts my eyes after a while because it’s just CG from a hard drive. Meanwhile I can look at Middle Earth all fucking day because I know it’s just New Zeeland. When I watch AOTC I can only think about switching the video signal and playing KOTOR. When I watch LOTR IF I think about anything beyond the story I think about buying real estate in Auckland. I only use big budget films to illustrate that one can still spend a great deal of money and not go to the ridiculous extremes of the PT films. When one compares quality low-budget films to the PT the difference is even more drastic.

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#236031
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Remember the mass advertising of TPM?
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I was in Germany and Italy during the lead up to TPM so I missed most of the merchandising. Regardless of that fact there was still quite a bit of merchandise that showed up at the Post Exchange in Wiesbaden. When AOTC came out I was back in the States so I did see the merchandising that accompanied that film, but it wasn’t any worse than the SE merchandise in 1997. I don’t doubt that there was quite a bit of hype leading up to TPM; I just can’t pass judgment on it because I was not in a position to observe the marketing blitz personally.

To be fair I can also remember collectable Burger King drinking glasses for ESB and ROTJ.
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#235993
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I actually have something intelligent to say.
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Originally posted by: BadAssKeith
Originally posted by: SKot
Actually Keith, I think you've got a better chance of getting Bush impeached than pulling off your lawsuit idea.

Give it up... it ain't gonna happen, and none of us are gonna back you on this.

--SKot


But you guys are missing out on an opportunity to make lots of money, make Lucas lose a lot of his money and bad to the entire world!


I’m going to try and be nice about this.

First the idea of using a lawsuit to make money is fundamentally un-American and is damaging to the Justice System. This is why health insurance costs are so high in this country. If a doctor sews a scalpel inside you during a surgery that’s a pretty good reason to sue, but there’s no need to sue just because you don’t like his bedside manor. If we had a real legitimate legal beef against GL then you would probably get a great deal of support. George is a greedy bastard and he’s turned his back on those that made Star Wars a phenomenon in the first place. Those may be despicable traits, but they aren’t against the law.

You definitely shouldn’t plan on making any money off of such a venture; it’s far more likely that you’ll loose your shirt. Just ask all the companies that tried to make Mac clones back in the day. They took Apple to court and had a good case, but Apple had more money and used that money to continuously appeal. Apple could afford all those appeals, while “fly by night computers” could not. So despite a good case all of those prospective Mac Clone manufactures went bankrupt and the suits they brought died with them. Eventually Mac clones were made, but only when Apple decided to allow it. Of course those same clones were bought out and driven under the minute Jobs took over at Apple again, but I digress. If you go toe to toe with George you had better have Bill Gates or Walton kid’s type money or you can count on losing even if you have a good case and you don’t.
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#235941
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A Question to the Older Members
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
I never noticed them until the laserdisc, and later the DVDs. Never saw them in any theatrical prints, either during the original run or the many re-releases.


The one and only thing I can stand about any revisionism is technical goof clean-up. I don't want any editing out of stormtrooper head-hitting, or erasing of cardboard award ceremony audience. But crappy mattes and uncolored light saber blades are the kind of things I wouldn't mind Lucas tinkering with.

Why LFL did such a half-assed job on technical clean-up during all the revisionist work is simply beyond my comprehension.


But, nah, during the original run of Star Wars ... never noticed 'em.




BTW, not true of Empire Strikes Back ... Tie-Fighter square garbage mattes and generally craptacular matte lines (snowspeeders mostly) were very apparent in the theatrical run. And, yeah, horrible Rancor matte lines were quite visible during the theatrical run of Return of the Jedi.


My thoughts exactly. I couldn’t say it better so I won’t try.



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#234885
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Cardboard Leia
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
As for getting your girlfriend to wear a princess Leia costume that would be really hot, but I think I'd be a little too insecure to mix Star Wars with my love life that much. Do I really love her or do I love princess Leia?


I don't know. A few years ago, I got her to act out the Han/Leia kiss scene with me, something I'd wanted to for years as well. Is that a little bit weird?





No Gaffer I don’t think that’s weird at all, but I will admit that I’m not to be trusted in this regard. After all I am the guy that can trace my six year military career back to Star Wars so I shouldn’t be trusted regarding the application of Star Wars to real life.

Tiptup, on the subject of loving your woman or loving Princess Leia you are going to need to cross that bridge at some point if you really plan on maintaining a long term commitment. I was off the boards for the last few days because my wife and I were celebrating our 13th wedding anniversary on August 7th. We keep things fresh in our relationship and that contributes to our stability. Of course my wife is more than just a bedroom companion, she’s my best friend, my foil and my soul mate. Any girl like that (if yours insnt like that then keep looking) will be secure with wearing the slave outfit at some point. Just keep in mind that you need to reciprocate.

EDIT: Clarity.
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#234706
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Cardboard Leia
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I just wanted to say that, after eleven years of waiting, I finally got what I wanted: a life-size cardboard version of Leia in her slave outfit. My girlfriend ordered it for me as a surprise (and a new-apartment-warming gift). I'm happy! Anybody else have one of these?


Nope I have something better; I convinced my girlfriend (now wife) to put on an approximation of the Leia slave outfit. I recommend this to all Star Wars fans or at least those that have relations with hot little brunettes.

Still that is a very cool gift and it sounds like your woman might be a “keeper.”
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#234705
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No explanation necessary (but we got one anyway)
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Originally posted by: Whiners Do you realize how hypocritical you're being? First you're saying how they explained things in the prequels you would've liked to imagine happen in your demented little head instead, yet now you're making it sound bad that they're making questions like that with the new prequels! There was a 16 year difference in between RotJ and TPM, why would you not want those questions answered? I think it was great the way George Lucas gave people all that time to answer them, so people could wonder for years and then finally find out the truely canon answer, than just releasing the prequels three years after RotJ. Of course, you people know nothing about being creative.


Wow take a few days off the boards and I come back to this. I wonder if the Billy Goats Gruff know that the troll is here harassing me instead of watching the bridge?

Perhaps my comments do strike you as hypocritical, but if you read my post with an open mind instead of pondering how to tear it apart you can see my point. Why did we need to have Yoda tell us about the rule of two? Why title a movie “Revenge of the Sith” and never illustrate the reason they want revenge?

Just for future reference the moment you attacked me you made your entire post invalid. You had some pretty interesting points, but they are all negated because you inferred that I was lacking in both intellectual and artistic abilities. You gathered all of that through copper and fiber? If you posses such clairvoyant abilities you should use them on the stock market instead of wasting time on me.
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#234702
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Audience reaction to the reveal?
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
A lot of people argued that it was BS, a lie or a trick by Vader.



Indeed, that’s what I remember as well or at least after the film that’s what I remember people talking about. During the movie the sound of the film was pretty over-powering, but I do remember a few gasps and a couple of people exclaiming, “what did he say?”

The reveal was the item of debate at recess for a long time. After Jedi it was an even bigger issue on the playground with lots of “I told you so” and “no you didn’t.” I can remember one of those discussions devolving into fisticuffs. Well there were deeper reasons, but ROTJ was the catalyst for the fight.


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#229334
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I got a response from Leonard Maltin.....
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Hey at least he answered, which is more than I can say for most. Perhaps you planted a seed in his mind, one that will germinate and ultimately help us in our endeavor. I’m just happy you’re making the effort. I waste most of my correspondence riding the ass of my elected leaders.
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#229333
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I know it's odd, but...werewolf movie question
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Originally posted by: Mike O I recall a werewolf film once in which a single man was surrounded by many werewolves in what I believe was New York. There was an impressive shot of the werewolves attemting to break the glass of a building he wasn, and one of Wal Street completely deserted. Anyone have even the vagues idea what flick I might be thinking of?


You wouldn't be thinking of Wolves of Wall Street would you?
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#229330
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: Hot.like.firei hate that out of the 4 month vacation,i'll have only spent about 6 weeks not studying. boo.


I hate that I have no such 4 month vacation. If I did I would probably spend most of it studying. To be fair I should say that I would study what I want to study because I’m not attending any classes right now. Still I’m jealous of everyone that has been on summer break, particularly my kids. I know they’re having a fucking blast because I end up cleaning their messes every morning when I get home from work. That’s what I’ll be doing in a few hours…ahh the misery of being a perfectionist in a home full of procrastinators.

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#229328
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Those "Takes You Out Of The Moment" Moments...
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Originally posted by: bindibadgi I have to say I can accept a rock to the ankle killing a stormie much more easily than I can believe stormies killing almost all the Jedi in the space of, what, half an hour maybe?

Touché’

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab I think it was supposed to be implying that the Ewoks just knocked them down and the finsihed them off violently off screen. It was a PG movie after all. But the fact that it isn't show does strain credulity a bit.

As for the Executor crashing into the Death Star, I've alwasy figured the flames are coming from the masssive amount of air that would be released when the Death Star's hull was torn open. The vacuum effect would mean that all of that super-heated air would rush out into space. I'm no physics major, but... is it at all plausible this could result in fire?


I’m not a scientist myself so I couldn’t answer that accurately. I do know that NASA has conducted some experiments with fire in microgravity. Here’s a quote from one such experiment using a normal candle:

“On Earth, gravity-driven buoyant convection causes a candle flame to be teardrop-shaped and carries soot to the flame's tip, making it yellow. In microgravity, where convective flows are absent, the flame is spherical, soot-free, and blue”

Different gases and different combustibles have varying effects on the shape and color of fire here on Earth so it would be hard to figure out what a flame would look like if it was forced into space by a venting atmosphere. How quickly would the oxygen dissipate as it left the DS2? That would also influence the size, shape and duration of the flame. Then we need to figure out what type of gravity the DS2 had (both natural and artificial) and the impact that would have on the flames. There are many variations at work, but I think it’s safe to say that the explosion would not look like a blowtorch shooting flames around a model and that’s what we saw in ROTJ.


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#229320
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News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo We actually are paying to watch the show. You have to pay for cable to get the channel that it comes on. So in turn we will be paying to see the show.


That depends on your situation. See I have a cable modem at home, but I don’t subscribe to cable. Since the modem won’t work without a cable signal the cable company pipes basic cable into my home to make it work. Thus I get the channel in question and I don’t pay for it. Then there are the people that rip shows and place them on youtube, bit-torrent and the rest. You could also go to a local bar and work something out. I have a group of friends that go to a bar to watch Battle Star Galactica and get ripped. Then there are those on this board that still live with ma and pa kettle so their patriarch can foot the bill for this bull shit. Plus I’m sure most of us have at least one “gusher” friend that will buy the show when it’s released on DVD. There are ways of getting such things without actually paying for them if that wasn’t true I wouldn’t have seen the 2004 DVDs.

NOTE: I am not encouraging anyone to break any laws in any way. I just like to point out that this is a world full of options.


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#229312
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The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape I'd prefer a bubble gum cigar if you don't mind. ^_~ Not a big fan of the smokes, you understand. But I appreciate the sentiment all the same.


One bubblegum cigar coming right up. Everything we consume is another piece of our own death anyway so I don’t have any problems if you want that death in sugar instead of tobacco based form.

Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle I'm sure I'm not alone among OOT fans in that I accepted the fact that there were events which took place in between the episodes. There was enough information in the episodes to understand what might have happened, though, as you have shown, Gaffer Tape. Luca$h treats his audiences like idiots now. To say he treats us like children would be an insult to children...


BING BING BING another winner. When I was a kid we always assumed that the time between movies was real time. So ESB happened 3 years after the original and ROTJ happened 3 years after Empire. You’re right on with the idiot comment as well. Based on what I saw with my own children during the PT (ages 5-11 and 3-9 from 1999 till 2005) young children were ok with what George was doing and older kids saw it for the crap it was. For my kids the watershed time was around seven years of age. Jar Jar and fish that eat metal made sense at age five and six. By age seven my kids started scratching their heads and by age eight they were almost as upset with what was going on as my wife and I.
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#229306
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Revenge of the Sith SE?
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I can’t hit that link from work (firewall policy) is that the Imitation Milk E3 parody? If so that’s one of the most popular clips on my Mac at home; my wife watches it at least once a week.
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#229301
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Those "Takes You Out Of The Moment" Moments...
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Originally posted by: End Credits
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
Indeed. It’s just another example of George doing things because they look cool instead of thinking them through. He did it in the OT as well (burning Star Destroyers anyone?), but he seemed to keep the occurrences rare in those days. Well at least until Jedi came along.


Oh, so I am not the only one who thinks the Executor's collision with the Death Star looks strange? Good.


Far from it my friend. I know many people that have issues with that shot. My suspension of disbelief is stretched more in Jedi than in the other two OT films combined. There’s the Executor, there’s Lando and Wedge (non-Jedi I might point out) maneuvering in and out of the DS2, the aforementioned Tarzan yell and many others. I had questions about Storm Trooper armor in the first two films, but after ROTJ I think I have it figured out. It’s implosive reactive armor. I’m sure more than a few people have heard of explosive reactive armor, which explodes outward to minimize the impact of an incoming kinetic device. Well the Storm Trooper armor does the exact opposite; it explodes inward when something impacts the surface. That’s the only explanation I can concoct to explain how a rock to the ankle kills Storm Troopers.

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#229298
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If George did release a high quality OOT DVD, what is the worst that would happen?
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Thanks for the compliments and laughs one and all. Of course we know George is going to do something like that in the future. Perhaps not to the extreme that my example implied, but he’ll come up with some $500 collector’s set and it will probably be the only way we can get the OT the way we want it. Shit if KISS can sell the Kiss Kasket for $4700.00 (which isn’t really all that expensive for a Casket) then I’m sure George can sell the REAL OT in a collector’s set for a few hundred bucks.
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#229295
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Those "Takes You Out Of The Moment" Moments...
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit

The Buzz-Droids are bad as well. As my son said, “Hey dad if they can get droids there can’t they get explosives there easier and cheaper?” I just sighed and said, “Yes son.”

That is awsome! I don't have kids yet, but when I do I am not quite sure how to handle the whole PT thing. My first impulse is to keep their existence a secret and never let them see them. But sooner or later they are bound to learn the truth. Maybe it is better to just let them see them, perhaps they will see them for the cheese they are.

Your son has given me hope in the younger generation Darth-Adriot.

Sorry for going a bit off topic.

We all go off topic from time to time. There is hope for every second-generation Star Wars fan so long as their parents teach them to think critically. A child that has seen a well crafted story, such as Star Wars, is quick to notice the failings in the PT.


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
AOTC: Anakin’s fall on Coruscant. He would need to use the force not only to slow his fall, but also to accelerate to about 195MPH in order to grab the sky-car without tearing his arms off.


Hehe, yeah, that one gets me too. In addition to that, though, is when Anakin loses his lightsaber. Obi-Wan catches it, puts it in the passenger seat... and it just sits there without any kind of motion at all.


Indeed. It’s just another example of George doing things because they look cool instead of thinking them through. He did it in the OT as well (burning Star Destroyers anyone?), but he seemed to keep the occurrences rare in those days. Well at least until Jedi came along.


Originally posted by: zombie84

I kinda liked that moment for that very reason; so casual, even though it is completely absurd--i found it, dare i say, clever.

The skydiving though is horrible. I just saw that the other day and had completely forgotten about it and was instantly transported back to opening day in 2002--"WTF??! Oh give me a goodamn break that is just stupid." I accept Kenobi falling 100 feet in TPM and bouncing back up equally as high, i can even go with Obi Wan diving out the window to catch the droid but Anakin skydiving through traffic and catching the car was just too unrealistic, even for a film with aliens who levitate people in the air.


I had a hard enough time with all the dodging and weaving through traffic and yet I could buy that when it was in a sky-car because it has been done before in the GFFA. I could even buy off on it if the fall was done like the one in The Fifth Element. In that film Leelu fell several stories before crashing into the back of Corbin Dallas’ Sky-Taxi. Still she was a super being and didn’t direct her fall and then land comfortably. She crashed through the fucking roof of the car and was “out of it” for a little while. Of course the entire sky-car sequence in AOTC seems to be a rip-off of the sequence in The Fifth Element. I could forgive that, but George took it a little too far over the top for my tastes.


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#229230
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What did the PT need?
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Originally posted by: canofhumdingers
wow, Darth adroit, that has the potential to make for a really great opening to an alternate PT. It DEFINATELY has a lot more of that "OT feel" to it.


Thanks canofhumdingers. It’s really just me talking out of my ass. It seems that the PT was written without regard to what was said in the OT and I think that’s the biggest failing of the PT.

I think anything that doesn’t invalidate the OT is an improvement over what we ended up with. Let’s review what we know from the OT and I’m sure others can come up with better scenarios than my meager offering:



Ben: “I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father.” – Ben

“General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars.” - Leia

“There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.” - Ben

“Was I any different when you taught me?” – Ben in response to the following statement by Yoda “Much anger in him, like his father.”

“So was I, if you'll remember.”– Ben in response to the following statement by Yoda “You are reckless!”

“I don't blame you for being angry. If I was wrong in what I did, it certainly wouldn't have been for the first time. You see, what happened to your father was my fault.” Ben from the ESB script




Anakin: “He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.” – Ben

“He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned-fool idealistic
crusade like your father did.” – Ben

“A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.” – Ben

“When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.” – Vader

““Much anger in him, like his father.” – Yoda

“Luke, I don't want to lose you to the Emperor the way I lost Vader.” – Ben

“You father was seduced by the dark side of the Force.” – Ben

“Anakin was a good friend.” – Ben

“When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong.” – Ben

“I also thought he could be turned back to the good side. It couldn't be done. He is more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.” – Ben

“To be a Jedi, Luke, you must confront and then go beyond the dark side - the side your father couldn't get past. Impatience is the easiest door - for you, like your father. Only, your father was seduced by what he found on the other side of the door, and you have held firm.” – Ben ROTJ script





Owen: “That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.” –Ben

“He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned-fool idealistic
crusade like your father did.” – Ben

“That's your uncle talking.” – Ben in response to the following statement by Luke
“I can't get involved! I've got work to do! It's not that I like the Empire. I hate it! But there's nothing I can do about it right now. It's such a long way from here.”



There is also this interesting tidbit from the ROTJ script, which indicates that Owen was originally slated to be Ben’s brother and provides details about the birth of the twins, “When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.” – Ben

Later in the same scene Ben was supposed to say the following, “The Organa household was high-born and politically quite powerful in that system. Leia became a princess by virtue of lineage... no one knew she'd been adopted, of course. But it was a title without real power, since Alderaan had long been a democracy. Even so, the family continued to
be politically powerful, and Leia, following in her foster father's path, became a senator
as well. That's not all she became, of course... she became the leader of her cell in the Alliance against the corrupt Empire. And because she had diplomatic immunity, she
was a vital link for getting information to the Rebel cause. That's what she was doing
when her path crossed yours... for her foster parents had always told her to contact me on
Tatooine, if her troubles became desperate.”

I know these were never included in the movies (like the lines from the scripts I mentioned earlier), but they do give you the idea of what George was thinking about for the back story.


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#229209
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News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Its not your movie, never was, never will be.


I never said that it was, but thanks for reminding me for 62nd time.


Don’t you just love that? It’s not my Constitution either, but I have quite a bit invested in it and I get a little upset when someone comes along and tries to change it for the worse. I guess at least the Constitution was meant to be amended.

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