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#178356
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178356/action/topic#178356
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Since we\'d actually be watching it in HD when it\'s broadcast on HDnet, and not an HD downconvert, I think the answer is obvious.
Just to clarify - down converted or not, if someone\'s got an HD rip already (which might be Xvid on their computer in nearly equal quality, or it might be DVD-R depending on what that person prefers), do you think it will make any difference at all to if they would watch it when broadcast? Or do you think it simply would not be a factor?
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#178346
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178346/action/topic#178346
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\"I don\'t recall ever referring to the Blade Runner downconversion as preservation, nor is it considered a fan edit.\"

And I don\'t recall saying that you did, or I would have used your name.

\"What an arrogant ass! How nice it must be to wander through life with a purely black and white view of the universe. If you can\'t re-read that paragraph and understand why this entire forum sees you as a know-it-all prick and dismisses your posts as soapbox pronouncements, you\'re hopeless.\"

When did I claim I \"know it all?\"

\"I don\'t live in Australia, and neither do most of the other members here. Mostly because our ancestors weren\'t criminals deported to an island prison.\"

No, but most of what I said can be taken universally. None of my ancestors were criminals deported to Australia either. They came here peacefully of their own free will.

\"Again, Blade Runner isn\'t about preservation. Here\'s what it\'s about: some guys on a Star Wars forum who love Blade Runner, own the retail DVD, and are disatisfied with its quality. So one of them took an HD broadcast that\'s been floating around the web for who knows how long and created a kickass DVD out of it. Hopefully, these guys will buy the retail release when it comes. I know I will. I\'ll certainly be the first in line for the HD-DVD or BluRay release.\"

Now if one of the members here adds it to a torrent site, don\'t you think that *other* people from this site and not from it will want to download it? People who don\'t necessarily own the DVD?

\"I alse see a bunch of future buyers of the 25th anniversary edition (or whatever anniversary it is by the time it gets released).\"

I\'m prepared to wait it out for the next release. You see it\'s not that they don\'t want us to have it, Blade Runner has been tied up in legal issues since the stone age of DVD.

\"Absurd hyperbole. Disney is known for holding out, so they\'re the perfect studio to prove your point.\"

Disney is also known for selling-out.

\"Also, name the studio who would release a film to theaters for 57 years without providing a retail release in this day and age. You could at least set up a hypothetical situation that had a chance of actually happening.\"

Then don\'t look at it now, look at the past. How would you have felt about copies of Snow White being shared, assuming it was a film you love, and assuming that you\'ve had ever opportunity to see it in theatres each time Disney released it?

And really Jay there\'s no need for name-calling.
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#178147
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178147/action/topic#178147
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Originally posted by: Jay
Originally posted by: NeilBEven still, the guy has a point - If you were to share a film that was not yet available as in this case, wouldnt that be considered the same as sharing a film that has left the cinema and not yet hit DVD?
The difference is that Blade Runner is available at retail, has been for years, and it's my expectation that anyone downloading this fan-made DVD also own a retail copy. If they don't own a retail copy, they shouldn't be downloading it.
But isn't this the case all the time with torrents? I wouldn't consider it the same as leaving the cinema and being copied immediately, NeilB, I consider it the same as sharing a torrent of the retail disc. What bothers me so much is that you really give preservation a bad name by copying anything you can at all under that title.

"Know, however, that these two threads have caused me to review the forum rules and clarify my expectations regarding file sharing in order to crack down on any inappropriate behavior."

Well I'm glad you have put thought towards it, and carefully considered it.

Here's an interesting thing, NeilB and Jay - and this kind of explains why Jay and the others hold their view that sharing TV rips is different from sharing DVD rips. Us humans have a rather dull habit of always assuming we are right. What we'll do is decide on something - that is form a conclusion. That conclusion might be that "copying something off TV that's available on DVD isn't piracy because TV is a public broadcast". What that person would then do is look for evidence to support his conclusion, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This is a biased view, yes, but by habit we will all do it unless we are aware of it and choose to look at both sides carefully before reaching a solid conclusion.

I loosely work with the TV industry, and if someone abuses TV broadcasts it's not that different to abusing retail DVD's - except that there is no encryption put in place to prevent people from doing so. It would be really similar if DVD's didn't have encryption in the first place. If you copy something off TV, that's fine - no one has ever been successfully sued over that in Australia... you don't have a legal right to do so without first obtaining written permission, although so many people believe they do, and if you do record without that permission you are breaking copyright law - but as most recording (95%+) is done to "watch later" rather then to "keep", it's no bother. But what is a bother is when that copy you made is shared with others. Because that is taking works you don't own and sharing them with people who don't own them either. One of the ways TV has to try and compete with DVD is to offer people things they can't get on DVD - at least not yet. Copying and sharing this is not preservation, it's piracy. Aussies have the largest rate of TV piracy in the world, not something we should be proud of.

Because something has not been released on DVD or home video is not a ticket to copy, share and distribute it. Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was not released on home video until 57 years after the first theatrical release. Until then it was only ever seen in theatres. Now if a movie was to come out only in theatres today, and then do that for another 57 years before being released on home video (where you will have the opportunity to watch the film in theatres) - would you call ripping that and sharing it "preservation" or "piracy"? It may count as preservation if they change the film, but if they don't then you've still got the film to enjoy, in the environment it was designed to be enjoyed in.
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#178125
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178125/action/topic#178125
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Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
I have a documentary called The Alien Saga. I don't know if this comes the Alien Quadrilogy and would like to know how similar it is to the Alien Evolution doc. you have. This is what the back of the case says.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

THE ALIEN SAGA

NARRATED BY JOHN HURT

ALIEN burst onto the scene in 1979 with a strong female lead (Sigourney Weaver as Ripley) battling the ultimate biomechanical creature. The Brilliant and terrifying result reinvented the horror/sci-fi genre.

This award winning feature-length documentary serves as the definitive story of how a dark, nightmarish screenplay became one of the most successful -- and celebrated -- film franchises in Hollywood history. THE ALIEN SAGA also examines the sexual and mythic origins of its subject with compelling interviews, never-before-seen outtakes and extensive highlights from all four big-screen incarnations.

HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:
- The greatest moments from ALIEN (1979), ALIENS (1986), ALIEN3 (1992), and ALIEN RESURRECTION (1997).

- Rare home movies, screen tests and outtakes.

- Exclusive interviews with cast members Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skerritt, Michael Biehn and Carrie Henn; artist and "Alien" designer H.R. Giger; screenwriters Dan O'Bannon, Ronald Shusett and Joss Whedon; special effects artist Martin Bower, Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr. -- and many, many more!

BONUS FEATURES
Original Screen Tests, Theatrical Trailers, Featurettes, Never-Before-Seen Footage

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

It could even be the same documentary under a different name. I was just hoping that someone could fill me on the differences so I could decide whether or not the boxset was worth buying since I would be getting it mainly for the extras.

Thanks.
I actually went and bought a copy of Alien from that oop boxset from a 2nd hand place (it's 2 disc) so that I could have the features. I own the quadrilogy. I prefer the theatrical version of Alien, I know the main scene Scott reinserted is fantastic and makes the movie more complete, but it comes at the cost of pacing, and breaking suspense. Adding docos to releases is supposed to increase the value. Where is this if you already have all these doco's because you copy them?
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#177091
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177091/action/topic#177091
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"As Lucas said, when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship you are met with not boos, but cheers."

Actually, it was Padme who said that, moron. Next, you'll be accusing Lucas of saying that destroying Alderaan would be an excellent demonstration of his powers.
Lucas says, in an interview, that when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship, if you look at history, it is passed through with support, not with bloodshed (not in those exact words) ... I believe it's on the retail DVD, if you care to look... - oh, I mean listen.

And you know, that's what I was thinking of. But hey I suppose I can't expect much more from some little fanboy then "no that was this starwars character".

"I think that was greencapt's point because DarkFox's IP resolves to Australia"

Really - didn't I tell you I'm posting from brisbane? ... wow, that's certainly news to me. Check the IP again, I might be lying. Brisbane? pprft.

I tell you right now I think if you all looked at what you're doing in a fresh light, you'd probably understand what I'm saying. This idea that it's not piracy because it's not a "retail disc" is bogus. Tell me, suppose movie ever released on DVD is shown on TV in exactly equal quality. Let this be our assumption. Does that make it okay to trade, exchange and pass around the TV rips, rather then the ...DVD rips? What's the difference?

I've had a bad day. Thanks for your insults guys.
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#176220
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176220/action/topic#176220
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"Right now, the fact that I already own the movie means I should be allowed to have a higher quality version of that same movie."

While that may very well be your opinion, the law says otherwise.

"There are vast differences between the retail DVD and the HDTV broadcast."

Differences in quality, I don't doubt. Differences in content - I do. As there is no difference in content, and only in quality this must be piracy.

"Darkfox, tell me what is the difference between someone doing a HD Tivo of the film and leaving it on their box until the official DVD comes out and someone moving that copy to a DVD to free up space on their Tivo?"

Simple. Under Aussie Law it is illegal to record any television program without written permission. US law is very different, however as you have "fair use" it would be acceptable to record for your own personal use... but US law does not extend to making copies... as soon as you do that, you are breaking "fair use", and entering piracy.

"Also note that the HD capture is from a publicly available broadcast. It's not like someone ripped a retail release and posted it."

Jay, making copies of either is illegal and handled equally under the law, so what's the difference?

"Blade runner has been deleted for sometime on all formats "

Region 1 is not out of print.

"The retail DVD of Blade Runner is total smeg. And bare bones with no special features."

Well you know what, welcome to the world of capital product. It may be a disappointment. I admit, it is. But it's still legal, it's still available - and it's passable quality.

As Lucas said, when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship you are met with not boos, but cheers. As is it with piracy; moving from preservation, as I'm now fully aware. I don't care if you don't wake up to yourselves, because you've been extremely disrespectful to me. I'm not asking for an apology, I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. Just know that I am not going to apologize for what I believe.
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#175604
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/175604/action/topic#175604
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A few of you became very offended when I used the word piracy. Some made accusations towards me, some felt it was unfair.

So let’s take a look shall we. Let’s discuss this like we’re civilized, even if we have to pretend. We’ll discuss one thing at a time, starting with Blade Runner HDTV.

Citizen - I will be making PAL & NTSC DVDs from the 15gb capture, with 2 audio tracks, the first being the 5.1 mix they put out and the 2nd I’ll use the 5.1 mix and add-in Deckard’s voiceover, toying with the idea of putting the voiceover on the rear channels instead of the center.</span>

digitalfreaknyc i was doing this as well.

Persons interested in acquiring this on DVD include: retartedted, ReverendBeastly, MeBeJedi, ShiftyEyes, and boba feta… just off the first page.

There are more, many more: dugpa, Adamwankenobi (who actually says he’s planning to get a copy of it rather then buy a legit copy), DrVenkman, Echo3, Jay , winman42 (who wants to author a disc), Hardcore Legend <"I too am eager to get a copy of this on Dual Layer. The retail version is a disaster", Laserschwert… that gets us to page 3 anyway, only counting the members who specifically said they were interested in getting a copy of it.

Blade Runner can be legally bought. Here is rule 4: Do not discuss bootlegs of products currently available in general release. This forum is for material not available to the general public because it has never been released or it’s no longer available for sale.

It seems even Jay is quick to ignore the rule in this case. If you ask me, piracy has progressed hugely from where it was 10 years ago, you can now get pirated copies that are equal, and in some cases better quality then the official release. Does this make it okay to copy it and pass it around, so long as it’s better quality then the official release? Where do you draw the line on this? Can you all honestly tell me that this isn’t piracy in your oppinion? I have Blade Runner on DVD, sure it’s not fantastic quality - but it’s watchable, it’s legal, and I still believe that we will get a higher quality release, as was promised long ago - once all the legal issues surrounding it are ironed out.

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#175214
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Time to grow up.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/175214/action/topic#175214
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Originally posted by: Jay
Thank you for pointing this out. Please note that the initial request was posted before the release of the UK box set with the colorized version; it's possible the poster didn't realize its release was coming about a month later.
While that's true, six people still asked for a copy of the official DVD (not an LD rip), and 2 were in the UK. The other's behavior I deliberately didn't comment on, because from a preservation point of view they were not pirating (which I think we do agree on). But then again, how long after the UK release goes OOP do you think people should wait before asking for preservations of the colourized king kong again? 1 year? 2 years? 5 years? 1 week? Should the company be given time to think about another official release, or should it be "preserved" immediately after going OOP?

Mr Bungle, I too have a sizeable DVD collection. I would even like to add some things to it, like the OOT, maybe Blade Runner: TIC/Theatrical - in fact that's another good point, and I don't mean to be funny - but Blade Runner: DC is available to buy as well. Oh sure the R4 is OOP, and all DVD releases of it are terrible quality, really - I myself own the R1 disc. Now since this is available to buy legally, why should people be pirating it in "higher quality"? Jay do you realize there are people on this forum talking about an HD TV rip that want to copy it and pass it around, because they're simply not happy with the quality of the official release? Do you feel this counts as fair game for preservation copying, even though you can legally purchase the DVD - even if it is a little lower in quality?

It is my opinion that any movie shown in HD will be of greater quality then the DVD - would this mean they are all fair game to be copied for preservation, because the DVD's quality, by comparison, is inadequate? I don't know what you're opinion is on this Jay, and I'm interested in finding out - I'm not trying to patronize you.

Where do you draw the line? Can you, or others, understand why I can see that example, of copying Blade Runner: DC HD TV Rip as being piracy?

Fan edits might be okay when you keep them to yourself. But the moment you distribute them, you've produced an unauthorized copy. Whether on torrents, traded disc-for-disc, or shared with your close friends. This is something that studios have every right to put a stop to - because you've altered their work, and you're pirated it. There was example, not long ago (about 2 years now), of several nightclubs in Sydney which would remix (themselves) different music. They would distribute this music, as well as play it in the night clubs. Police raided several, seized the copies, arrested all involved - charged and prosecuted them. That was considered piracy.

But it wasn't just distributing their unauthorized copies that they were charged with, they were also prosecuted for playing it in the nightclub in the first place.

Master Sifo-Dyas - I can post how I want, right? There is an obvious reply link, all over these pages. I'm searching now, and I still can't find a "PM link" anywhere on, at or even near Jay's post. It may be because I'm not logged in, but I prefer to log in every time I want to post something, the "I want to stay logged in." checkbox is optional for a reason you know.
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#174787
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Time to grow up.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174787/action/topic#174787
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Jay here is your thread:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=3750

I see 6 members ask for a pirated copy of the official DVD, two even admit to being in the UK! Every member could instead purchase the DVD legally.

TheSessler: "Sure, England and Australia don't have as much racial turmoil, but thats probably because they aren't as ethnically mixed and has nothing to do with England's lack of a written constitution."

I never said the lack of a written constitution is a bad thing. Our constitution is almost impossible to understand in parts, which is kind of silly. I think you'll find in Australia we have a very diverse nation which is extremely ethnically mixed. You come here to Brisbane and you'll see what I'm talking about right away. Go to Sydney or Melbourne and you'll see even more. The reason America has so much racial turmoil is not because they're less racially mixed. So no, I don't think blaming it on american society is too much. Remember America is the fattest nation in the world, roughly 50% fatter then Australia. America's top preventable cause of death is obesity, not smoking. Australia's is skin cancer. Can you tell me why in the UK you don't even get to choose your Doctor?

The reason why I did it is because they're all people I would be proud to call my friends. A true friend will tell another friend what he has done wrong. Now they're not my friends, but that doesn't mean I can't treat them like my friends, does it? Now if that's somehow saddling up on some moral high horse, then so be it. You can see that I saw it through to the end, if you can decide where an end is. I suppose I'll see this discussion through as well.
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#174651
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Time to grow up.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174651/action/topic#174651
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Shimraa, you make me think. I realize full well not everyone is the same, or has the same intentions, or says the same thing here. There are members I can name, by their usernames to point out behavior I don't agree with. On the first page of this website is a quote made by Lucas against the colourization of classic B&W films, and then there is a thread where people are asking for pirated copies of the colourized version of King Kong (1933) - which can be bought legally! Jay tells me Lucas once made his own edits of hollywood films - in defense of fan edits (of any film, not just star wars). Ok, fair enough - but did Lucas distribute these edits as well? Because I can see a problem if he did, and if he did - just because HE did it doesn't make it ok.

But you're right, I came here peacefully. These are my observations, and my opinions, nothing more. GundarkHunter, I don't doubt you're a good lawyer - and I mean no disrespect; however if you are saying that by distributing (lets assume for free) unauthorized copies of movies, in unauthorized edits, of legit releases that no wrong has been done to the copyright owners and that it is every consumers right to do so - you are most certainly mistaking. You may find it interesting to note on the wikipedia page for starwars, under preservation is a link to this site.

You all want to know a true story? Since in Jay's words "You don't sign up at a forum and then proceed to tell the owner and members their community is a den of thieves with questionable morals", and honestly I didn't come HERE to do anything of the kind, I came here to discuss. But there was a time I did just that. I went to a forum to tell the owner and members their community is a den of thieves with questionable morals.

There is a forum at the website whiterevolution.com. "Antifa" (non-supporters) are only allowed to post in one forum, where the moderators routinely edit their posts to make them sound like morons, and the whole community pounces on them - far worse then what you see here. It was a forum that wasn't worth my time either. But in all fairness I felt like confronting these people, and so I did. I registered under the username of "One Small Christian" and I posted "One Small Post". Here's the link, so you can read it for yourself:

http://www.whiterevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1778

Pay close attention to the member aryanok88, if you choose to read the thread. You see I thought it would be interesting to come in to a racist forum and say "hi, I'm white, and you're wrong". To say "if you hate me doesn't that make YOU an enemy of the white race". To show them what they're cause is doing is unproductive, immoral, and quite frankly disgusting. It took a lot of effort on my part, to hold ground there, and make arguments which would make sense to the forum members there. The mods would threaten me, shout abuse, mess with my account - basically everything short of banning me. And I'm not banned, they never banned me. I can return to the forum any time I like. Eventually aryanok88 decided he was not going to continue to be a part of the movement, he sent me a PM in secret informing me that he's decided to leave the white nationalist movement, remove hate from his life, and pursue God.

What is most interesting is that this was the member who had said earlier in the thread:

As far as I'm concerned, you have proved nothing One Small Christian. I am a God fearing Christian (and those of you who don't believe the bible need to keep that opinion to yourselves, for it insults those of who do believe it). However, I'm not of the brainwashed Zionist churches of today. The white race is the true Israel, and the Jews of today are merely a con on the people of the world. Holding hands and singing We are the World is what you seem to want. It's not going to happen, so why do you bother posting here? Do you think you are going to convert us?

Like someone once said, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has got one." Well, thanks for your opinion...asshole!

Note that one question "Do you think you are going to convert us?" - No I did not. But I did, and that I feel was the greatest thing I achieved all year.

So if some of you here want to shout abuse at me, go ahead I'm not going to stop you. You can judge me all you like - after all I know I'm not perfect. You can call me out of order, you can tell me I'm unwelcome to be your friend, that you hate me and wish I was dead if you like. I just want you to know one thing... and that is I will never give you the satisfaction of hearing such abuse from me.

Now since I am unwelcome, and since I do have better and more pressing things to worry about then this forum, this is goodbye. Back to lurking.
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#173750
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Time to grow up.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/173750/action/topic#173750
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Thanks for replying. This is one of the reasons that prevents me from being an active member of this community here. Some forum members I saw were talking about acquiring copies of a workprint of a bond film that was never released to the public. Just because this kind of thing hasn't been released doesn't mean that copying it isn't piracy, because you're copying something that was never intended for release. In the same way, copying fan edits is also something that is piracy because you're copying something that was never intended for release, regardless of if you actually own the movie. I don't feel that a transaction has to take place for piracy to occur. Another example I saw was someone inserted a newly filmed scene, based on a deleted scene, into the 1933 king kong movie, and people were asking for copies of that. If I remember correctly members here were also asking for copies of the colourized king kong, which is available to buy legally. All this kind of thing really goes against my grain - as does any unauthorized fan edit. Because fan edits take others work, as if the fan himself actually owns that work, and then releases it without any authority, and without any legitimate argument to "preservation".

On the other hand you've got several members who have completed projects to preserve the original trilogy, and possibly other films - and some have ongoing projects. And this king of thing, while it's still quite obviously illegal, I think is okay - but not if that by doing it it has opened the doorway to all other kinds of piracy that I see here now. Now it seems that you, as well as many other forum members, feel it's okay to rip and distribute something, if you're editing it. Put more directly, you seem to endorse it. I understand you feel it's a natural extension to what you call preservation, but I'm not so sure. Let me give you an example, there's a classic Australian song by Rolf Harris called Tie Me Kangaroo Down. At some point in time, Rolf Harris removed one of his verses, it went like this:

Let me Abos go loose, Lou,
Let me Abos go loose.
They're of no further use, Lou,
So let me Abos go loose.

Now I have the original version of the song - that includes that line. I would have no reservations about copying it for others, in the interests of preserving it in its original form. I know the verse is very racist, but I didn't write the song, and I don't believe in censorship, so I feel it would be preserving his song, before he edited it - pretty much the same thing you do here if you copy the "pre-SE" or "O-OT" star wars films for others - you're preserving it in its original form. On the other hand I would find it offensive if someone decided to make their own version of Tie Me Kangaroo Down by removing a different verse from the song.

Maybe I'm not making sense, but basically I feel that you're going to offend people, directors, and studios more if you edit films into fan edits, or release unreleased pre-theatrical cuts of the film, then if all you're doing is preserving them. It feels like you're either lost the plot, or that you're just more interested in getting what you want then you are in preserving what others did. Just a point of interest, there are very few copied films I own. One is Scream: Director's Cut. It was copied from the japaneese release. Now, under normal circumstances I am happy to purchase DVD's from overseas, say America or Britain, if a version of the film is released there that is unavailable here. The point that stopped me doing this, is the cost was the equilivant of $80 (Australian) at the time to buy the Scream DVD from a jap online store, excluding postage costs. Note that this is a copy of something that I could have legally bought, regardless of the price tag. I now know that there is also a German release of the director's cut, which I've not investigated. I've not investigated it because it's not important to me. I own a legal copy of the theatrical cut, and a perfectly fine DVD-R of the director's cut. You may find the same thing will happen if the O-OT is released officially, people may be happy with the LD or DE-SE'd DVD copies they have, they may be happy with fan edits they consider better then the O-OT, or they may just feel because they own a SE they don't have to buy the O-OT. All of this is going to mean bad business for the studios.
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#172537
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Time to grow up.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/172537/action/topic#172537
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Originally posted by: Jay
What the hell is going on?

I've read a lot of crap today, and this is the first time in a long time I've questioned the value of my work in maintaining this place and busting my ass on the redesign. This is the most childish garbage I've seen posted here--ever. I'm now beginning to understand the lousy reputation this forum has developed in the fan community. If I had stumbled across this board recently, I can't say I would've bothered to sign up.

Some of you are going to point your fingers at a certain member. I see a lot of namecalling on both sides and not one of you involved in this little playground altercation can claim to be in the right. Calling someone a dickhead because they like the prequels is unacceptable. Sending PMs with your insults so you can appear respectful in public is unacceptable.

I've always preferred a hands-off approach to forum moderation, believing people can work out their differences given enough time and discussion, but it doesn't seem to be working in this case.

All personal attacks stop now. This includes public posts and private messages. Personal attacks will result in your removal.

No exceptions. No excuses. No warnings.


Jay, I'm a long-time "lurker". I wanted to say something, but I don't know in what forum it would belong most. First off, I think it's great you're dedicated enough to have a website and forum here, so please don't get me wrong. When people can come together for what they believe in - I think it's beautiful.

My question is why is there so much piracy on these forums? It seems here just about every popular movie is going the rounds in piracy. By piracy I mean copying. OK, I understand copying the O-OT, because that can't be bought. But it seems here people will copy any movie, and trade it around, in unauthorized fan-edits. And that is piracy, and I cannot see why Lucasfilm, Fox or any studio wouldn't be outraged by this kind of behavior.

I can't see why director's wouldn't be outraged, and maybe write so on their official websites. Because they sell us movies to enjoy, not to pick apart, edit, and copy all we like.

Oh one other question. Don't you think that by having piracy on your forums it harms your lobbying for official release of the O-OT, when companies see what you do to theatrical cuts that they do release to you?