Are you the same guy who created (or posted in) this thread?:
https://lemmy.world/post/10672197?scrollToComments=true
No, I’m not. Although I’m aware of the Fediverse, I haven’t posted anything there, and if I had, it would probably be under a name Danfun64/Danfun128/Danfun360.
I’m almost certainly going to be long dead before this question becomes important (thanks Berne Convention), but I wanted to ask anyway. You have the original unaltered trilogy, copyrighted 1977/1980/1983. Then you have the 1997 Special Editions, which I believe are copyrighted for the same year, given the mention in the closing credits.
What about the 2004 revision? Or the 2011 revision? Or the 2019 revision? The closing credits for the original trilogy have never been altered since the 1997 release. When the 1997 SE eventually enters the public domain in the 2100s, will the newer revisions immediately be placed in the public domain alongside them, or have they been copyrighted for their respective dates? And what about foreign dubs?
How would these compare to the 2011 blu rays? I remember someone once saying these were 1080i rather than 1080p but I can’t really confirm that source.
That depends on what aspect you’re referring to. I believe the main sources that schorman uses were originally 1080i50 tv recordings from europe. That is, the footage was sped up to 25 frames per second and a 2:2 pulldown is applied. To remove the interlacing, all that is necessary in this case is to merge every two fields. The footage is then slowed down to 24000/1001 and sync’d up with the dvd audio.
TPM and AOTC use completely different video masters here than in the 2011 Blu-ray. ROTS has a different color palate in the 2011 but doesn’t look that much different otherwise. The original trilogy takes the 2004 master and some fixes, but also some more unnecessary changes.
At any rate, the 2011 Blu-rays have a higher bitrate than schorman’s, and the 2020 UHD Blu-rays have an even higher bitrate. (the prequel trilogy masters are very similar to the 2011 Blu-rays, while the original trilogy uses brand new masters)
I think it depends on what you’re looking for.
For the original trilogy, if you’re ignoring options like team negative one’s work, D+, Harmy’s etc and want to choose only between schorman’s, 2011, and 2019/2020… there are areas where the 2004/2011 master looks better and areas where the 2019 master looks better. Schorman’s is less altered than 2011 and 2019, but if the 2011 changes don’t bother you than it really doesn’t matter which of the three you pick. That said, if Maclunky bothers you, then you can ignore 2019 ANH, but that’s the only “major” change the 2019 master has in all three films from the 2011, so…
Concerning the prequels: If the 2011 changes for ROTS don’t bother you (some added moss in Kashyyyk, some added sound effects for the clones), then it doesn’t really matter which of the two versions you pick.
The Phantom Menace, aside from visual changes like CGI Yoda and audio changes like the removal of the “Vote now!” chanting, one of the biggest changes is that the video masters are very different. I believe the 2001 master might have more edge enhancement. The 2011 master might have been better if it wasn’t smudged to oblivion. The 2019 master adds one minor change to the podracing sequence, but it’s not something you’d notice unless you were looking for it (a visual change when Anakin was reaching out for a cable)
Attack of the Clones, the biggest thing the 2011 and 2019 masters have going for them compared to the 2002 master is a bigger bitrate and and even bigger bitrate. The quality otherwise is a definite downgrade, and some scenes are rearranged for no apparent reason that interferes with the music (anakin and obi-wan flying through a power coupling, yoda stopping the pillar from crushing anakin and obi-wan and count dooku escaping). I’d stick with the 2002 master, but the 2011 and 2019 don’t have any significant changes between each other (the 2019 might have a better color palate than the 2011? I’m not sure)
The last thing of note is that for all six films, the 2019 masters are very slightly cropped on the top and bottom to match the sequel trilogy’s aspect ratio.
I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned the 2007-2008 UK DVDs that use the JP Laserdisc master. Granted, I don’t know that much about them, and they might not be that useful if they’re frame blended instead of sped up, but…
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek:The_Original_Series-_The_Collector%27s_Edition
I am also late. I don’t remember if I ever interacted with Moth3r or not, but I know his impact on this community was enormous. My condolences.
At this point, it would be better to make fresh torrents. The schorman releases have received several minor updates over the past several months. The versions on myspleen are almost certainly obsolete.
Any English subtitles synced to this?
Out of curiosity, why 1080x816? That resolution really isn’t that common at all… not to mention that it isn’t Blu-ray compliant.
Not that I know much about SE audio mixes, but I was under the impression that only ANH got a brand new audio mix for the 2004 release (largely inferior to the 97 mix), while ESB and ROTJ’s audio mixes were based on the 97 mixes with some changes, much like how ANH’s 1993 audio mix deviated from the original 35mm stereo mix a lot more than the 93 mixes of ESB and ROTJ.
edit: Oh, didn’t realize that I bumped the thread by accident. Sorry.
A word of advice. Completely pointless necrobumps usually aren’t appreciated by anyone. At all.
An examination of the HD broadcasts of the DVD version has shown less anti-noise processing. That plus the way they were captured makes them as good if not better than the later blu-ray release.
I didn’t know this. I was under the impression that, further altered scenes aside, the HDTV and Blu-ray versions were identical.
I know that the 2019 master of Empire Strikes Back is zoomed in and moved to the right compared to the “HD Branch”, to the point that the end credits are no longer centered. However, in comparison to other releases, both official and unofficial, I don’t know how problematic it is. For example, with A New Hope, the Silver Screen Edition shows more picture than the HD Branch, which shows a slight amount more picture than the 2019 master (owing mainly to the crop to the sequel trilogy’s aspect ratio), which IIRC shows more picture than 4K77. However, I don’t remember 4k77 getting the complaints 2019 Empire has received.
Does 2019 Empire show more picture than the various pre-2004 masters or the various fanmade scans? How bad is the shift to the right, anyway?
So I recently bought the 4k Blu-rays. I never owned the original Blu-rays. Do even the DNR’d sections have more detail than the DVDs, at least? Would a new fan edit be required to get the best of all sources?
There’s this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrPh8Tlbybc
Weren’t there changes between the frame count V1 of Scholman’s HDTV (and assuming by extension Scholman’s theatrical reconstruction) and V2 of Scholman’s HDTV (which I’m assuming is the frame sync used here)?
So… does anybody know where I can find English forced subs and synced Theatrical DTS audio for this, if they exist?
Wasn’t the German dub (based off the 4kids English dub) available on dvd with 5.1 audio mixes? You could use that to help remove the dub score from the English dub.
There’s also this. https://github.com/lazydevyo/SpleetGUI
This might have already been answered, but what exactly are power windows? It seems impossible to find the definition in this context on google.
Maybe the scan was done in 4K nine years ago? Otherwise it is just an upscale with a pseudo-HDR.
That’s the real question, isn’t it?
Why do you want this when 4k83 is a thing? If it’s for the grindhouse look, there’s a grindhouse version of 4k83 IIRC.
…the moment you start flipping things around for no reason was the moment this turned into a fan edit.
Upscaling The Magic School Bus to 4k wtf?
I’ve heard people complain that some of the DVD releases were VHS quality. Upscaling isn’t going to accomplish anything. It would be better to just try to restore the original episode format while keeping it in SD.
There’s no reason for it to be 60 fps. It’s either 24 fps or 24000/1001 fps (23.976…), forgot which.
…if you’re trying to download an HD project, you need to own the official Blu-Ray first.
Are you sure about that? Stuff like the schorman HDTV preservations are overall closer to the DVDs than the Blu-rays. Perhaps the Blu-ray’s are “close enough” for the OT, but certainly not Ep 1 and probably not Ep 2 and 3.
I think 4k77 only had one DNR version, available in 4k and 1080p variants.
As for 4k83, I don’t know what happened to 1.0, but it’s irrelevant now. DNR 4k83 comes in three versions, v1.1 (Medium NR/Sharpness), v1.2.2 (maximum NR/Sharpness), and v1.3 (minimal NR), all with 4k and 1080p variants.