Collipso

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

As usual I’ll have to strongly disagree. IV, V, VI, VII, VIII is already far more emotionally satisfying than I, II, III, IV, V, VI ever was. Going from III to IV is much more jarring a shift than going from VI to VII (and I’m not talking about quality). Just because nothing important plot-wise happens in between the PT and the OT doesn’t make them a cohesive and continuous unit, far from it. Lucas’s conception of the six episode saga was incredibly faulty and unsatisfactory. Hard to say how the nine episode saga will look without having seen the last chapter, but it can’t be anymore slapdash than the six episode one (if anything it’s working to rectify the problems).

Um what?
Between 3 and 4 the Empire grows in power as does the Rebellion, Luke and Leia grow up, and the Death Star is finally completed after 20 years. All of these things were set up in 3, and in fact one of the issues people have with that movie is how much hand-holding it does to make the universe continue relatively unchanged for two decades.

Between 6 and 7 the civil war officially ends with the Imperial remnant being exiled to the unknown regions, a new First Order arises from this remnant, Han and Leia officially get married then have a kid and Luke starts to form a new Jedi order then the Solo kid goes bad and destroys the order and Han and Leia break up and Luke goes into exile. Oh and the First Order is being run by a totally new warlord who is strong in the Force but unrelated to the Sith, they’ve somehow found a way to build a weapon much larger than any built by the Empire at the height of their power, and they’ve infiltrated the Republic Senate so far as to cast Leia out and force her to start her own miniature Rebellion.

You’ve clearly missed the point of my post. As I stated, plot-wise nothing important happens in between III and IV (as obviously opposed to between VI and VII). But the jump is nevertheless much more jarring, for other (in my opinion) far more important reasons.

what reasons?

shouldn’t this thread be in the cantina section?

i believe dom did acknowledge that nothing important plot-wise happened between III and IV, and that a lot more happened between VI and VII. he just says that the jump from VI to VII is much less jarring regardless, something i, too, very much disagree with.

Jay said:

Agreed that some female points of view would be refreshing.

A bit all over the place, but a passionate take:
https://youtu.be/FQTornBY4Ig

More organized:
https://youtu.be/2LXZJy0NEck

Serious rants:
https://youtu.be/0jY010oKl7c
https://youtu.be/FQTornBY4Ig

jay, you linked the same video twice. the second one under ‘serious rants’ is the same one as the ‘all over the place’ one.

Handman said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

paja said:

19?

If I have to suffer anymore, Mel Gibson’s gonna make a fuckin’ movie about me!

Close enough. Turning 19 in a few months.

Wait, so you are some immature teenager?

Aren’t you like 17?

hey, i’m 17 too

oojason said:

‘The Last Jedi is amazing and you are all insane.’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXCLJp541Pw

^ Someone’s opinion on the film (Maj0r Lee) - has some decent insights and viewpoints that haven’t really been delved into much before (which is somewhat surprising - given the endless repetitive nature of debate on TLJ).

It also addresses some of the criticisms of the film - which is a strange surreal watch (and humourous), given the claims and emotions by some of those criticising it (mainly vloggers & youtubers etc - whom seem to be the people being referred to in the title of his video).

so i finished watching it, and it was indeed humorous! i had not seen any of the videos he ended up taking some parts of and ‘countering’, and wow are those people angry and mad for some reason.

it seemed as if he was trying to paint all critics of the movie with the same brush, as if we’re all like those couple of guys from the videos he put in his video, and we’re definitely not all like that. i think it would’ve been better if he took parts from one of David Stewart’s videos, for example, and countered his points using actual arguments, instead of just strawmaning all of those really emotional responses from those guys he actually ended up putting in. granted, given what several of them were saying, strawmaning was almost necessary.

the first 15 minutes or so of the video are basically him presenting his opinion on several aspects of the movie, and i think i disagree with him in about 90% of the things he said. i also don’t think i “didn’t get” some things that those that don’t like the movie theoretically didn’t get. for example, i picked up the reference to “you changed your hair” from TFA, and i did get that one of the things the movie did was to, in a way, destroy (or change) several of the things we valued in Star Wars prior to it. i’m just not sure i like it.

indeed it is. i’m wishing you all the best lordzerome.

i have no problem with the holdo plot at all, in fact it might be the one i like the most. i really liked her character, and how she interacted with poe. i do wish she was given more reason to say “i like him” when he’s unconscious, but it’s fine. the canto bight plot is not as interesting or as well executed to me, and while the jedi plot is by far the best, rey is just so annoying to me, to a point where i lost interest in that particular part of the story halfway through.

and when we got to that fourth act i really started to feel the 2 and a half hours.

but it’s a good movie. i think i’m going to get my blu ray this week, and finally rewatch it on the weekend.

TV’s Frink said:

snooker said:

If you are suffering as much as I am please tell me.

You took me back to AOTC. I don’t know how anyone could be suffering more than me right now.

my wisdom tooth is hurting a heck of a lot pal.

i think it didn’t work because he tried to do it to only half of a word.

sorry coffee i’m not a true fan :’(

i liked when they used the uniforms in First Class.

yotsuya said:

Collipso said:

i’m only one minute in and he’s already bashing everyone that doesn’t like the movie and saying that we don’t like it simply because our theories were wrong. that’s simply not true, i liked rey being a nobody, but i wish we had more information on Snoke to help bridge the 30 year gap and how we went from ‘RIP the empire’ to ‘RIP the rebels’ with a new extremely powerful emperor. we’re two movies in already and we have no idea why the galaxy is in the state it’s in, and Snoke’s “backstory” could help with that.

What what exactly was Palpatine’s backstory before the prequels? What exactly is his backstory in the prequels? That we don’t get information on Snoke is not exactly something new.

but it is. in Star Wars, it’s simply said that there’s an empire and there’s an emperor and that they’re evil. we have no reason to question such setting, it’s simply the setting the story is set on.

the problem with the ST in that regard is that the empire is pretty much defeated at the end of RotJ. and then the next time we see the galaxy (in the ST), the empire’s back, the rebels are the underdogs again for some reason (even though they were victorious the last time we saw them), there’s a new, stronger emperor… all this begs some questions. how did we get here from the point we were on in RotJ?, for example.

it’d be like going from the ending of TPM straight into SW. it’d make no sense and we’d need some sort of backstory, we’d ask some questions, which the answer would be, in this hypothetical case, AotC and RotS.

i’m only one minute in and he’s already bashing everyone that doesn’t like the movie and saying that we don’t like it simply because our theories were wrong. that’s simply not true, i liked rey being a nobody, but i wish we had more information on Snoke to help bridge the 30 year gap and how we went from ‘RIP the empire’ to ‘RIP the rebels’ with a new extremely powerful emperor. we’re two movies in already and we have no idea why the galaxy is in the state it’s in, and Snoke’s “backstory” could help with that.

is ‘aunt’ pronounced like ‘ant’ or is the ‘au’ pronounced like in ‘australia’, ‘auxiliar’, etc?

growing beards is a tradition??? is shaving also a tradition???

and i have both my mom’s and my dad’s last names. not sure what i’ll do when i get married, but i don’t like the concept of “making” someone else have my last name. or the other way around.

and i’m happy for you belgians, zigzig. (assuming you’re belgian) don’t worry about me, but thanks for being sorry! 😉

i’ll be rooting for you guys now, so that we can be seen as only being defeated by the champions (hehe) and so that you guys get to win your first world cup. you guys definitely deserve it, especially this particular team.

and i totally agree with your points, except for your opinion on Neymar. while i do believe he greatly exaggerates way too many times and should be criticized for diving and stuff (brazilians criticize him too, a lot actually), we shouldn’t overlook his actual talent (i think it’s in there, somewhere) and we should acknowledge that he’s actually recovering from an injury, so while he exaggerated several times, there was some truth in there at least half of those times imo.

anyway, brazil’s first half was pretty bad which was pretty showing of how badly the team prepared for the match, and how they thought it was won before it even began. in the end, we didn’t deserve it.

thanks for being sorry though. at least it wasn’t 7-1 😉

yep. well played indeed.

our defense during the first half played terribly, and we really missed Casemiro today.

anyway, i’m feeling somewhat depressed because of it - i legitimately thought we’d win this one. oh well.

fernandinho’s goal destroyed the team psychologically and de bruyne’s goal was just something else.

fuck man, i don’t know what to say. just good game, well played.

ZigZig said:

oojason said:

Brazil vs Belgium… which defence can hold out the longest? 😉 Hopefully be a game full of skill, flair and chances… Hazard, Mertens, De Bruyne, Coutinho, Neymar & Willian - hope they get to flourish and aren’t cancelled out by negative/safe tactics - or nerves.

Obviously, Belgium’s defence will hold out the longest. There is no other way if we want a final match between Three Lions and Red Devils.

we’ll see about that.

oh god DE, i really really hope all goes well. i’ll be praying too.

here goes nothing

1. Cloak of Deception - version 5 of Hal9000’s edit.
2. The Approaching Storm - version 5 of Hal9000’s edit.
   2,5. Clone Wars - Tartakovsky’s 2003 ~> 2005 series.
3. Revenge of the Sith? Labyrinth of Evil? - haven’t found a preferred version yet, and my current pc can barely open the Spotify app without crashing, so i can’t edit anything right now. Hal makes some very good cuts, but changes the plot around in a way that doesn’t please me. plus he cuts way too much stuff to me. Dom’s cut is pretty good, as is NFBisms, but too many options means a more confused Collipso. i’ll eventually have to edit this one myself.
4. Rogue One - theatrical.
5. Star Wars - 4K77. (waiting for ANH:R HD!)
6. The Empire Strikes Back - Revisited.
7. Return of the Jedi - version 2 of Remastered, by darthrush.
8. The Force Awakens - The Dark Cut, by darthrush.
9. The Last Jedi - The Dark Cut, by darthrush.

well, the discussion quickly turned into a ‘moral values and pc culture’ discussion so i think it fits.

watched Incredibles 2 tuesday. i really liked it, even though i saw the plot twist coming a mile away, and i wanted mr. incredible to beat the shit out of someone at some point, but that didn’t happen. i also thought that we’d see more from the underminer, given how hyped he was to me (mostly because of the ps2 game). i loved jack-jack in this one, i laughed soooo hard when he fought the raccoon. loved it. the first one was still better, but i absolutely loved this one too.

happy birthday, DE. i hope your mother recovers quickly, and that, like mrebo said, you can still try to get some joy out of today.

dude, that’s not at all why mfm is so dedicated to the discussion. he’s simply stating that 99% of people have, at some point, laughed at something that could be considered “acting like a dick” to the “offender”. it’s as simple as that.