I’m a bigger fan of ROTJ than the other two classics, so I probably will disagree with some of the other changes…
I read your words, but I don’t understand them. =P
I walked out of the theater on Thursday night feeling genuinely conflicted. How very different that was from how I felt upon my initial viewings of TFA and Rogue One, which I loved almost immediately (despite their flaws, which they certainly do have).
I’ve avoided coming online for two whole days because I wanted to process what I’d seen on my own before I started getting the opinions of others. But even now, having read through this thread as well as reviews and discussions on several other sites, I’m still not sure how I feel. What a mixed bag TLJ is! There were parts that I loved, absolutely… But there were also things that I HATED (not merely disliked, mind you, but truly hated), and I suppose I wasn’t prepared for that. I need to see it again before I can make up my mind.
Since it’s Thanksgiving week, I’ll go ahead and say that I’m thankful that we’re getting a sequel trilogy featuring the original leads and John Williams scores, with likeable new characters and made with a clear love for the original trilogy.
Hear, hear!
As I understand it, hardly anything is changing from the initial release. He’s just remaking it in HD to match the quality of TESB:R with a few minor revisions such as removing the PT music from the Obiwan vs Vader fight scene that he originally added in his first release.
That aside, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the opening sequence as it is 😉
.Val
This would include, then, some subtle adjustments to the opening shot. As I recall, Ady tinkered with the Tantive IV’s flight path, sped it up a bit, and made it react to the hit it takes right before the scene shifts to the droids.
I’m more exited about this edit than the previous installments, because RotJ contains many of my favorite moments of the saga and the weak parts deserve to be elevated to make this movie even better!
As I’m not as eagle eyed as some of you or Ady, I’m sure he already knows about most of the issues I bring up but just in case…
I’m pretty sure the blade is supposed to be above the railing here:
Luke’s lightsaber being beneath rather than above the railing has ALWAYS DRIVEN ME CRAZY!
RE :Self Reporting, I’m pretty sure if you sent a PM to a moderator requesting to be banned your wishes would be granted 😃
Any Hooo…
This is as much for AR:SE as for ROTJ:R, what with Rogue One having very polished reflective floors in key rooms is it possible or desirable to do something similar for Death Star interiors in other films?
The floors are quite reflective in both films but not to the same mirror effect of Rogue One and I quite liked the effect. It makes the rooms look other worldly and obsessively sterile and buffed. So many OT Death Star sets have dents and scratches and scuff marks. Jedi has some very tatty cobbled together sets which are kind of forgivable for the Rebels but not so much for the Empire.Wouldn’t we need actual reflections of EVERYTHING to make the floor reflective?
Not necessarily accurate reflections. There is a loss of resolution with any reflective surface. What it would take would be someone to make a sample of what is already reflected, Create an abstract reconstruction of the reflection with a bit more detail and blend that with a black background and then rotoscope around the existing surface. It wouldn’t be a perfect mirror but it would be closer to the Rogue One look. Though it would also be a lot of hard work 😄
Or we could not. =P
So on the Blu-ray release, one of the better changes (in my opinion) was that George Lucas went back and adjusted the line so that Palpatine says, “The son of Anakin Skywalker must not become a Jedi.” Makes this make so much more sense.
Adywan changed the line back to the original — why? I actually preferred the version on the Blu-ray release, and I think new viewers to The Empire Strikes Back would appreciate it as well. It is a confusing line.
I changed nothing there. He still says “The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi” on the Blu-Ray release
ziggyonice was a little confused. The actual new line in the Blu-ray release is, “I have no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.”
I didn’t find it confusing.
I was never confused by that line.
I think you guys are underestimating how confused newcomers are to the series when that line is spoken. At this point in the franchise, we only know of one Skywalker: Luke. We haven’t even heard the name other than when referred to with Luke.
While I don’t like all the changes in the Special Editions, editing the line to, “The son of Anakin Skywalker must not become a Jedi” makes it so much easier to understand. The whole line should have been rewritten, frankly.
I see what you mean, but I never had trouble understanding what he meant when I was a newcomer——and I was just five years old when I first saw ESB!
When is the DVD-5 version coming out?
Already have the MKV version but I’m just curious.
This question has been answered many, many, many times. The answer is right in Ady’s post as well as on the WordPress. Please do your homework first.
Now that the moment’s nearly here, I guess it’s finally time for me to ask something I’ve been mulling over for a while now. Unfortunately, in addition to the fact that I have an extremely slow Internet connection, I also don’t have access to either a DVD or a Blu-ray burner. I was hoping that my circumstances would change before ESB:R was released, but now it’s obvious that won’t happen. So, although I’m a little embarrassed to ask, I wondering if there’s anyone who might consider helping me out by burning me a copy and mailing it to me? Or am I not allowed to ask for that? I’d certainly pay for postage and the cost of the disc. Please advise, friends!
(In my best Garven Dreis voice:) YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! =)
Since that post Adywan hasn’t posted anything new. WHAT’S GOING ON ?!? IS HE STILL ALIVE ?!?
Maybe he’s busy working on ESB:R…
I’m gonna wager a guess that MalaStrana was being sarcastic 😉
So was I…
Ummmm… How?
Awesome!
Guys if those last two replies are in response to mine, try to understand that I’m new here (to OT.com), I haven’t read all 1352 pages (read the OP and something like the last 2-3 pages) and there are so many sub-plots / sub-conversations going on in here that often I have no perspective on reading a reply other than actually reading it with no context whatsoever.
So if you’re going to laugh and roll your eyes at me, at the very least point out / explain what it is making you do so. Otherwise you might as well be trolls for all the sense it makes to me 😉
.Valheru
Valheru - No, Lucas didn’t remove that line from the SE. While we certainly do understand that you’re new and haven’t read everything on the forum, you’ve got to recognize how impossible it is to remove that particular line; it’s essential, actually, as it drives the plot of the next film (in RoTJ, Luke’s conversations with Yoda, Obi-wan, and Leia are all informed by this revelation, as is his decision to turn himself in to the Empire on the Endor moon in order to confront Vader and the Emperor). Aside from that, it’s one of the most iconic moments in film history. I agree that people should explain rather than simply laughing and rolling their eyes (and I hope I’ve done that here), but your question was a bit ridiculous.
Then again, the vast majority of the posts here are a bit ridiculous. Welcome to the loony bin…er, I mean forum, Valheru. =)
Hmm… May the horizon come as you go fourth Ady.
But ESB is the FIFTH episode of the saga, not the fourth. =P
Is there a way to block / ignore users on this forum? I don’t really care to see another jedimasterobiwan circle-post on this thread (repeating the same questions, then posting about people attacking him… rinse + repeat). #sorrynotsorry
+1. This feature would be much appreciated.
Agreed.
It was a reasonable question. We’re all a bit braced for annoying or unnecessary, but no point in reacting condescendingly to legitimate posts.
Except it’s not really a legitimate post. Ady has already put out a few trailers. At this point, when he’s so close to a finished product, his priority is obviously completing the project, not stitching together another trailer.
Keep in mind that the purpose of a trailer is to attract an audience to a film and provide a preview of the most interesting aspects of said film. That clearly isn’t necessary at this stage; he’s already got an audience and we already know what he’s doing. Now we just wait. I really don’t understand why that’s so difficult for people, especially when they’ve been reminded again and again that that’s where we are. We need to be patient. End of story.
A very minor tweak is required for 100% Line up of Rogue One and Star Wars (A new Hope)
“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard this ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Original
“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard a ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Fixed
That’s not the original line. The original line is “Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.”
Plus, your “fix” actually makes less sense because Vader goes from using the indefinite article “a,” which would suggest that he’s not sure he has the right ship, to insisting that he knows Leia is the one who received the plans.
I definitely have mixed feelings, but they’re mostly positive. Overall, I really liked the film. Most of my complaints are nit-picky.
First, those planet-identifying title cards. I really, really, didn’t like them. I don’t really know how to explain what bothered me so much about them except to say that they just didn’t feel like Star Wars. We have never needed them before, and some of the locations they introduce (such as, for example, the planet from which the rebels rescue Jyn) barely get enough screen time for their names to really matter to us. Others, such as Yavin 4, are instantly recognizable and simply didn’t need to be identified (I mean, I don’t think anybody would be watching this film unless they’d already seen the main saga). This brings me to another easily identified planet, Mustafar, whose lack of introduction via title card seemed inconsistent with the way other planets had been introduced throughout the film.
On a related note, all that rapid planet hopping in the opening 45 or so minutes of the film was a little disorienting. Too much, too fast. In fact, there were a few points throughout the film where the pacing seemed a little odd.
Next, Vader. His costume was all wrong. Rather than faithfully replicating what we see in ANH (which seems to have been the underlying intention since they went with the red eyes), it seems to be some weird combination of elements from the costumes we see in all three OT films, and it just doesn’t work well. What’s going on with that oversized neck piece that seems to pop out so much? Where is the chain that holds up his cape? His chest armor? The placement of the rear part of his helmet? It just all seemed wrong. So, too, did the voice. While it was obviously good ol’ James Earl Jones speaking, the pitch of his voice didn’t sound quite right. Yes, I know he’s aged and doesn’t sound quite the same as he did even just 11 years ago when voiced Vader in Revenge of the Sith, so I shouldn’t have expected a perfect match, I’ll point out that Vader sounds better on Rebels than he does in Rogue One. Whatever processing they applied to the voice here just wasn’t right. Also, I can totally tell that it’s not David Prowse in the suit. His gait, his stance… it’s just totally, completely different. I also worry that since RO leads so perfectly into the opening of ANH, RO Vader’s badass butchering of those rebel soldiers at the end of the film will make ANH Vader seem hulky, slow, and sort of pathetic by comparison.
The sound effects (particularly the sound of blaster bolts) didn’t really sound consistent with what we hear in episodes 1-6, Clone Wars, and Rebels, all of which are extremely consistent with one another. I had the same issue with TFA, though Rogue One doesn’t seem quite as bad.
Some of the cameos and Easter eggs were nice, but some were just unnecessary fan service. Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba? Really? REALLY?
The digital resurrection of Peter Cushing was the best I’ve ever seen, but the uncanny valley is still there sometimes. Having Tarkin in the film is great and makes sense, but did we need THAT MUCH of him? Just one or two scenes would have been fine, and fewer scenes might have given the crew more time to focus on every frame in which he appears and fine-tune them more precisely. I don’t know how well this CGI Tarkin will age–it’ll be interesting to see how we think it looks ten years down the line.
There’s more, but I don’t want to rant. I also don’t want to make it sounds as though I didn’t enjoy this feel, because I really, really did. In fact, I can’t wait to see it again! It’s by far the best Star Wars prequel yet, and certainly worthy of standing alongside the OT. But there are definitely things that bothered me, and what bothers me most is that they seem like things that should have been easy to get right.
How wude! Meesa so smilin to see dis project, okeyday? Meesa tinks weesa gettin da update would be bein bombad! Yousa all bein terrrrrible to ussen. Peeyewsa.
… identity revealed.
proud of yourself mention the bane of the star wars prequels. also are all of you proud of bullying other star wars fans god forbid they ask about a wampa being made for the empire strikes back because the update of the building of the wampa isn’t frequent. so they feel like they’re too much in dark on what’s going on with it sheesh.
jedimasterobiwan, we are ALL eager for updates, but we try to remain patient. Personally, I’ve been following this project for years, and I don’t recall ever asking for any updates at all–I’m grateful for them whenever they come. Most folks here conduct themselves in much the same way–perhaps you might consider doing the same?. If you’re as old as you say you are, I’m sure you understand that life can get pretty crazy sometimes. Ady is human like the rest of us and has other stuff going on. He’ll update us when he’s made enough progress to merit it.
And please don’t respond to this defensively or indignantly; I’m genuinely not trying to offend. You’re a fellow fan and you’re excited and I get that. But this pattern of your asking for updates and then accusing others of bullying you when they ask you be patient needs to stop.
The way I see it is, if you haven’t donated to the Revisited project, then don’t ask. If you have contributed, I feel like it’s okay to ask if there hasn’t been update in awhile.
I disagree; it’s a donation, not a purchase. If you give money to the project, your contribution is a financial aid and a show of support—that’s all. In no way have you bought yourself the right to expect answers to your questions. This idea has manifested itself again and again on these forums over the years, and I really don’t understand why people feel as though Ady (or his helpers) owes us anything on demand. When he has something to tell us, he always does. When he’s quiet, that means he has nothing new to say. Simple.
Love the removal of Kylo Ren’s “Han Solo” line–a much needed cut.
Don’t you find that the “Finn will be fine” scene is super awkward, though? I guess maybe in context is feels a little less weird? Where in the film did you place it?
Also, while I love the scene itself, I actually think that the decision to remove the “Kylo Searches the Falcon” scene from the film’s final cut was the right one. I mean, would he really have left the Falcon intact? Wouldn’t he have destroyed or at least sabotaged it to prevent his enemies from being able to leave Starkiller Base? It just doesn’t make sense. Just my two cents. Thoughts?
Well, I guess I’m a little late with this, but I haven’t logged in for a couple days. I guess I’v gotten used to this thread being a bit slow lately.
Anyway, as many of you have already said, Ady was the whole reason I first discovered and joined these forums, and his work and the discussion surrounding it has been a major reason why I’ve been coming back for all these years, though I tend to observe more than I contribute.
I’m not really sure what to say except thank you and good luck. ANH:R is my definitive version of the film, and I’ve enthusiastically shared it with many friends over the years. I know your future edits will be amazing, too, and I can’t wait to finally get to see ESB:R in its entirety in the coming months. I hope everything works out well for you! Know that you are respected and appreciated as a fellow fan, as an editor, and as a person.
Now any sort of crash in a modern film would probably be handled in an external shot of the crash rather than the way it is in Empire Strikes Back.
So I wondered had you ever thought about doing the crash “moment” (not bursting through the trees) externally using one of the x-wing models you have?
But ESB is NOT a modern film =P
In all seriousness, while your suggestion is an interesting one, I don’t think modernizing the cinematics of the film is Ady’s goal with Revisited. Just my two cents.
I see what you’re saying about the pitch of Palpatine’s voice, topdawg, and I’ve noticed it before, too, but I guess it’s never really bothered me that much–not sure about anyone else. Plus, the pitch-adjusted lines sound kind of chipmunky to me. Personally, I think I’d just keep the audio as-is in this case.
