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#1111112
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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The Decimator said:

Booshman said:

Here’s an example of a scene with alternate takes and angles used. Some trims and alterations to the timing have been made to keep things in sync.

https://vimeo.com/196940170

Hi, this is my first post on this website. I’ve been researching the Superman saga for a while now, and I thought I’d fill you in. The alternate camera angles of Zod in the TV version are the same ones that appeared in the Lester theatrical release. The majority of that scene was shot by Donner in 1977, but in order to receive full credit on the film, Lester reshot several scenes that Donner already filmed. Note how the background behind Zod is different in Lester’s version. It wasn’t until the Donner cut that this scene was restored to its original form without Lester’s refilmed close ups.

For more info on the differences between the two versions, here’s a handy guide courtesy of Capedwonder:
http://www.capedwonder.com/superman-ii-article/

I think this information is pretty well known by most know. Spotting who shot what is easy enough due to the different look of the actors.

The point of that clip was to recreate the TV cut version of the scene in widescreen, using video from the bluray. There are several identical lines between the theatrical and Lester, that are filmed from different angles and read at different speeds. For example “What do you want? I can see the greed written on your face”, is in the TV version as filmed by Lester, It’s in the Donner cut as filmed by Donner, and it’s not in the Theatrical cut at all. So the Donner shot was retimed to fill in for the Lester shot as that is presently all we have.

Hopefully this sort of workaround won’t be needed soon, and we can get an official release from WB.

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#1083924
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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TylerDurden389 said:

Booshman said:

I think you’re right.

Why not just PM some of them with the request? Don’t even talk about it on the board.

To be blunt, because I’ve got better stuff to do than sending out PM’s in the hope that someone will help out with the project. People who frequent FE tend to look on here too. I have some people on fanres who have offered to help, and have given feedback, but none with a 5.1 setup. I guess there isn’t as much interest in this as I thought there was. I’ll just get on with other things until this project can be finished properly.

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#1083596
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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hiphats said:

Update for you…

I have been in touch with The Criterion Collection and it’s head, Jon Mulvaney, concerning and suggesting SUPERMAN, and got a prompt response promising he will share that suggestion with his colleagues at Criterion. And yes, I did suggest they include all three versions of the film (they did with THE NEW WORLD, which is also a Warner title). Considering I did this now since the 40th anniversary is December 2018, if they do go through with this, it will take a long time getting it all together.

The URL is criterion.com if you fans want to suggest this too.

That’s good to hear, I’ll definitely message them.

In the meantime if anyone wants to preview part 2 on their 5.1 setup let me know. I am eager to get this out, but not before i can verify the sound is ok.

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#1078277
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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Hi, sorry for the extra delay, but I think everyone will agree it was worth the wait for the extra I’ve been working on. I’ve re-done the audio in 5.1. As I hadn’t originally planned to do this none of the 6 channel audio was synched up with the RIC. I had just cut the video to the original stereo ac3 file, so I had to do that again from scratch. I then had the issue of the scenes which only exist in stereo in the RIC. I’ve gone and used other scenes where the same music is playing and edited them to fit, or in the circumstances where there were sound effects present, used the FSM soundtrack. Other scenes have no score, so I’ve re-used the ambient effects in the surround channels from similar or the same scenes.

If anyone has a surround sound set up and can watch and offer feedback please let me know. I’d like to have a couple of people give it the once over to make sure there are no issues before the main release.

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#1065301
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Superman III recoloured
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Ok this thing is finally done!

Bluray features :

DTSHD-MA 5.1 bluray audio
PCM 2.0 laserdisc audio
DTSHD-MA 2.0 isolated score
Commentary by Alexander Salkind & Pierre Spengler
Commentary by Oliver Harper and Duncan Casey
Commentary by Captain Logan and Oliver Harper
All non English audio tracks
All subs

Original at the top, Recolour at the bottom.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/9vnQdoU.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/VUENt39.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/aqua5DX.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xBGWm5j.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/9Ga891L.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/I1Z3fnv.jpg[/img]

Now on the organ website.

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#1061251
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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TServo2049 said:

Perhaps the deleted scenes on the DVD/BD were indeed from the original elements, combined with the mono TV cut mix. I know that the Blazing Saddles releases with its deleted scenes also have them in widescreen, but with the censored TV audio. I believe that the same thing happened with The Goonies as well, they’re in widescreen but with a full mix and at least one instance of redubbed profanity. I’ve always wondered if they had some kind of widescreen master that was used to make the pan and scan (like the so-called “director’s cut” of Supergirl which has mono sound and censored dialogue characteristic of a TV version), or if it was restored picture conformed to the P&S TV cut and synched to the audio.

I’m inclined to think it was the former. The picture quality isn’t all that great for the deleted footage and has not been restored. Seems like a lot of work to go and get the original elements, edit them so they are frame accurate to the TV cut, but present them in SD with no restoration.

In the making of featurette on the Donner Cut, Michael Thau is showing Donner the “Power of Three” deleted scene. You don’t see it but they mention they would have to fix the crappy effect when they break through into the fortress. If the clip was made from the original elements, back to the negative like the rest of the footage, wouldn’t there be no effect?

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#1060624
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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hiphats said:

The 2 inch videotape I believe was transferred from the 16mm pan-and-scan/standard master print of the TV cut prepared for worldwide television release.

Oh OK. I wonder what the source for the deleted scenes on the bluray was? All of the footage is cut exactly as it is on the TV version but in widescreen. I assumed there would be a tape of the International Version in the archives that had the full aspect ratio. Do you think that Stuart Baird perhaps edited these scenes prior to them switching focus to Superman 1, and they were then thrown in to the TV version in the state they were left?

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#1060576
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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hiphats said:

As we get closer to the 40th Anniversary of STM, I would like to jump in here and add to the current fate of the Superman extended International cut (as it has been commonnly called). Last year we officially learned more about the status of this cut from the Warner Archive Podcast. According to the podcast. all WB has at this point is a 2 inch broadcast tape master of the longer cut, but all the elements of STM do exist and so it is possible to do a high quality remaster in HD. But the potential cost in putting together a proper cut at least for blu ray release is high, but George Felenstein (my spelling may be wrong) is confident an official release will happen at some point. Any decision, according to George, would have to be made at a higher level than the Warner Archive, but he certainly is putting a good word to them. And with the Criterion Collection now releasing special editions of Warner films, I imagine they will put out a collector’s edition of STM a la their recent release of “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” (where you have both the General Release and restored Roadshow versions plus some stuff).

Thanks fo the useful info! Do you know if the 2 inch tape in widescreen? I would assume so based on the deleted scenes on the bluray.

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#1058938
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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stretch009 said:

ger-el said:

The KCOP or Salkind International Cut that was being worked on by some dedicated fans has been completed. It is the longest cut of Superman The Movie. It clocks in at 188 minutes. The clean up is good. It’s presented in full frame with mono audio as it was originally presented on its TV airings. It contains footage not found on any official release. Check out Caped Wonder for more information. Really great for any other Superman fans out there.

Where on Caped Wonder?

http://www.capedwonder.com/superman-the-movie-extended/

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#1057155
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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OK, looks like Superman 2 is just about done. I need to add in the little bit of footage from Superman the Movie that’s in there for no good reason, and then I can try a render. Going to need a set of eyes to look this over and check for errors. With all the manual panning and scanning, as well as all of the colour correction and different sources, there’s many possible ways it might need fixing. Give me a shout if you want a preview.

Here’s the timelines to give an idea of the amount of work this has been.

Top: HD sources (bluray/HDTV) synced to the RIC audio
Middle: Shots panned and scanned. Some RIC scenes audio retimed
Bottom: RIC exclusive footage added in/ recolured

[img]http://i.imgur.com/8wCwvO9.jpg[/img]

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#1050551
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts: Where have the preservations gone?
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A small update after being away from this project over Chinese New Year:

I have finished work on Superman 2 up to the point where I need to add in the RIC footage. I still need to try ang get that looking as good as possible before adding it into the project. All the footage is P&S, and colour corrected. I’ve also replaced the credits and a few scenes (where the blown out whites of the bluray are particularly noticeable), with footage from the HDTV airing. The villains released from the Phanzom Zone and Coca Cola sign explosion are 2 examples.

I need to clear out some hard drive space to get myself in a position to render when it’s all done. Then on to Superman 3.

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#1048142
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Highlander II - The ZEIST Collection
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Probably the only people you are going to get that from are Mitch and Phineasbg. Neither of whom have been active on the boards recently, so you may be out of luck there, for the time being.

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