I agree they are obvious in the bar scene, but the rest... I mean, your 12-minute video preview looked promising, but now I'm not sure what to think about all this.
The difference is so subtle compared to the Blu-ray that I don't really see the point anymore. Unless you compare the 2 at the same time, you'll see it's a bit different, otherwise, you'll just feel like watching the Blu-ray. Where is your will to match the 35mm in this?
Harmy said:
Many cinemas actually use BDs for showing older movies.
That was not the case, as there were exploitation visa numbers for each one that don't appear in the Blu-ray subtitles. But I do suspect that's what they did in another theater I went some months ago to see Forrest Gump: the subtitles were so badly done and had the same font as on the Blu-ray. What a pity! And the whole thing lacked some definition.
I just got back from a trilogy screening in DCP in Paris, France. The wheels were yellow and it felt more scrubed (probably DNR) than the DCP rip we know about and already have, so there is a new DCP that's likely to be a Blu-ray match.
Yes, that last one is better. 'Cause the ones before, just above, are really, really red. What happened to the blacks in the shadows, the hair, the cave, the dark areas of the forest?
Well, maybe it's not supposed to be that dark. But it does give the scene a creepy mood that I like better and helps make the T-Rex more real. When brighten, you see just by looking at his feet that it's fake.
Anyway, when starting with the 2D Blu-ray :
... and matching it to the 3D Blu-ray :
... I obtain this :
So it is possible to have a Jurassic Park with better colors and not DNRed like hell. It's still darker than the 2D, but less than the 35mm scan... and unfortunately the feet reveal the phony business.
Tobar said:
Mmmm....I saw Jurassic Park in 35mm back in the day. I don't recall it ever being that dark.
So did I, and me neither. It's been 22 years, though. But the recently released 35mm scan from guys here on OT revealed that.
Starting with this from the Blu-ray :
... to match this from 35mm :
... I obtained this :
So it seems possible to have both the HD from the Blu-ray and the dark creepy mood from the 35mm.
Definitely looks better than the 1st clip. Especially in the dark shots. Have you consider using Chewtobacca's Blu-ray based on Wowow broadcast and another HD broadcast to get rid of Wowow subtitle and logo instead of the official Blu-ray? Or maybe both of them, to have the best of the 2, as the official Blu-ray digitally switched on a lightbulb in the end and, if I remember correctly, zoomed in some shots in the submarine hangar. And on top of that, the official Blu-ray has a weird "waving lines" effect, maybe a side effect of optical effects, I don't know, as in the very beginning, on the mountain shot at the bottom of the frame, and on a few occasions later in the movie.
I like your shot of the T-1000 facing us in the steel factory, with the chains behind him and liquid steel in fusion. Less orange, more yellow and the whole shot looks as if it was 35mm in its texture, well, you know. Apart from that one, the one with Arnold smiling at his Minigun and Arnold in the desert are fine, but the rest... no way. I have never that blue and absolutley nowhere near that amount of saturation.
The 35mm print I saw absolutely did NOT look like that, PDB.
Interesting that in Italy they added "dopo la distruzione", which means "after the destruction" (or "after Judgment Day" as we call it since 1991) if I'm not mistaken. It's not there on the original English text and not in the French one either.
MrBrown said:
There was a French DVD Release which had the voices for the time and places intact.
Probably the first one, from TF1 Vidéo with mono audio, so before it was remixed.
There appears to be a textless remastered master somewhere accessible to professionnals, as TCM France aired last year the remastered Terminator with French texts. It's the first time I saw it like that:
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The French MGM "Édition collector" 2 DVD set from 2001 also has the introduction text and time and place burnt-ins removed. And we also missed the voice-over on them. It was all replaced by subtitles. It's the same discs in Belgium, only the packaging was different.
And then, for the Ultimate Edition in 2005, they changed the master, so the texts were back in and the voices, too (except for the one on "Los Angeles, 1984. 1h52").
thxita said:
Surely France had a localized version! Any French owner of Terminator on LD/VHS?
As a kid, I've always seen The Terminator with English opening text and time and place informations such as "Los Angeles, 2029 AD" and "Los Angeles, 1984" plus the time that I don't remember (something like 1:22 AM or whatever). Actually, the original French dub even put a voice-over to translate all that. That's almost still the case now on Blu-ray, except for the "Los Angeles, 1984" that's now mute.
Well, the facility scene is way closer to the 35mm print. But not the rest.
Right, thanks. So it's very similar. No point using it as a basis.
I don't know the US Live. Is it the same deal as the Studio Canal colorwise?
There has been a Columbia Tristar first DVD release in France for T2, before Studio Canal Ultimate Edition. Do you guys know how it looks? Maybe the same one got released in the UK or somewhere else?
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Since the source is open matte, will you make a 1.33:1 release or is the open matte revealing crew stuff, like microphones, set limits, CGI not entirely covering the frame, etc. ?
Well, then "closer" than the previous release anyway.
So, is this the thread where the Jurassic Park 35mm release is discussed?
Anyway, I just watched it, and it was indeed a pretty cool experience. I saw it in theater in 1993 and couldn't remember how it looked. So now, I know that the 3D Blu-ray is a close match colorwise.
Now I know that this is a raw v1.0 that I just watched, but here's my comments anyway, and I'm sure the guys behind it are already aware of these:
- colors do look pale. I believe it would need to be more saturated.
- night scenes are really dark. Is that supposed to be so dark? Maybe to create a creepy mood? I don't know, but that's not how it looks on video since whenever and a lot of details are lost in this dark environment, even on the actors' faces.
- some stabilization would be good, as the movie shakes on many occasions.
- there are some brightness on the left and right sides that is very noticeable, especially in the beginning and ending credits, where the whole frame is black, except for the inscriptions of the credits of course.
And finally, on the plus side: digital creatures do integrate a lot better on film, that's for sure. The T-Rex, the raptors, the galimimuses never looked so real on video. So thanks. Looking forward for the next v2.0 release.
There! That's the yellow and the cyan I remember:
It would be closer to this:
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I did this using the Skynet edition, so it lacks grain obvioulsy. I could darken it a little.