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Adywan said:

I've played about with the binocular shot. Here is the revised version. Make sure you watch the 720p version though because youtubes compression on the SD version is pretty crappy

http://youtu.be/HNfl0K3iRmA

 

EDIT: It still looks pretty crappy in HD. Here is a download link for the 720p mkv of this shot:

https://hotfile.com/dl/197542645/33e9732/binocs_revised.mkv.html

Thats alot better Ady. The contrast in the shot is alot closer to the original now, and the scan lines brings it alot closer also; however, the walkers where alot more blurry in the original.  Adding some blur to the CG walkers would better match the quality of the walkers shown in the original. Aslo, there was some vignetting around the original binoculars. Could you add some around the ones in the new shot?

Harmy said:

On Vimeo, when you click the download button, you can actually download the original MKV file - 1080p for the comparison video.

The MKV file is way better than the MP4. Alot more detail!

Adywan said:

The new binocular shot was first rendered with CG walkers, then transferred to video tape and then shot using a video camera filming the video being played on a small CRT TV with the tracking/ signal being messed with. The original was also recorded using a camera filming off a crt monitor.

That makes sense. Just curious, was the frame rate of your CGI Walkers rendered ( on the PC ) at 24fps or 30fps. If it was rendered at 24 then that could probably be why the shot doesn't have that live video kind of look to it.

timdiggerm said:

I actually think the establishing shot of the walkers, which Bingo describes as too static, is too revealing. They're pretty clearly Imperial Walkers, so why the binoculars? Might be better if there's fog or mist that clears right around then.

I think the original reveal had the walkers just barely visible in the distance. I'm too lazy to put in the video so can anyone confirm this?

LOL, that was a good lie.   This makes me wonder about the Red vs. Green Lasers debate we had a long time ago....

Wow, things have really picked up here again, and I see Ady has a new clip up. Ady I thought you weren't going to put the AT-ST's back in, what happened?  Also the binocular shot of the walkers needs more tweaking. It looks CGI. The original looked like it was filmed from a video camera. It had a very specific look to it. It looked very much like it was 30 frames a sec.

 I really liked how the AT-ST's walked like the original one did, and not like the JEDI AT-ST's. Also, Someone mentioned a blast hit that shows up on one of the walkers as Luke flies under one. That definitely needs attention. I also liked the new tactical displays in the snow speeders.  It would also be cool if you could hear some radio chatter from the speeder pilots as the battle progresses. It was done in a new hope during the Yavin battle, why not for ESB?

Other than that, there is not much more I can say at the moment, the clip was really short. Haft to watch it a few times to pic up on other stuff.

Great work as usual Ady!

Just a typo. Glad you caught it.

Another person for Ady to add in the list of credits, Stuart Freeborn passed away tuesday at the age of 98. Ady should put him right beside Irvin Kershner. Stuart Freeborn RIP, if it weren't for you we would not have the yoda we all know today.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Hey, what's up with the hostility? Half of this thread has been personal attacks against people for having an opinion...

Your guess is as good as mine.  All I did was come in and comment on the news, and what did I get, an asinine responce from someone that had no business doing so in the first place.

marcchome said:

glad you put that goy in his place..... lol. dude acts like he put in work with lucas or something... just another fan with a sense of some type of entitlement... shits on J.J. Abrams but he is rich based off his work. mean while the keyboard warrior thinks he some one special cause he spends his days on a star wars forum and is "plugged in" lmaof!!!!! get a girlfrien you lame and log off.

Well actually, I don't cruise this site very often. It's only until just recently that I came in and commented on the news, and low and behold when I did, you popped up, and showed how bad you really where. Actually, bad is probably an understatement, maybe you should go and google that, you seem to use it alot. Maybe it will improve your spelling.

Laserschwert said:

Yeah, Abrams is probably stupid, because he directed something you didn't like. But hey, I'm probably just as stupid, because I liked that movie a lot. The only one here who's not stupid is you :)

Hey, what ever makes you happy man.

CP3S said:

Wait? Has it not already been ruined for us fans of the OT? I wasn't aware there were any of us left who still did trust anything coming out of Lucasfilm.

The only thing about Disney purchasing Star Wars that excites or interests me is the potential of the original trilogy eventually making its way to Blu-ray. Beyond that, I really have a hard time caring.

I'm not sure if there is a director out there that might have been able to get me excited about this (Duncan Jones, maybe?), but J. J. Abrams isn't it.

Well with Disney acquiring Lucasfilm and George out of the picture, there was a fleeting moment of hope that this might be a good thing. Now like you I'm really more looking forward to a bluray release of the original trilogy instead.

As far as directors go, I think they need to find somebody who is not really a sci-fi director. A director thats more character driven instead of action driven. A director who knows how to balance the story with FX.

marcchrome said:

dude grow up... he originally said no then changed his mind....... look it up on google

That one made me laugh. Maybe thats a good thing that you don't know how to read.

Laserschwert said:

You do realize that the director isn't responsible for the story, right? ;)

I am fully aware that  Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman wrote Startrek 09. How Abrams could go with what they wrote is beyond me.  But on the other hand maybe Abrams is just as stupid as the writers are. I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

TV's Frink said:

A liar and puppet?  lol.

lol, not a complete puppet, just a puppet of a sense.

And what did they do to change his mind?  They probably wrote him out a big fat check. You don't just hound someone till they change their mind.

You know, if episode 7 flops or preforms lower than expected because of him, starwars could very well be ruined for us OT fans, because no OT fan is going to trust anything coming out of lucasfilm.

Yeah, a smart move statistically. My problem with Abrams ( aside from his startrek history ) is that he already stated publically that he wanted nothing to do with the starwars franchise because he was already committed to the startrek franchise. Telling us one thing and doing another makes him a liar and a puppet of a sense. I don't expect these new starwars  films to be what people have been expecting them to be ( including myself ) if lucasfilm going to choose/ con people like this.

I never like Abrams star trek reboot. It was too fast paced and virtually no story to tell and mostly all revolved visual FX. It played off like a second take on Star trek Nemisis.

I have a sneaky suspicion that George Lucas is at the root of this decision.

I saw starwars in theaters in 77. I can only remember the major parts, like the  Mos eisley cantina, Ben and Vader fighting, and the death star battle. I don't remember any scene in particular that stood out as most memorable.

Saw empire in 1980 in theaters. Can remember seeing quite a bit of it. Most of which ( again ) where the highlights. The hoth battle, asteroid field, space slug, Cloud city, Ben and Luke fighting, Luke training on dagobah and meeting yoda.  I believe the Hoth Battle was the only thing that really stood out for me. No one had ever seen anything like the AT-AT's, or snow walkers, as I use to call them back then.

Saw Jedi in theaters in 1983. I remember the news talking about the THX sound system. I stood outside the theater ( at night ) for two hours, in the rain with a line stretched around the building and back around. People where sneaking back in to see it twice. All the good seats where taken also. Had to sit on the extreme right side of the theater if I recall, but it was worth it.

I really remember vaders entrance in Jedi because every cheered as he walked down the ramp from his shuttle. The space battle was the second most memorable because nobody had ever seen any thing like it on screen. There was so much stuff going on in the battle. Lukes Green light sabre was a crowd catcher also. Everybody laughed when the Ewoks did something. I believe the speeder bike chase was probably the most memorable part of Jedi aside from the Space battle that really had an impact on me.

The I think I saw Jedi a couple of time in theaters, but cant remember exactly how many times. The details of all 3 movies start getting a bit fuzzy right after the VHS versions came out for rent because after watching those, you start to forget what you first saw in theaters, as opposed to what you saw/ remember from VHS.

ESB:R will get finished. It's just that right know he is not able to work on it. I expect a spring release of next year.

Tuxsam said:

Is this reliable? It looks like they nailed the 3D releases.

Marketsaw is a reliable source, but they are not the only ones giving out that same news. I think Aint it cool.com has the same news also.

Mike O said:

Did they restore the OOT before the creation of the SEs? Where would they get prints if they didn't? Splice it together? Which audio mix would they use? How would they remix it? Where would they draw the line in the changes made prior to the SEs? Would they recomposite effects or use the old ones? Garbage mattes? Way too many questions. And who is SuperShadow?

Lucasfilm went back to the original negatives, cleaned it up, and recomposited certain elements, and made a HD digital masters for the 97 special editions, before any new FX work was added. Some of this has already been address by Rick Maccullum for the video release of the 97 SE's. All the original film elements still exist today, including the original negative, and it's still not to far gone to be used again. It can still be color corrected. They did it for the 97 special editions, and it can be done again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhLUdy3RDpM

The FX work was done digitally, That means the print was scanned into a server ( or some disc based system ) for ILM to add the new FX work. Then that was exported to the editing dept to composite and edit everything together digitally. Then that was reprinted on analog film.

The master copy for the OUT audio is in analog. All the sound elements were recorded on tape. Later on they were digitized. No one recordes a master copy soundtrack in Dolby, DTS ( now known as DATASAT DIGITAL SOUND) or SDDS. Studios have to contract out for that. The studio soundtrack masters today are recorded digitally as uncompressed audio files, and they stay that way through the editing process. And the soundtrack files are stored as uncompressed audio files for later use.

Mike O said:

I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole or anything, but why should we believe you about your "sources?" Who are they? Will Harris be involved? Where would they get original film elements? This is so many years in the future, who's to say that it'll happen anyway? Who's to say that Lucas didn't put some sort of cast-iron clause in his contract to forever lock out the OOT? Especially given what's happened with the Library of Congress situation.

You have the right to believe anything you want to.

Sources say that restored prints of the OUT are in the works, so a bluray release is a shure thing IMO. And I personally hope the Disney restored prints are what the 3D versions are going to be from and not from the ones on the current bluray.

Brooks said:

I keep reading on different forums about "sources" saying we'll get OUT.  Is anyone able to supply any firm info on this?  Who are these sources?  You don't have to name them but maybe let us know if they're somebody with legitimate inside knowledge?

Nothing has been officially announced. My connections come from the theatrical venues, 3D and 2D so there are really no names that can be quoted; however, these sources have good connections with the House of Mouse.

Davnes007 said:

But, will the colors be fixed?

And, will it have Dolby sound?

The negative that the 1997 Special editions were made from has the correct colors. The blue cast the we see in the blurays and DVD's was a post process done for the video release. But who knows, Di$ney may want to do a complete restoration from the original film elements.

As far as sound goes I expect to see a 7.1 DTS Master Audio track and with any luck, an original 2.0 track.

From what I have heard Steven Speilberg, Niel BloomKamp ( District 9 ),  Alfonso Cuaron ( Children of Men and Gravity ), Matthew Vaughn ( Kick Ass and First Class ), Darren Arnofsky ( The Fountain and Noah ) and Joss Whedon ( Avengers  and Serenity ) are some of the few names being panned around at Disney/ Lucasfilm. Also, sources I have read are pretty certain that this trilogy will center Around Luke Skywalker, and Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford  are on board to reprise their roles as older characters.

Also I have heard that there will be another trilogy after this next one and will center around the skywalker kids, but this immediate trilogy ( 7, 8, and 9 ) will follow the tone and method of the Original trilolgy.

From sources that I have heard from, expect restored prints of the OUT to surface in the near future folks. This could possibly be the same year episode 7 comes out.

Time will tell about this fan edit folks in regards to the news. I recommend that Ady stick with the original plan unless something happens.

Ziz said:

At this point, the only guaranteed release date is "eventually".

It'll be done when it's done, not before.

If he's still on track for a 2012 release date, and still hasn't given a specific release day or month, a December release IMO seems very plausible, and not a "It'll be done when it's done". Weather or not it's December, this seems like Ady is pretty sure about about releasing ESB:R late this year, and Ady loves to release things around Xmas time.