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#1493978
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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vranir said:

Quick note - There’s a weird faint overlay during a few seconds of the conversation with the fake Jedi. Not sure why.

Cheers. I’ll look into it when i Get back home. 99% sure it’s a render issue, so will have to re-render. Enjoy the the edit further in the meantime. ❤️

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#1493822
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

revel911 said:

Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?

Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.

I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.

I was thinking you could grab the elevator doors have them close quicker.

I really don’t know which scene you are referring to. Could you give me a timestamp or explain further?

I just deleted v1 knowing v2 was coming. It’s the 2 seconds of take on the right side as Obiwan is running in the elevator and the elevator door is closing while the the water is coming. I was just wondering if the best way to rather than mask out, to mask new sliding elevator doors that cover Tala.

Due to the water it won’t give rewarding results, as I would literally have to create a new fluid simulation on top of that - or to mask the commander/Tala with it. I don’t think the footage has to be edited further, as it’s a blink and you miss it moment and it’s heavily pixelated.

As for the V2 update:

Very, very soon. The last two renders crashed for some weird reason, so I’ll have to try again tonight.

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#1493623
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

revel911 said:

Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?

Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.

I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.

I was thinking you could grab the elevator doors have them close quicker.

I really don’t know which scene you are referring to. Could you give me a timestamp or explain further?

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#1493586
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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revel911 said:

Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?

Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.

I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.

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#1493505
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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PodracingThisIs91 said:

Hey Anjohan! I watched the V1, great stuff, now we have the Kenobi we deserved. The one that was hidden in the series, as you pointed out from the very beginning, even before the series was half way through. Glad to read that V2 is on the works now, I think the changes you pointed out can help improve the film and the parts you have chosen not to change are the parts I wouldn’t change either for the V2, they work as they are.

About the Haja and Obi-Wan conversation before The Alternate Rescue, I agree with Glogus that the “making amends” should come back, as it explains why Haja accepts to help (It might be too on the nose for some, but to me, it helps clarify he is not a bad guy, just has been derailed from the good path a bit in this hard times, but has a good hart), but I think the scene works as it is, except I would mute or delete one of Obi wan sentences on it. With Kenobi’s determined “and you are going to help me” we don’t need the doubtful “will you help me?” that comes later. I think going from “and you will help me” to Haja’s acceptance/resignation gesture should be enough. A jedi is telling you to give help and you will. Then Haja can “make amends” to keep him there the rest of the film.

Another scene that might (might not) work better is, when Obi and Leia argue in the ship escaping the destructor (I wish there was a way of explaining why they don’t send the Thai fighters immediately or why they don’t obliterate the ship entirely, or at least a way to make the entire sequence 30 seconds long, to avoid the other 2 options). So having Obi wan argue with Leia, then fixing things with her, then talking to an adult (Haja) about making certain she gets home then leaving ship maybe flows better than: argue- Haja talk -fix things with Leia -leave, as it is now.

All in all, love this edit already as is, this is going to be my go-to (or the V2) when I want to revisit Kenobi (which I now want to do, not as with the series).
I think your job and nightmares sequence works really well and does the job way better than the series cut, and the alternative rescue as you call it would feel natural to a newcomer. Your point for Obi not using the force there is solid to me.

Many thanks to Andreas and every one participating in this.

PD: I know this was out the minute I first watched it, but thanks for cutting out the dumbest backflip ever recorded in the history of TV

Thank you so much for your kind words. I’m thrilled you liked it. ❤️

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#1493503
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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Alterations:

  • Cut 2 min 40 seconds from Mapuso (as suggested above). It does indeed lose some momentum, and the pace of removing the Stormtroopers taking extreme interest in Obi-Wan and Leia and all that (although a good enough scene in its own merit) does increase the flow a lot and help in the film structure.
  • Reeva does now throw the knife (again), and THEN the Jedi (Nari) run like it is presented in my edit (as suggested by GLogus).
  • Cut Reeva landing in her own, private ship with the Stormtroopers on Jabiim. Instead, she simply has arrived WITH her troops - and the bombardment and shooting of the Rebel Door is all increasingly dramatic and better paced, as to not waste too much time on silly shananigans (me).
  • The Laser Gate on Dayiu is instantly shot at by Obi-Wan, and instantly opens. This doesn’t make the Laser Gate seem like this giant obstacle that it does in the series/film. Obi-Wan (and Anakin) used to shoot door panels all throughout the series, so this is totally in character and should actually work as a homeage of sorts (Glogus and me).
  • Smoothen out audio transition with Reeva talking to her thugs (as suggested by GLogus), as some might find it confusing.
  • Cut the line “The Jedi hunt themselfes” from Reeva speaking to her thugs, as I cut the Grand Inquisitor’s delivery of the line on Tattooine (this I actually had forgotten about, thank you, Glogus).
  • Smoothen Haja and Obi-Wan conversation before The Alternate Rescue.
  • Restructured the way Tala executes her own Stormtroopers (the original is weird af i realized). Now I feel it truly works.
  • Smoothened some audio transition over the place

Things that will NOT be changed (that’s not mentioned up above):

  • The ending (Luke and Owen, Qui-Gon)
  • The line “So have you come to kill me?”. It doesn’t work without it I feel, because they just instantly attack one another, and also - Obi-Wan came down to the planet to FIGHT HIM. So, it does work.
  • Probably anything else mentioned that is not mentioned up above (but i’ve probably forgotten stuff, so ask me if you’re confused or curious).

(Not going to render just yet - waiting to see if there’s something I’ve forgotten)

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#1493169
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@Vranir: I’ll probably have it ready till tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, so shouldn’t be too long a wait. It’s literally just “cut and trim” alterations to be made - which is a delightful change. The major work is all done in V1.

@DZ-330: I actually like the little underline to the left from the original. I think it’s nice symmetry, hehe.

I’ll keep the “A Star Wars Story” because I think it’s beautiful and it fits, but I’ll make the “Kenobi” more the focus point. Good idea.

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#1493159
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Work has commenced on V2. I was supposed to take a longer break, but f*ck it, I’m a perfectionist and I can’t let things rest if I see potential.

The suggestions I’ve had from some of you are more than good, and there aren’t many I disagree with. I’ll go into more details before release and update,

but here’s the more major alterations:

  • Cut 2 min 40 seconds from Mapuso (as suggested above). It does indeed lose some momentum, and the pace of removing the Stormtroopers taking extreme interest in Obi-Wan and Leia and all that (although a good enough scene in its own merit) does increase the flow a lot and help in the film structure.
  • Reeva does now throw the knife (again), and THEN the Jedi (Nari) run like it is presented in my edit (as suggested by GLogus).
  • Cut Reeva landing in her own, private ship with the Stormtroopers on Jabiim. Instead, she simply has arrived WITH her troops - and the bombardment and shooting of the Rebel Door is all increasingly dramatic and better paced, as to not waste too much time on silly shananigans (me).
  • The Laser Gate on Dayiu is instantly shot at by Obi-Wan, and instantly opens. This doesn’t make the Laser Gate seem like this giant obstacle that it does in the series/film. Obi-Wan (and Anakin) used to shoot door panels all throughout the series, so this is totally in character and should actually work as a homeage of sorts (Glogus and me).
  • Smoothen out audio transition with Reeva talking to her thugs (as suggested by GLogus), as some might find it confusing.
  • Cut the line “The Jedi hunt themselfes” from Reeva speaking to her thugs, as I cut the Grand Inquisitor’s delivery of the line on Tattooine (this I actually had forgotten about, thank you, Glogus).
  • Smoothen Haja and Obi-Wan conversation before The Alternate Rescue.

… and more, as suggested. This is just from the top of my head.

Things that will NOT be changed:

  • The line “How old are you?”. Simply because it is meant to be playful, and it does create some great banter between them. In the heat of everything going on and all the questions Obi-Wan is asked from this (at the time, to him) troublesome little girl, this scene made my girlfriend chuckle a lot. This being a family saga (and a family film), I don’t find it a smart move to remove EVERYTHING that goes slightly against logic. Sometimes, a little family lightness goes a long way.
  • Obi-Wan using the force on the window in the new, alternate Escape. Reason: Obi-Wan using the force in an impactful way does ruin the implication that when Obi-Wan DOES use his force powers in full (later saving Leia), is when Anakin can sense him. Therefore, Obi-Wan using the force can not be kept for reasons of believability and continuity.
  • The line “Who’s in the gutter now?”. Although it’s original reference is gone, the line still holds value in the sense that it shows Reeva’s hatred for the Grand Inquisitor. Having removed a lot of the Inquisitor Banter and cringe in the film, this line serves as a nail in the coffin imo. Removing it would most likely leave certain audience members confused as to why she killed him in the first place. When she delivers the line, we will immediately ASSUME that this is the way the Grand Inquisitor has ALWAYS treated her - like a gutter rat.

@VulgarisMagistralis: I haven’t noticed anyone having issues with this, and on repeat viewings I still can’t find issue with this if I try. I think the reason Leia is running is because, for the first time in her life, she is being SHOT AT, and this is why she is running and panicking. I think it works. Thank you for your suggestion tho’.

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#1492940
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Know that I read your reviews and comments both here and in the PM’s, and I’m very glad most of you like it and I am also very happy for good, constructive feedback.

I will revisit with some changes when my Kenobi Fatigue wears off a little (if all, then i probably won’t touch it until 2023) and then we’ll have some requested alterations.

I will come back to the changes that will be made, and the changes that are requested that will NOT be made probably sometime next week or thereafter - When I feel like pumping out the final changes.

Nothing major, and nothing that would require a ton of work - luckily. 😃

Thank you all for the beautiful compliments and encouraging words, and know that I read and appreciate every comment and feedback. Even though this is my fanedit and my vision, I think being a faneditor it’s a beautiful thing to also listen to the community and shape things in a way that is still true to your vision but in a general sense makes the product more approachable from all different, subjective angles. So I’m happy to do a V2. 😃

Meanwhile, enjoy the edit, enjoy other edits, and have a great week! See you soon.

  • Your friend, Anjohan / Andreas.

ALSO, PS: If any of you found issue with some sound being too loud and downloaded the Stereo version, know that the 5.1 version adresses the compressed musical alterations and deliver a better sound experience by far. 😃

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#1492721
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Cheers. I might do a “Depressive Cut” somewhere down the line as I would love to try a more mature and radical approach, more in line with my (outdated) The Ancient Lore edit.

But as a well-paced, cringeless and tonally stable Star Wars addition I’m more than satisfied with the edit. I might remove that line when/if I decide to finetune or alter something. As of right now I’m Kenobi fatigued.

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#1492315
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The Edit Is Done

So, yes. I don’t know what to say really. The edit is done. Today. Five minutes ago.

Thank you all for coming up with ideas, feedback, constructive criticism and both challenging yourselfs as well as me and the community in coming up with ideas that not only would help to keep true to the spirit of Star Wars but also at certain places massively improve upon original scenes.

I’m rendering the 10 GB (9.7 to be exact) STEREO surround file now, and then work will continue tomorrow and monday on finalizing the 5.1 surround and then doing that render as well. And then I will have to do the credits (which will take some time, going through this entire thread again - hehe) - and then! - we’re kinda at the finish line.

Of course things might change in the future and a V2 or something might come along, but as of right now and for some upcoming months; I am both PROUD and totally DONE with Kenobi: A Star Wars Story! Fatigue has kicked in, and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I’ve enjoyed working with you and the film.

The goal was to craft an Obi-Wan Kenobi Story in true Star Wars spirit, with the improvement of pace, tone, continuity and canon, removal of cringe or bad execution of plot points and overall create something that both felt refreshing as well as redeeming. I, for me, am now satisfied in having reached my inital goals and the goals we’ve set for ourselfs throughout these eight weeks as we’ve planned the edit along, and I must say it has been a blast as well as sometimes a complete, mental agony. Thank you to all who helped out.

Thank You

And May the Force Be With You.

How to Obtain/When to Obtain?

You should be a Disney+ member.

The 10 GB MP4 Stereo is now rendering, and will be up on my Google Drive within an hour or so. You may send PM’s whenever you wish, and I will come back to you as soon as it’s up.

Want to wait for the 5.1 Surround?

  • 4th or 5th of July. PM me then.

JEDIT(S):

  • Subtitles will be made! Unless someone wants to make them (and get credited both here and in the Google Drive folder), I’ll have to make them myself - and expect them in a month or so.
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#1492093
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leftshoe18 said:

everbake said:
And when during the last fight scene when Vader puts Obi-Wan into the hole, have him say “Now I have the high ground”

That would be WAY too on the nose. I know Star Wars isn’t exactly known for its subtlety but that would be a little much IMO.

Yeah, nothing like that.

The ending is done and concluded for release. I think WE have a satisfactory solution (that keeps with canon).