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#1142524
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

My best advice is get any US Region 1 NTSC DVD release. You could probably get one on Amazon for like $10. Doesn’t matter which version or which cover it has. The mono will be there. I don’t have an audio file of the mono for you to use so telling you what’s changed isn’t gonna help if you wish to use the sound effects in your mix.

ill just have to use a VHS recording.

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#1142145
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

  1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
  2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
  3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
  4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
  5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
  6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
  7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

where the sound effets for the machines in cyberdyne changed too?

Some of them. The compactor is different. You mentioned this mix you’re making combines the mono and surround mix. May I ask how you intend to do this if you don’t have the mono sounds to use?? Me clarifying what was changed and what wasn’t isnt really gonna help.

i use youtube videos. this is my very first film im editing. i dont wish to bother you but some of the videos of the mono sounds are not on youtube, i do not own the mono DVD but i do own the VHS from the 80’s. im not a professional. i hope im not getting you upset.

No not at all. Like I said I’ll help with what I can.

then i need the explotion sound effect when the temrinator is blown to hell by the pipe bomb.

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#1142083
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

  1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
  2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
  3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
  4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
  5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
  6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
  7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

where the sound effets for the machines in cyberdyne changed too?

Some of them. The compactor is different. You mentioned this mix you’re making combines the mono and surround mix. May I ask how you intend to do this if you don’t have the mono sounds to use?? Me clarifying what was changed and what wasn’t isnt really gonna help.

i use youtube videos. this is my very first film im editing. i dont wish to bother you but some of the videos of the mono sounds are not on youtube, i do not own the mono DVD but i do own the VHS from the 80’s. im not a professional. i hope im not getting you upset.

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#1141921
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

  1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
  2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
  3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
  4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
  5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
  6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
  7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

where the sound effets for the machines in cyberdyne changed too?

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#1140650
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

  1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
  2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
  3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
  4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
  5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
  6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
  7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful
How about the sound effect when sarrah connor breaks the glass to get into cyberdyne?

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#1140648
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

  1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
  2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
  3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
  4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
  5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
  6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
  7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

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#1140644
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

The mono is available on the Region 1 DVDs. If not try messaging the original poster of this thread to see if he still has the synced Laserdisc track. If that doesn’t work and you have a MySpleen account there’s already an .mkv of the Blu-ray synced to the LD track over there. Also you mentioned a few posts back that you’re making your own mono mix. If you’re making a mono mix using the mono sound effects how is that gonna work?? Is this a mono mix of the mono mix or a mono mix with the effects from the surround mix?? Elements of both?? Again just asking out of curiosity and like I said I’ll provide whatever tips I can.

it is a mix of both.

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#1140532
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I don’t have to. They did.

It just sounds very modern

Pretty much all the new sound effects added to the Terminator surround mix sound very modern and IMO very out of place in a 1980s film. Even ‘80s films with good surround mixes used sound effects that were of their times. Not so much with the Terminator remix.

So afte the pipebomb explotion after kyle places it on the terminators ribs was not changed?

The Endoskeleton exploding from the pipebomb was changed. Could you please elaborate more on what you are trying to attempt here?? Are you more interested in the mono sound effects or the remix?? Do you not have the mono on a DVD to compare?? Not trying to be rude, just a little lost but I’ll help if I can.

listen im a young sound editior, i want to make the most acurate sounding temrinator since it was released in1984

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#1140531
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I don’t have to. They did.

It just sounds very modern

Pretty much all the new sound effects added to the Terminator surround mix sound very modern and IMO very out of place in a 1980s film. Even ‘80s films with good surround mixes used sound effects that were of their times. Not so much with the Terminator remix.

So afte the pipebomb explotion after kyle places it on the terminators ribs was not changed?

The Endoskeleton exploding from the pipebomb was changed. Could you please elaborate more on what you are trying to attempt here?? Are you more interested in the mono sound effects or the remix?? Do you not have the mono on a DVD to compare?? Not trying to be rude, just a little lost but I’ll help if I can.
im just tryna edit a film. i need the mono sounds to make the mix

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#1139389
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I don’t have to. They did.

It just sounds very modern

Pretty much all the new sound effects added to the Terminator surround mix sound very modern and IMO very out of place in a 1980s film. Even ‘80s films with good surround mixes used sound effects that were of their times. Not so much with the Terminator remix.

So afte the pipebomb explotion after kyle places it on the terminators ribs was not changed?

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#1138447
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crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Exactly what about the sounds so you wanna know??

was it the sounds used in the Police Station massecre

Yes the gun does make the same sounds in the motel scene as it did in the police station massacre.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Exactly what about the sounds so you wanna know??

im sorry if you dont understand me.

No worries.
i also want to know the sounds used during the end where the terminator is chasing them in the factory. like the glass sound effect when Sarah breaks the window to the factory

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