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#764667
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Alderaan said:

Ronster said:

I really think they should scrap the documentary hand held style shaky cam and just realize it's just not needed... It's not an improvement.

Overt camerawork can be effective in some stories, but not in epics. A mythological narrative like Star Wars needs a certain gravitas to it, but it gets stripped away if the filmmaker goes for a more "real" look.

 And yet the space battles in SW were shot and edited to emulate WWII dogfight footage... precisely because Lucas wanted an element of dynamic realism that had never been seen in a sci fi film before.

The new stuff is simply following that philosophy with modern filmmaking tools...

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#764647
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Ryan McAvoy said:

John Boyega and Daisy Ridley somehow look so OT-Star Wars in this 2nd trailer (Not totally sure I know what I mean by that).

For one, this many hairs being out of place wouldn't have been tolerated on the Prequels. Also Daisy distorting her facial muscles into something that aproximates convincing acting wouldn't have been allowed either ;-)

 

Point well taken.

To wit:

But darned if 20 year old Natalie Portman wasn't one of the most gorgeous creatures in history...

Not that Daisy Ridley is any slouch either...

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#764643
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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unamochilla2 said:

That's true for the OT.  Interestingly, I don't think that applies to the PT, though.  I think the effects decreased in quality in AOTC, but got better for ROTS.  I still think TPM looks the best out of the PT... effects-wise.

 

That's probably due to the fact that Lucas, in his utterly irrational desire that AOTC be the first major film shot entirely digitally, considerably downscaled everything by going from real 35mm film in TPA to native 1080p in Episode II.

How well I remember sitting in the theater on May 16, 2002; and, when the Naboo ship explodes as Padme's decoy walks down the ramp, I gasped and said aloud: "That looks so bad! Why does that look so bad?!"

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#764464
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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towne32 said:

timdiggerm said:

towne32 said:

I shot first said:

Akton said:

Just wanted to add that I also love the unabashedly un-pc tack they've taken in eschewing the mealy mouthed vaguery currently in vogue by announcing the film will be released not "This Holiday Season," but rather "This Christmas," just how the first film would have been advertised if it had met its original release date in December 1976. But then, I love pretty much any show of defiance against 21st Century America's despicable repudiation of Christmas as a cultural touchstone.  

 Great point. And I could not agree with you more. I'm surprised I didn't even think about this when seeing it the first time. Love it.

I hope they go one further and give Jesus a god damn cameo. They'll probably just try to be all PC and make it Life Day, again.

 Fact: The Star Wars Holiday Special first aired on November 17, 1978. It was, at best, a Thanksgiving event, although it aired the weekend *before* the holiday.

Anyway, you're wrong in thinking that no one says movies are coming out on Christmas because of PC culture or whatever.

2014: The InterviewUnbroken

ALSO, now that I'm spending so much time writing this post, where the heck did you see "Christmas"? The trailer says "December"

 In case it wasn't obvious, I was just pointing out how god damned absurd the alleged War On Christmas is. Started to feel like I was on the O'Reily Factor forums over here.

 

Right. Because expressing gratitude that the season surrounding the one and only Federal holiday in the month of December is actually being referred to by name and not by euphemism is a sentiment exclusive to neocons.

At least you managed to express yourself rationally, without, you know, resorting to shrill hyperbole and histrionics.

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#764448
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Just wanted to add that I also love the unabashedly un-pc tack they've taken in eschewing the mealy mouthed vaguery currently in vogue by announcing the film will be released not "This Holiday Season," but rather "This Christmas," just how the first film would have been advertised if it had met its original release date in December 1976. But then, I love pretty much any show of defiance against 21st Century America's despicable repudiation of Christmas as a cultural touchstone.  

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#764441
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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rpvee said:

Link below has HQ pictures of the film's costumes from the Celebration exhibit.  BIG noteworthy thing, if not already posted:

The Empire is now The First Order

The Rebellion is now The Resistance

New names for the factions of the galaxy we've known for so long.

http://io9.com/star-wars-costumes-and-props-reveal-new-characters-for-1698341539

 

I'm giddy over the unabashed McQuarrie-ness of the new Snowtroopers... right down to the insignia on the chest!

The re-naming makes sense. ISIS has undergone 3 or 4 name changes in as many years. The name changes are a bit jarring, but the Mcquarrie stuff is brilliantly familiar. I think they're walking the line pretty gracefully in that regard.

 

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#764439
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Alderaan said:

Akton said:

If this attitude carries over into the ST (i.e. no references to anything PT-specific, midichlorians, gungans, clonetroopers, etc.) I will be even more (delightfully) stunned. And I will find myself holding on to hope for something I've hoped for since the Disney acquisition was first announced in 2012 - a remake of the Prequel trilogy.

 

 Why would you ever hope for that? There's no story to tell in the prequels. That's the major reason they were awful, it was all just backstory.

 Strongly disagree. Just because a competant story wasn't told does not mean one cannot be told. In fact, if Lucas stayed true to the what he implied about the characters of Anakin and Obi-Wan back in the OT, and if he put his mind (and the minds of a few talented screenwriters) to the task of crafting stories that respect the integrity of what are supposed to be plot twists in the future episodes (Vader being Luke's father, Leia being his sister, the Yoda reveal, etc), he might have been forced to find some genuinely creative plot turns that would have made for an intriguing set of films.

Plus, the major element of that mere "backstory" was the Clone Wars. I think an entire bloody war (or wars, if we take the name literally) is pretty damn fertile ground for a three film story arc... you know, just as long as you cover that war(s) in the span of those three films, instead of having the bulk of it take place offscreen between episodes 2 and 3.

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#764438
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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nightstalkerpoet said:

My personal problem with it being in 3d isn't a lack of 2D options in general, it is the potential for affecting premium showings. I want to see a 7 film marathon opening day. Sadly, chances are that those marathons only include what they feel is the best version- ultimately, probably giving us eps 1, 2, and maybe 3 in 3d, 4-6 in 2d, with 7 in 3d... 

 The best seven film Star Wars marathon I can conceive of is:

Star Wars

The Star Wars Holiday Special

The Empire Strikes Back

Return of the Jedi

Caravan of Courage

The Battle for Endor

The Force Awakens

 

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#764201
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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The shot of the stormtroopers at the rally... the robed person on the balcony far off in the background...

I've looked at that image close up for minutes on end and it reignites a theory I toyed with in my mind a year or so ago. If that person is who I vaguely suspect that person to be... then this film - this trilogy - has the potential to go into some very shocking, very dark, very disturbing places that would truly cement Star Wars as a "Saga" in the truest sense of that word...

 

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#764170
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Did anybody notice that when the garrulous dudebro moderator asked about the prequels (which happened at least once - a question about balancing the asthetics of the OT and the PT) Abrams steered the discussion back to the OT, and his love for its lived in look? He didn't even acknowledge the PT in passing, which I fully expected (something along the lines of "And because the prequels introduced some interesting new vistas and in the same universe, there will be a little of that" etc.) Nothing. Just praise for the OT.

Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted by that. And I know it might be seen as corporate pandering to a fanbase that overwhelmingly (and with good reason) favors the OT over the PT. But I still didn't expect it because I thought it'd be seen as an outright indictment of Lucas (who is still alive and, presumably, still on good terms with Lucasfilm).

If this attitude carries over into the ST (i.e. no references to anything PT-specific, midichlorians, gungans, clonetroopers, etc.) I will be even more (delightfully) stunned. And I will find myself holding on to hope for something I've hoped for since the Disney acquisition was first announced in 2012 - a remake of the Prequel trilogy.

...or was there actually a reference to the PT and I just missed it? In which case, well... move along... move along... 

 

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#764099
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Laserschwert said:

Poor bastard had to stand on one leg for hours during that photo shoot...

I'm just so overjoyed that there actually are real "poor bastards," really occupying real physical space, and able to really be photographed in a real photo shoot! Having spent more than a decade being exposed to images of stormptroopers being rendered as cartoonish video game sprites, even while preforming such mundane activities as pointing, looking through binoculars, and kneeling down to ask "Are you all right?" these new images are like drops of water on desert-parched lips...

 

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#763890
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Star Wars Digital HD Release .... April 10th
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Danfun128 said:

SilverWook said:

"Greedo shooting first, the ugly and falcon-spoiling Jabba scene, the CGI dinosaurs, and the 8-bit 1080p transfer from 2004 that was dated when it came out are hip. Anyone who wants something different is a moronic monkey who wouldn't know manna from manure."

Yes, I am comparing gb0923 to a racist from the early 20th century. He is calling the OUT the ghetto version after all. I'm sorry if I offended anybody who reads this post.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg

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#763835
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Tobar said:

So what's the random thought in regard to the image?

I know I find the modern coloring incredibly drab. They could have at least tinted his lenses red.

 I hope that horrendous re-color isn't from the new Marvel omnibus.

What the hell were they thinking? Slathering a thick, anachronistic layer of ugly digital coloring on top of 70's artwork? That's stylistically insane... It's like taking a film from the 70's and inserting a bunch garish cgi crap into it...

Oh...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh..............................

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#763573
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The Random EU Thoughts Thread
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ATMachine said:

Tarkin's words to Vader convey the same basic idea: "The Jedi are extinct; their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

 

I can't hear (or read) lines like that without my mind immediately flooding with all the ideas and images that they conjured of the prequel era (before the actual prequels themselves were made). Damn it to hell, the PT could have been great, if only the younger, passionate Lucas who wrote those lines, and who actually gave a damn enough about his creation to have written multiple drafts until he'd brought forth the best possible story, had gotten around to making them, instead of handing them off to his fat, passionless, complacent older self, who could barely be bothered to crap out a single draft whilst sets were already being built.

Tarkin's line also evokes the singularly unique image of Vader we all once accepted as a given - that he, as far as the citizens of the Empire knew, was the last of the Jedi; the last practitioner of the Force (to whatever extent its existence was known or acknowledged); the last wielder of that mysterious and ancient "Jedi weapon" (as Palpatine called it) - the lightsaber. And his title - Dark Lord of the Sith - being some obscure honorific attached to his position in the Empire, and not an indication that he's merely a member of an ancient order of "anti-Jedi," all named Darth and all equipped with red lightsabers (even Palpatine himself - despite his clearly expressed disdain and relative unfamiliarity with that "Jedi weapon").

That's why my favorite EU work (getting back to the thread topic) is Rinzler's adaptation of Lucas' early draft, The Star Wars. It evokes all of that promise and mystery that the franchise had in its infancy, particularly when one looked at those amazing, strange, beautiful conceptual images gorgeously rendered by Ralph McQuarrie (who, for my money, deserves official credit as co-creator of Star Wars). I hold out some hope (slim though it might be) that TFA will restore some of that awe and wonder and mystery. The fact that they're using so much McQuarrie conceptual material in the design of the film only confirms me in that hope...