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The Last Of The Mohicans NTSC (Original Version)

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I have following this site for a couple weeks and I would like to contribute this:

The Last Of The Mohicans NTSC (Original Version) aka (Theatrical Version) or (International Version)

I have converted the European PAL Version to proper NTSC, which comes out to be the correct (?) 112min. Actually made two versions - single and dual layer. Both have anamorphic video; the single-layer version (~4.2GB) has DD2.0 sound while the dual-layer (~7.2GB)has DD5.1. Also includes new menus, trailer and music-only track. I already emailed Rikter about getting this to him. Hopefully I can get this to Segaflip so that he can do his usual thing with it on the newsgroups. I'll try to get a screenshot of the menu up soon. AND maybe eventually I'll try to do an edit that incorporates some of the best additions(?) of the expanded edition into the original.


MIV




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Originally posted by: MIV
I have following this site for a couple weeks and I would like to contribute this:

The Last Of The Mohicans NTSC (Original Version) aka (Theatrical Version) or (International Version)

I have converted the European PAL Version to proper NTSC, which comes out to be the correct (?) 112min. Actually made two versions - single and dual layer. Both have anamorphic video; the single-layer version (~4.2GB) has DD2.0 sound while the dual-layer (~7.2GB)has DD5.1. Also includes new menus, trailer and music-only track. I already emailed Rikter about getting this to him. Hopefully I can get this to Segaflip so that he can do his usual thing with it on the newsgroups. I'll try to get a screenshot of the menu up soon. AND maybe eventually I'll try to do an edit that incorporates some of the best additions(?) of the expanded edition into the original.


MIV


The NTSC theatrical version is available from both region 4 (brazil) as digitalfreaknyc stated in another thread and also region 3 (korea). I should be receiving a region 3 one soon, hopefully the koreans didn't censor anything, I'll let people know when I get this, it was significantly cheaper than importing a region 4 would have been. That would be sweet though if you put all of the footage together without deleting some of the original footage as the director's cut did.
Now what would be really sweet if somebody got their hands on this (info from imdb)

The film was originally scheduled for a Summer 1992 release, as the teaser posters said, but when Michael Mann's first version clocked in at three hours, he was told by Fox to cut the film down and the release was postponed to September. Mann was never happy with the resulting two hour version, feeling he had not had enough time to properly trim it, and so Fox allowed him to re-edit it entirely for the 1999 DVD release. Although only a few minutes longer, the new version features minor changes throughout the film. It is Mann's preferred version and the only one available on DVD in the US.


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I would really love to see a fan edit of this movie, not just a theatrical or directors cut, but something to turn this mess into a good movie. Daniel Day Lewis was great in this and I think he deserves a better cut. Of course I know this thread is not about re-editing the movie at all, still that one would be on my wish list.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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Strange to say but the Theatrical Version was more violent and graphic. Go figure. I would love to see the Theatrical Version of this again.

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I'd love to see this too. I own the original DVD without DTS sound, but would love to have the original cut and be able to get rid of my VHS copy.
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Wait a minute. Is this the theatrical cut or the version that was put out on laserdisc and VHS. Because those two things are completely different. If you are going off of the original VHS and laserdisc as being the theatrical cut then you are way off. The theatrical version was so far different from the version that was put out on VHS and Laserdisc it was insane. I have yet to see the theatrical version released anywhere.

So which one is this again?

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Originally posted by: Mackey256
Wait a minute. Is this the theatrical cut or the version that was put out on laserdisc and VHS. Because those two things are completely different. If you are going off of the original VHS and laserdisc as being the theatrical cut then you are way off. The theatrical version was so far different from the version that was put out on VHS and Laserdisc it was insane. I have yet to see the theatrical version released anywhere.

So which one is this again?

I'm pretty sure that the theatrical cut is the same as the vhs and lasedisc one.

I would really love to see a fan edit of this movie, not just a theatrical or directors cut, but something to turn this mess into a good movie. Daniel Day Lewis was great in this and I think he deserves a better cut. Of course I know this thread is not about re-editing the movie at all, still that one would be on my wish list.


"mess?" this movie is awesome , I would love to see an edit though. Not much extra footage to work with though, unless somebody gets their hands on a copy of the workprint, which I would also love to see.

I got my region 4 disc, i'm pretty sure it doesn't have any censorship. The transfer is pretty bad though. During the end battle sequence there are waves/scratches? right in the middle of the picture.
Does anybody have the region 4 ntsc one. I am wondering if it has the same transfer, or maybe a better one. Thanks.

Also MIV, I am still interested in your NTSC conversion, because it will probabably be better than at least this one, hopefully it was a different transfer.
I am wondering what you did when converting the sound speed. Thanks
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bob23,

The PAL transfer is a very good one; especially in the dark scenes. I used a tool called Besweet to modify the length of to sound to NTSC timing. I was worried the pitch was also adjusted when the sound was changed to PAL; but no pitch adjustments were made so it was a simple time conversion. No more high pitch voice or music. By the way, does anyone know what font is used in the movie's main title? I can't seem to find out what it is.

Anyway, here's a menu shot:



http://mysite.verizon.net/kjcordero/TLOTM/Main.jpg
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I'm pretty sure that the theatrical cut is the same as the vhs and lasedisc one.


The VHS and Laserdisc released here in the states was completely different than the theatrical version. The overall story was the same as the theatrical version but the theatrical version had a few things that the VHS and Laserdisc were missing. The scene where Hawkeye shoots Maj. Duncan Heyward when he is on the fire was a bit longer. You got to see the bullet hole in his head. The DVD version is only a few frames shorter than the VHS and Laserdisc but those were even shorter than the Theatrical Version. The end battle on the cliff side was gorier and a bit longer and in the theatrical version we actually get to see Magua eat Col. Edmund Munro's heart! It was good stuff. Mostly it was gore that was cut from the US home video releases and nothing major. But I have yet to see that version on ANY US home video release.

If you watch any US home video version of this film you can see some of the jump cuts. Especially during the end cliff battle between Chingachgook and Magua.

OK So it's not completely different but I still want the theatrical version on DVD.

EDIT: SPELLING

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The PAL transfer is a very good one; especially in the dark scenes. I used a tool called Besweet to modify the length of to sound to NTSC timing. I was worried the pitch was also adjusted when the sound was changed to PAL; but no pitch adjustments were made so it was a simple time conversion. No more high pitch voice or music. By the way, does anyone know what font is used in the movie's main title? I can't seem to find out what it is.

Sounds good, looking forward to getting my hand on the dual-layer one sometime. I don't know what font was used but I'll try to find out when I have more time. A combination of felix tilting and footlight MT light is close.

The VHS and Laserdisc released here in the states was completely different than the theatrical version. The overall story was the same as the theatrical version but the theatrical version had a few things that the VHS and Laserdisc were missing. The scene where Hawkeye shoots Maj. Duncan Heyward when he is on the fire was a bit longer. You got to see the bullet hole in his head. The DVD version is only a few frames shorter than the VHS and Laserdisc but those were even shorter than the Theatrical Version. The end battle on the cliff side was gorier and a bit longer and in the theatrical version we actually get to see Magua eat Col. Edmund Munro's heart! It was good stuff. Mostly it was gore that was cut from the US home video releases and nothing major. But I have yet to see that version on ANY US home video release.

If you watch any US home video version of this film you can see some of the jump cuts. Especially during the end cliff battle between Chingachgook and Magua.



Interesting. Neither of the two versions I have show Magua eating Munro's heart. Are you getting this information from a website, or do you remember this from viewing the movie in a theater? I would love to see Magua chowing down on a heart, however sick it sounds. Anybody else know anything about this?

EDIT: I found the found using this cool site Whatthefont. It is shango-regular (or some varieent). The font they used for the movie menus is different though. Maybe I'll take some screenshots of the menus and find those later.
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Are you getting this information from a website, or do you remember this from viewing the movie in a theater?


I saw this in the theatre about four times. I thought this was a great movie. However ever sense it showed up on home video I have felt like something is missing from it.

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Just watched the DVD and I LOVE this movie!!!!!!!!! No super major difs from the DVD version but it sure is superbadass to have the theatrical version

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If I remember correctly, the two DVDs (R1 extended version and R2 UK) have a completely different soundtrack when Hawkeye is chasing Magwa and his men (with their captives) at the end of the movie.

In the R2 DVD (International DVD) we hear a somewhat new age melody (maybe an orchestral version of "I will find you") but in the extended cut, the beautiful score by Trevor jones is played.

In my memeories, here in France, I've always seen the movie with the Jones music attached to it but I could be wrong.So whic version has the appropriate score: another mystery?
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Originally posted by: marvin
If I remember correctly, the two DVDs (R1 extended version and R2 UK) have a completely different soundtrack when Hawkeye is chasing Magwa and his men (with their captives) at the end of the movie.

In the R2 DVD (International DVD) we hear a somewhat new age melody (maybe an orchestral version of "I will find you") but in the extended cut, the beautiful score by Trevor jones is played.

In my memeories, here in France, I've always seen the movie with the Jones music attached to it but I could be wrong.So whic version has the appropriate score: another mystery?


FYI
Some one posted the soundtrack by Trever Jones and Randy Edelman up on usenet a few weeks ago on one of the mp3 groups. I believe it had nine tracks. Here is what they read
1. Main Title
2. Elk Hunt
3. The Kiss ( I believe this theme is heard a few times in the movie)
4 The Glade Part II
5 Fort Battle
6 Promentory
7 Munro's Office / Stockade
8 Massacre / Canoes
9 Top of the World
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FYI
Some one posted the soundtrack by Trever Jones and Randy Edelman up on usenet a few weeks ago on one of the mp3 groups. I believe it had nine tracks. Here is what they read
1. Main Title
2. Elk Hunt
3. The Kiss ( I believe this theme is heard a few times in the movie)
4 The Glade Part II
5 Fort Battle
6 Promentory
7 Munro's Office / Stockade
8 Massacre / Canoes
9 Top of the World


I think you are missing some tracks
There are two versions of the soundtrack, the one without the I will find you is a rerecording. The one the Hoichi posted is the original.
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Originally posted by: suntech
I could not get that link to work



Yeah, me too but then I looked at the beginning of the link.

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Originally posted by: Hoichi, the Earless
Here's the CD soundtrack if any of you want it.

Link




OR you COULD do the right thing and GO BUY the soundtrack (I own it myself )

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I have the soundtrack on cassette, since it came with our VHS copy, years ago. I found it interesting that they put Jones part of the score on one side, and Edleman's on the other. It's convenient though, since i don't have to forward through Edelman's stuff to get to Jones(the vast superior of the two). I always really liked that film, though lately i seem to always catch it on tv(where the music goes haywire).


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I did get the set!

THANKS!! Been super busy with a million other projects, BUT I still plan on getting a set over to Segaflip for a POSSIBLE newsgroup upload and I will also add the SL to my upload queue!

I will be sending out another wave of my PIF's in the next two weeks so it'll be out to him then

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Last Of The Mohicans Director`s Expanded Edition
just turned up on Piratebay.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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But the expanded edition is the version that's easily available on R1 DVD.
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