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how is 2006 GOUT upscaling done?

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Just wondering if upscaling is done by running the '06 dvd into some type of video processor like a Lumagen 2144? Or is done in a NLE?

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JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

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This is likely more suited to the Star Wars Preservation Section - where it may also be brought to the attention of others who contributed to / worked on the Despecialized Editions - or have knowledge of similar projects, which may be of help to clashradio.

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clashradio said:

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Silly question but why don’t you just use harmys? It should already be synced to whatever track you want to use. Hell it probably already has the track as an option.

^ Needs to pull the stick out.

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Possessed said:

clashradio said:

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Silly question but why don’t you just use harmys? It should already be synced to whatever track you want to use. Hell it probably already has the track as an option.

Not only that, but Harmy’s versions are increasingly GOUT-free. ROTJ only has part of one scene from GOUT. If you want pure GOUT source, you probably want to look at Team Blu’s upscales – which you should be aware do not look as good as Harmy’s, given the source material.

Also, the 77 stereo Laserdisc track already on Harmy’s latest preservation is definitely better than what you’re trying to use. It’s from the only release of the 1977 stereo track in digital audio on Laserdisc (a Japanese pan & scan release, but the audio was great). It was then synced up to the GOUT and patched over wherever there were dropouts and warbles with the next-best analogue Laserdisc audio by some of our local audio luminaries with access to and experience with ridiculously expensive software. I don’t want to discourage the effort, if you’re just trying to learn how to do things and all, but it’s already been done, and really well.

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CatBus said:

Possessed said:

clashradio said:

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Silly question but why don’t you just use harmys? It should already be synced to whatever track you want to use. Hell it probably already has the track as an option.

Not only that, but Harmy’s versions are increasingly GOUT-free. ROTJ only has part of one scene from GOUT. If you want pure GOUT source, you probably want to look at Team Blu’s upscales – which you should be aware do not look as good as Harmy’s, given the source material.

Also, the 77 stereo Laserdisc track already on Harmy’s latest preservation is definitely better than what you’re trying to use. It’s from the only release of the 1977 stereo track in digital audio on Laserdisc (a Japanese pan & scan release, but the audio was great). It was then synced up to the GOUT and patched over wherever there were dropouts and warbles with the next-best analogue Laserdisc audio by some of our local audio luminaries with access to and experience with ridiculously expensive software. I don’t want to discourage the effort, if you’re just trying to learn how to do things and all, but it’s already been done, and really well.

Well the thing is; I know all this has been done before (X0 project, Harmy’s De-Specialized, Team Blu GOUT upscale). And I’m not trying to re-invent the wheel. I also don’t want you guys to think I’m being foolish but…My biggest hobby is video editing; can’t get enough of it. I have all of the best LD martial (even the Japan LD P&S w/77 stereo). I have a HLD-X0, CLD-99 & CLD-D703. Soon to have a Lumagen 2144. I’m still not sure what capture device to get yet (haven’t figured out if my Black Magic Intensity Shuttle usb 3.0 will do 1080p 23.976fps captures yet).

So two seperate yet related goals are to make a BD from a composite of the best LD’s (86 JSC/92 SWE/possibly 93/95 THX). And a BD upscale using the 2006 GOUT dvd synced to the P&S Japan LD.

Again I know it’s all been done and maybe I can’t match the quality. Editing and Star Wars…an hobbyist’s dream come true.

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Okay, that’s fine then 😉

IIRC, the Team Blu upscale, which is where the Despecialized GOUT sources come from, was a mix of custom Avisynth scripts and good old fashioned hand-editing. There were a lot of steps (not necessarily in this order): inverse telecine (which involved manual work, because there were frames that didn’t IVTC cleanly), stabilization, upscaling, cleanup (glue marks and other damage, again by hand), and color correction.

The upscaling itself was done with a “secret sauce” avisynth script, but there are people here with a pretty good idea of how to get results approximately as good. nnedi2_rpow2(rfactor=2, cshift=“spline64resize”, fwidth=1280, fheight=720) gives pretty good results AFAICT, but AviSynth is not really my area of expertise.

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Also check out this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-GOUT-in-HD-using-super-resolution-algorithm/id/17552

which contains some scripts (very slow ones!) that do a nice job with Video Enhancer’s AviSynth plugin. They also sell a stand alone app that works pretty well (and you get the plugin free when you buy it). http://www.infognition.com/videoenhancer/

Personally, I use Red Giant Shooter Suite’s “Instant 4K” for most of my upscaling in After Effects. It’s real easy - just resize he composition to the size you want, drop the effect on and boom. Instant 720p/1080p/UHD. Just remember to set the quality to “Best” before rendering. https://www.redgiant.com/products/instant-4k/

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Williarob said:

Also check out this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-GOUT-in-HD-using-super-resolution-algorithm/id/17552

which contains some scripts (very slow ones!) that do a nice job with Video Enhancer’s AviSynth plugin. They also sell a stand alone app that works pretty well (and you get the plugin free when you buy it). http://www.infognition.com/videoenhancer/

Personally, I use Red Giant Shooter Suite’s “Instant 4K” for most of my upscaling in After Effects. It’s real easy - just resize he composition to the size you want, drop the effect on and boom. Instant 720p/1080p/UHD. Just remember to set the quality to “Best” before rendering. https://www.redgiant.com/products/instant-4k/

Awesome CatBus. And thank you Williarob. Both Infogniton and Red Giant sound totally awesome and what I’m looking for. I edit with Sony Vegas. Seems all the good third-party stuff is geared towards Adobe…

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