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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
2 hours is two long for a single layer DVD.


Hehe, was that grammatical error an intentional pun?

I don't actually totally agree with that statement. Sure, two hours of DVD quality footage shouldn't be squeezed onto one layer, but because Laserdisc footage is so much softer and due to the nature of MPEG2 compression it actually compresses a lot more without any quality loss. So in most cases it would be impossible to tell any difference between a single layer Laserdisc transfer and a dual layer, unless a hefty amount of filter was done to sharpen the footage (though then the sharpening may be more detrimental than the compression artefacting!). From what I've read, this is the main reason there aren't too many dual layer transfers available here, not because the burners are rarer or even the hefty price of media. Most users here would be willing to spend a bit to get the best quality possible.

Of course things change once you start adding multiple audio tracks, extras and motion menus!

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I couldn't disagree more. I've done a lot of recordings in both xp (1 hour) and sp (2 hour) on my recorders and the 2 hours are always worse than the one and I've decided that, on the whole, I'd rather burn a dual layer disc than a single layer that looks worse.
I think the only reason why dual-layers aren't being used now is because the price is so high and so few people are using them. But rest assured, any of the files *I* put up here that are longer than 2 hours will be dual-layer. The hi-def age is here and I'm not going to be stuck behind the 8 ball because single layer is cheaper at the moment. I want to preserve things in as best a quality as I can.
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For Blade Runner , they are showing on HDNET movies the Direcotrs Cut this september in HD. Just FYI for any of those with TV Cards on thier pc's. Could make a creat Xvid or DVD.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
I couldn't disagree more. I've done a lot of recordings in both xp (1 hour) and sp (2 hour) on my recorders and the 2 hours are always worse than the one

But don't standalone DVD video recorders use fixed bitrates for recording in such modes? so you can't really compare that to encoding & burning on a PC which can do multiple pass variable bitrate encoding to ensure the picture quality stays even throughout and the bitrate is automatically upped/lowered according to the complexity of the image being encoded.
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Originally posted by: Krycek87
For Blade Runner , they are showing on HDNET movies the Direcotrs Cut this september in HD. Just FYI for any of those with TV Cards on thier pc's. Could make a creat Xvid or DVD.


Already posted on the page before. Please re-read. I'm making a dual layer DVD version.

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all im gonna say is...then come september, keep an eye on the headers in alt.binaries.hdtv
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well...it won't be put up there from me but i'm sure someone else will.

do they usually post the full files? I was told it would take 5 DVD's to hold full HD content.
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Originally posted by: Citizen
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
I couldn't disagree more. I've done a lot of recordings in both xp (1 hour) and sp (2 hour) on my recorders and the 2 hours are always worse than the one

But don't standalone DVD video recorders use fixed bitrates for recording in such modes? so you can't really compare that to encoding & burning on a PC which can do multiple pass variable bitrate encoding to ensure the picture quality stays even throughout and the bitrate is automatically upped/lowered according to the complexity of the image being encoded.


Exactly, a DVD Recorder really isn't what one should base levels of compression on as it has to work with so many variables (such as flat colours in animation, action scenes, still scenes) that it can't possibly give you anywhere near the best result.

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Was the video noise part of the LD transfer or was it due to compression? I thought it looked alright considering the official release.


It wasn't because of compression. The original image was simply not that great to begin with (the final DVD image looks better than the original LD source, actually). The BR release was a single 2-sided LD release, compared to each Star Wars (Definitive) film getting (as I recall) -three- 2-sided discs. So Blade Runner had about the same length of film, on 1/3rd the data. So the claim that the DVD media was at fault is w/o basis in fact.

Unless you have a DVD or better source (or lots of extras), Dual-layer won't gain you much, if anything, in terms of video quality. There simply not enough data to begin with - you can't preserve what doesn't exist.
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Well it actually doesn't matter how many sides a film on laserdisc is presented on. If it's in CLV or CAV won't affect the quality of the film (noticeably). The quality of this particular Blade Runner transfer sucks because of shitty mastering, pure and simple.
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Originally posted by: Yocke
Well it actually doesn't matter how many sides a film on laserdisc is presented on. If it's in CLV or CAV won't affect the quality of the film (noticeably). The quality of this particular Blade Runner transfer sucks because of shitty mastering, pure and simple.


The mastering of the BR transfer that Farsight has done is fine, have you seen the original LD of this movie?
I give you cred for your effort Farsight!

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I have the Farsight disc... it's a damn fine transfer and looks WAY better than the PAL VHS I just bought and played today. so there.


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Originally posted by: Yocke
Well it actually doesn't matter how many sides a film on laserdisc is presented on. If it's in CLV or CAV won't affect the quality of the film (noticeably). The quality of this particular Blade Runner transfer sucks because of shitty mastering, pure and simple.


The mastering of the BR transfer that Farsight has done is fine, have you seen the original LD of this movie?
I give you cred for your effort Farsight!


Yes, it's a fine dvd. As fine as the mastering on the laserdisc would allow it to be. But it's still grainy as hell, something that is criterions (or Warners) fault.
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i have to agree with farsight on this one,i also did a Blade Runner "Criterion" capture and am sending to segaflip,if he wants to post it he can i already told him so.
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Bless you for what you are proposing! - I am gettin' old waiting for Scott Free Productions to get off their copyright-bound asses and release the 'deifinitive' BR DVD.

Do you happen to have the Esper Edition of the audio soundtrack? What could I cross your hands with to get a copy?

Thanks for the time

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Welcome to the forum.

If you open up your PM (personal mail), I could point you to a few places where the Esper soundtrack is available.

4 - 5 - 3 - 1 - 6 - 2

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
do they usually post the full files?


Yup. If you use NPS, then it's usually possible to get the whole PID with the HD stream onto a couple or three DVD-Rs.

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Originally posted by: eDroj
Originally posted by: Yocke
Well it actually doesn't matter how many sides a film on laserdisc is presented on. If it's in CLV or CAV won't affect the quality of the film (noticeably). The quality of this particular Blade Runner transfer sucks because of shitty mastering, pure and simple.


The mastering of the BR transfer that Farsight has done is fine, have you seen the original LD of this movie?
I give you cred for your effort Farsight!




Ummm...yeah. I own the Criterion laserdisc.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
I'm getting it on 5 DVD's. I'm told that's how many it takes.


Then I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been NPS'ed. Five is good, but I'll bet there's only two or three of actual HD picture and 5.1 sound data; the rest will be padding out to the typical ATSC 9.8 GB/h.
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Mitch, have sent you Edge, the LD extras (basically a shedload of pics captured from the LD), and my version I did of the Criterion LD (if you have a surround setup, try selecting the 2nd audio track with your DVD remote)

If you're going to put the DC in with the set then use the upcoming HD broadcast if you can, the R1 DC DVD has poor detail compared to the R2 and you'd get a better picture converting the R2 to NTSC if the HD version isn't an option.
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Thanks CIT,



I have a copy of the R2 and didn't know it was better. I'll have to dig it out to compare.

Currently working on the title sequence as we speak.. I have to construct this from scratch.


I am useing -
The original Blade Harrison Ford Crossing title from the end of the International Trailer.

Right Now, I am working on the sub-text of the replicant, this part I am doing from scratch on my own. I am having trouble with the font of that, i want a exact match.

So far I have the Blade sequence with the title and cut to LOS ANGELES 2019. No sound track yet. I'll add that later.

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Apparently HDnet aired the DC yesterday. Can anyone tell us how the quality was?
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Its being shown again as well. I watched the late showing last nite,
and found the PQ damn good, considering the age of the print, etc.
There are quite a few posts regarding the PQ over at the HD Programming
area on www.avsforum.com

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=497373&page=3&pp=30

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