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Wonder Woman: No Ares Twist

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In June, me and my friends went to go see Wonder Woman. We weren’t expecting much (because my friend who’d seen it before us said it wasn’t any good), but were blown away. Maybe it’s just that I’ve only seen it once, but it’s my favorite Superhero movie.

Except for one thing: Towards the end, Steve says that maybe all evil in the world isn’t because of one guy. Maybe you can’t just have one scapegoat, the world’s more complicated than that. Cool, maybe a little cliche at this point but who cares. I liked it. But then… turns out… nope! Turns out you can blame everything on one guy!

Hated it. Any power the movie had was instantly destroyed. It would’ve been fine if the movie had no message, but they put one in and then invalidated it. Bad.

So, me, being into fanediting, and my friends, who also didn’t like it, had wanted to make a fanedit of Wonder Woman removing that. There is no Ares in this fanedit. Steve was right.

I’m gonna want to watch the movie, or at least the ending one or two more times before being too certain about my battle plan (I have some ideas, but I may want to reevaluate after rewatching), but this is what it is right now:

-Steve’s speech
-Steve leaves
-Cut out the Ares reveal
-Steve by the airplane
-Cut out more Ares
-Move the explosion from later in the movie here
-Steve’s team freaking out (Cut out “If that’s who I think it is”)
-Steve’s battle plan
-Wonder Woman and Steve (replace it with the audible version)
-Steve runs to the plane
-Raid on the Dr. Poison’s joint
-Steve takes off
-RIP Steve );
-Probably something after that
-Victory Celebration

Nothing’s final, and that plan might not work (I’m not sure if that’s enough of an ending), and I might, instead of removing the Ares and keeping the speech, get rid of the speech and keep the Ares.

What do you all think?

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Awesome, people love it when you put a spoiler in the title of a thread.

Dr. M

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I mean, I didn’t get into what the twist was. And it’s not even like being suspicious of Hades is super detrimental either, I feel like it’s so far from left field that they still won’t see it coming.

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I would just like to point out that the movie never said Ares was responsible for everything; in fact he himself outright said that all he did was give a bunch of people who already wanted to cause massive amounts of destruction ideas on how exactly to go about it. Ludendorff would still have been a pure evil monster even if Ares hadn’t given him and his assistant some ideas for how to kill people more efficiently.

I mean, I won’t deny that the Ares reveal does cheapen the movie’s overall impact somewhat, but I don’t think it’s quite as bad as you say it is. That said, this does at least sound interesting.

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Here’s the problem though, what the hell is Diana doing during the ending then? She’s not going to just stand around while Steve and his gang are doing all of this fighting and she’s just standing there feeling upset that Ares isn’t there.

I agree wholeheartedly about the ending being a bit cheapened by the reveal, but after seeing it again last week I can tell you that it’s going to be a real challenge making the ending work. Diana wouldn’t let Steve just sacrifice himself because she was willing to do that.

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musiced921 said:

Here’s the problem though, what the hell is Diana doing during the ending then? She’s not going to just stand around while Steve and his gang are doing all of this fighting and she’s just standing there feeling upset that Ares isn’t there.

I agree wholeheartedly about the ending being a bit cheapened by the reveal, but after seeing it again last week I can tell you that it’s going to be a real challenge making the ending work. Diana wouldn’t let Steve just sacrifice himself because she was willing to do that.

I know, that’s my biggest concern. But, I have confidence that it can work. I’ve come up with some ideas that seem to work, so I do have hope.

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Not to nitpick too much but the character in question is in fact Ares, not Hades. Ares is one of the sons of Zeus and the god of war (Diana’s half-brother in this movie). Hades is the lord of the underworld, Zeus’ brother which would make him Diana’s uncle.

At one point Ares was even Diana’s grandfather in the comics (makes sense, right?).

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Oh my god, I’m such an idiot. I knew that it was Ares, I’m so sorry I said Hades.

Is there any way to have the title changed?

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Nice plot change! I look forward to see it your way.

I figured the first fanedit would be to remove the castle scene. Too much focus on the male hero, the gala is too implausible so close to the front lines and to the armistice, it shaves 10+ minutes off an overly long movie.

My estimate for cuts would be:
1:22:29-1:24:09 cut phone conversation of the gala
1:24:14-1:24:20 cut reference to gala
1:25:22-1:25:40 cut reference to gala
1:29:28-1:30:17 cut reference to gala
1:31:02-1:41:03 cut gala

I haven’t figured a solution for two issues:

  • we jump from morning to evening without feeling any passage of time. Perhaps there is a way to make the ride in the woods seem longer?
  • Trevor’s german uniform is visible, but he no longer has reason to wear it.

I don’t have the expertise to make this edit look smooth. If anyone likes the idea, please run with it and improve on it!

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