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There's also a more passionated kiss between Luke and Leia, a brief moment of it can be seen in the original trailer. I don't know where that scene would be, it looked like an alternate version of Leia's kiss, but didn't work as well as the surprise kiss one.


If you look at the production stills on disc 4 , theres a shot of Luke REALLY snogging Leia (they're going for it!!!!) ultimate proof that the leia/sister idea wasn't cooked up until ROTJ
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Just like the deleted scenes were good and added background in Episode II, but were long and slow...magnolia cut them down and used parts of them. Getting essential character builder, but not dragging down runtime.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
If you look at the production stills on disc 4 , theres a shot of Luke REALLY snogging Leia (they're going for it!!!!) ultimate proof that the leia/sister idea wasn't cooked up until ROTJ


No, Yoda hints at it in Empire. (Regardless, the kissin' is pretty disturbing in retrospect.)
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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Yoda hints at it, but at the time Leia was still not Luke's Sister. In fact, according to Gary Kurtz, Luke's sister was supposed to have been hidden somewhere outside the known galaxy. Leia being Luke's sister didn't arrive until the writing of Jedi.

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Originally posted by: Pagz
Yoda hints at it, but at the time Leia was still not Luke's Sister. In fact, according to Gary Kurtz, Luke's sister was supposed to have been hidden somewhere outside the known galaxy. Leia being Luke's sister didn't arrive until the writing of Jedi.


Yes, and Darth Vader was not Anakin Skywalker as of ANH, and George Lucas basically wrote the stories on-the-go, with no overall plan or trilogy.

It's quite obvious to see, and documented in various interviews and articles, but this kin dof stuff is dangerous for Lucas Fanboys who desperately need to believe in an overall set of trilogies, conceived in 1977... otherwise, they've just wasted their lives following a pathological liar.

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Certainly, But just because it wasn't planned the way it turned out from the start doesn't lessen the value of what they reached in the end. The thing is to seperate the end product from the incorrect notion that Lucas is some kind of grand master of story telling, and that he had a master plan in mind from the onset as to how all of this would turn out. He had concepts, vague notions, specific scenes and the like, but he had nothing concrete. I like that Vader turned out to be Luke's father, that was a brilliant move. I like Leia being Luke's sister, that also works out terribly well for the overall story. The fact that he didn't plan it that way doesn't make it less effective. The fact that he pretends to have planned it that way though, is annoying.

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You've describing the difference between a Movie Fan and a Lucas Fanboy. One just loves the movies, while the other attributes God-like characteristics to the man.
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Originally posted by: tlbauerle
Sure some of us complain that Lucas is raping our childhood...how dare he.

Others bitch about preserving film for future generations.

Even more grip about the changes being silly, or that Lucas has lost his vision.

Regarding the Original Trilogy, I think most people would accept the changes without complaint if all the flaws were fixed. Such a large amount of time an expense has been put into these new releases that it doesn't really make sense to have the small problems remain. If you are going to redo things like Mos Eisley or the X-Wings, why not fix the lightsaber in the Falcon? If you are going to add dialogue, why not adjust the scene where Vader voicelessly motions to Tarkin? If you are going to put Jabba in, do it right. If you are going to remix the sound, do it well. If you are going to fix the tractor beam display, change the numbers on the countdown to Yavin display. If you fix the reverse image at the end of Empire, fix the reverse images in the Yavin control room with Threepio. If you are going to improve the lightsabers, at least make them look the same from shot to shot. If you want to add the Emprorer, make him look like the Emporer.

Above all we want these films to fit together...all six of them. Change what you will, but be consistent...it won't take that much more.


He waited too long between trilogies and its his own fault! You do not mess with three classic that were filled with heart and magic just to bring them down to the mediocre level of the PT. Should we fuck with Gone with the wind? North By Northwest? The Exorcist? just because we can? These films are what they are...a part of movie history...ad they should be left untouched.

With respect to the Prequel Trilogy, perhaps George hasn't lost his vision. Both trilogies make fun of body noises, (burping in the 80's is what farting is today). Directorally speaking, George is the same director he was in Star Wars, THX, and AG. He isn't so revolutionary becaue everyone has copied his style that HIS style isn't original or new anymore. Its almost thirty years since the revolution. The revolutionaries are normal now. That IS the standard. His vision is reality, and serves to inspire the new generation of filmmakers such as Larry and Andy and PJ. Don't you think?

I think I speak for all the fans when I say we desire consistency.


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I've come to terms with the fact that the OT changes aren't really what bothers me. I *prefer* the original way, with the exception of Jedi Rocks and the loss of Yub yub, which I actually dislike. What's ruined it for me is the change that the context of the PT has worked on the OT. That's what really drained the magic for me. That's why I complain.

The OT changes just get me disappointed. The PT changes everything.
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
But we get Greedo and Han and Jabba tail stepping scenes that not only are pointless but irritating...

See I don't mind that change that much. Yes it was stupid, but we have to keep in mind he did want that in the original films. He did film the scene after all (and added Jabba later).

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The OT changes just get me disappointed. The PT changes everything.

I don't mind the OT changes that much. I sorta like how it does tie into the PT, no matter how stupid they are (I've just blocked out the mediclorines, or whatever they are, stuff from my mind forever).

My issue w Lucas is that I believe all forms of the Star Wars saga should be on DVD (and the best format available in the future, ie HD-DVD). That includes the 1997 SE. He should respect the fans wishes and be able to full-fill his vision at the same time, and let fans see how the movies have changed over time. That's my opinion anyway.
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i now know why he made this thread....
please dont tell those at MF.com about what we said..
lol

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It all sounds like the speculation thrown around with the W brothers and the Matrix.

"Oh wow, the movie did great...yeah, did we mention it was originally a trilogy"

Im just saying. I dont particularly care if it was all written on the fly (Star Wars I mean) - I still loved them, and nothing would change that. Thats why I wish they were available on DVD.
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