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Waterworld [spoRv] (Released)

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,^…^, presents Waterworld [spoRv] - special project of Remuxed version

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Mission: to fix Waterworld best video and couple it with best audio tracks.

Video source: Italian HD-DVD.

Audio sources: Cinema DTS and laserdisc for english tracks, Italian HD-DVD for foreign audio tracks.

Subtitles sources: Italian HD-DVD for all the tracks.

Project info:

Waterworld is available on Blu-ray; despite the fact it has an higher bitrate of the HD-DVD, the latter is considered by many of higher quality, without DNR; but its color grading is a bit too magenta, so it’s color corrected to display better blue gradients.

I also thought to add the Cinema DTS track, plus the analog english track from the laserdisc; foreign languages are from the HD-DVD Dolby Digital Plus track; they lack the .1 subwoofer track, so it’s taken from the Cinema DTS, and is re-encoded to DD 640kbps.

Source Material

Video:

Audio:

  • Waterworld - Cinema DTS audio track
  • Waterworld - laserdisc
  • Waterworld - Italian HD-DVD

Subtitles:

  • English, French, German, Italian, Spanish.

Final format: BD-25

Video:

  • vc-1 1920x1080 1.85:1, 23.976fps, 16.3mbps, UNTOUCHED from HD-DVD

Audio:

  • English DTS 1509kbps 5.1 16bit 48kHz - from Cinema DTS
  • English PCM 1536kbps 2.0 16bit 48kHz - from laserdisc analog track
  • French AC3 640kbps 5.1 16bit 48kHz - from HD-DVD Dolby Digital Plus
  • German AC3 640kbps 5.1 16bit 48kHz - from HD-DVD Dolby Digital Plus
  • Italian AC3 640kbps 5.1 16bit 48kHz - from HD-DVD Dolby Digital Plus
  • Spanish AC3 640kbps 5.1 16bit 48kHz - from HD-DVD Dolby Digital Plus

Subtitles:

  • English
  • French
  • German
  • Italian
  • Spanish

Notes:

  • Main animated menu, static soundtrack and subtitle settings menu, static chapters menu
  • Blu-ray custom made outside and inside covers, plus disc label; chapters.

"Partner in crime":

  • DoomBot and Jetrell Fo for the DTS Cinema track.

Project Status: NEARLY COMPLETED

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As there will be some empty space in the BD-25, I want to fill it with ONE secondary english soundtrack from laserdisc.

Which do you prefer between these:

  1. DTS
  2. PCM
  3. Analog

I'd like to NOT include the DTS, as there will be the Cinema DTS one, so probably the laserdisc will be really similar; still don't know if to use the PCM, or the analog, just to make something different; these ones should reflect the 4.0 theatrical mix, so I'm almost surely choose one of them, to have a different mix.

I don't think there is a commentary track somewhere, but if it exist, please let me know; also, maybe I could find a place to add also an HD trailer...

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

As there will be some empty space in the BD-25, I want to fill it with ONE secondary english soundtrack from laserdisc.

Which do you prefer between these:

  1. DTS
  2. PCM
  3. Analog

I'd like to NOT include the DTS, as there will be the Cinema DTS one, so probably the laserdisc will be really similar; still don't know if to use the PCM, or the analog, just to make something different; these ones should reflect the 4.0 theatrical mix, so I'm almost surely choose one of them, to have a different mix.

I don't think there is a commentary track somewhere, but if it exist, please let me know; also, maybe I could find a place to add also an HD trailer...

 Hey _,,,^..^,,,_,

    Great project, I'm looking forward to the results. Concerning the audio. It would be nice to have one of the 5.0 (or is it 4.0) remixed soundtracks from the DVD(s) or the HD-DVD/BD to contrast against the Cinema DTS' 5.1. I'm not sure if the DTS on the LD is the original 5.1 or the 5.0 (if it is 5.0 it would be nice to include). Anyway just my opinion. Good luck!

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Are you planning to do this project before completing "Minority Report"? What about your plans to fix previous releases? I'm really impressed with what you've done in the past, but I'm a little bit reluctant to burn any discs.

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@PDB: as it seems that the theatrical mix was 5.1 - as you can find in this thread - so probably the DTS from laserdisc will be the same; as both DD+ from HD-DVD and DTS-HD MA from BD are commercialy available, I thought to not add these tracks for now - but I will do a BD-50 with them only if I will find out the laserdisc tracks for german, spanish and french, plus italian from my own LD.

So, I should only choose one track between PCM (easy) and analog...

@applesandrice: this project is born almost for joke... I mean, somewhere I read the HD-DVD was considered better than the BD; I had the HD-DVD... as I must learn how to rip an HD-DVD, I made 1+1=2, so...

It's almost done, I just have to capture the laserdisc soundtrack; I think there will be no compatibility issue this time, as video will be left "as is"... of course, I will test it with more players than my two PS3 consoles, now that I know the latter could read almost everything, while "normal" stand alone BD players are more "picky" (^^,)

Of course, beta testers with a BD burner AND a standalone BD player - NOT a PS3 - are more than welcome!

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Even if the Television Cut DVD release is not great, what about adding the TV Cut as an bonus feature to the Disc? Even without subtitles would it be a nice addition.

"I kill Gandalf." - Igor, Dork Tower

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TV CUT = Extended Cut... as there is an R1 DVD around, I don't think it's so useful to add it here; plus the BD-25 is almost full, and I don't want to force users to burn a BD-50 for "only" 30GB of data... (^^,)

Plus, don't forget there is always the Ulysses Cut DVD - made by a member of this forum!

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

TV CUT = Extended Cut... as there is an R1 DVD around, I don't think it's so useful to add it here; plus the BD-25 is almost full, and I don't want to force users to burn a BD-50 for "only" 30GB of data... (^^,)

Plus, don't forget there is always the Ulysses Cut DVD - made by a member of this forum!

 Why not using remaining space for reviews along with majority of features? Would be good, yes?

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There aren't any features - aside from the extended cut, Universal have treated this film with surprising (or perhaps not so surprising) disdain through its digital life.

I'd be interested to know if the trailer on the Blu-ray is HD (or even 16:9) - my HD-DVD copy has nothing at all.

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i have the old dts-dvd on my shelf ;)

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Jonno said:

There aren't any features - aside from the extended cut, Universal have treated this film with surprising (or perhaps not so surprising) disdain through its digital life.

I'd be interested to know if the trailer on the Blu-ray is HD (or even 16:9) - my HD-DVD copy has nothing at all.

 there is no hd trailer for this movie.

as for the extended cut, i think i have the dvd somewhere around. if it's needed for the project, let me know.

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Has anyone ever made a project where they use seamless branching? It might be too demading while coding from what my basic understanding is about the procedure. Better than wasting disc space and just having the Title pick and choose which chapters to use for specific cuts.

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Updates:

the Cinema DTS track is slightly out of sync compared to the HD-DVD tracks; plus, its phase is inverted (also in comparison to BD); so, I managed to fix these things.

Plus, the french, german, italian and spanish tracks from the HD-DVD have an empty .1 channel; I extracted it from the DTS track, and replaced the empty one for each language with this.

I'm going to capture the PCM laserdisc track now, unless someone thinks that the analog track is better and/or different from the PCM one...

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AUDIO:

I can't find my non-DTS laserdisc, so I decided to use the analog track from the DTS one; indeed, the quality is very good!

LASERDISC GLITCH:

As I captured video to use it as reference for audio sync, I discovered this glitch:

note the white trail of the jet ski on the left; it's over the black side... and it continues to stay there for the whole shot!

If you want to say it in motion, here you are a small clip: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lwkp1g - 4.3MB

COLOR CORRECTION:

As the HD-DVD (and BD too, I think) has a slightly "wrong" color grading (IMHO and other's, too), I thought to use the laserdisc as color reference; its colors are better, but still not "right"... I decided to NOT use a color matching script this time, but to make a simple color correction, to get rid of all those grey-ish, pink-ish etc. skies and seas, using the laserdisc colors as example in many scenes.

Left, color corrected; right, untouched (bottom, link to larger version):

http://s17.postimg.org/4b3wbujfx/ww_cc_002208.jpg

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Not perfect, but a good balance; I think I reached the goal to make Waterworld a film with blue sea and sky as it should be; skin colors remain the same, as green of the vegetation at the end; the only drawback seems to be that sometimes jet ski, trimaran and boat trails are blueish instead whiteish, but it's a small price I'm happy to pay, and you?

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I personally have a lot of difficultly seeing the difference with split screen comparisons, I prefer seeing the whole screencap with the new colour grading in order to be able to get a better idea of how it looks. Could you put up some comparisons of the whole screencap rather than the halfway split, preferably using http://screenshotcomparison.com so the difference is even easier to see?

Also a video clip with the regraded colours would be incredibly useful in being able to give you my thoughts on the colour/image dynamics of your regrade.

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Here you are the screenshot comparison link:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66386/

as for the test clip, as I began to encode the final video, I'm not sure if I'm going to produce a test clip, the encode will do its job perfectly, so I prefer to finish to encode before. At least, with the screenshot comparison you have 8 different frames to compare; even if the color corrected one isn't perfect, as I wrote also in my previous post, it's better IMHO of the HD-DVD color grading...

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Here you are the screenshot comparison link:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66386/

as for the test clip, as I began to encode the final video, I'm not sure if I'm going to produce a test clip, the encode will do its job perfectly, so I prefer to finish to encode before. At least, with the screenshot comparison you have 8 different frames to compare; even if the color corrected one isn't perfect, as I wrote also in my previous post, it's better IMHO of the HD-DVD color grading...

Thanks for these, very helpful! While its definately an improvement on the HD-DVD colour grading, I personally feel that your whites are now too blue, making the film feel colder than it should do IMHO.

Screencomparisons 1 & 7 are the most useful to me, the reflections of the sun on the water should look warmer on your regraded version, they look too cold as they are right now on your regrade, they don't look like reflected sunlight on water would look like in real life.

If you're going for a less natural look though its fine, I personally don't like the colder look but that's just me, this is your project so its your call.

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It's difficult to make a simple color grading and keep the white "pure"... I agree it could be seen in the reflections, but for example in the 7th picture the HD-DVD one is pinkish, so not "right" too...

But even if it seems cold - and indeed it's colder than the HD-DVD - as many think the HD-DVD is a bit too warm, final result should be more or less balanced, maybe a bit colder than what it should be, but "truer" to the spirit of the movie, almost all upon the sea and below the sky...

I don't mind if the final result of the corrected version is not natural; this is a post-apocalyptic movie, after all; as Mad Max DVD has "wrong" natural colors, it has "right" post-apocalyptic colors, you know what I mean...

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Guess what? I forgot to disable automatic updates, and my PC thought to restart itself to let a new update work... so, Waterworld processing stopped at around 30%... oh, well, it was "just" one day of processing... (**n)

Well, here you are a test clip - the one from first screenshot; reflections are not so blue as it seems in the image, though:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/iiimzy - 73MB, no sound

Waiting for your feedbacks!

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After some further tweaks, I think I reached a better color balance now, with better whites. I'm going to process this right now.

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I see what your saying with the whites having some blue in it.

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Sorry about the delay in providing feedback on that video, I was away from my pc for all the weekend.

That video still has the same problem of the whites being way too blue IMHO.

I've got the blu-ray of waterworld so i'll check it out and see what problems you're facing, see if I can find a way to get those whites looking more natural while fixing the overall red tint problem.