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Thanks. It's good to know, i'm not just humoring myself.

Moth3r wrote: "I was amused to hear you'd sent copies of the DVD to Microsoft and Lucasfilm!"

The ideas behind this project are a win-win for just about everyone, but only if there's some appreciation for even just a small part of it. There are some hurdles, A. making the system which can cut-up the video (ok big hurdles), B. getting permissions from copyright owners to reuse the footage and C. prooving that someone will watch something like this.

I can't do A. so I sent copies to those who could. Looks like my cover letter wasn't interesting enough. How many blind letters/DVDs do they get at these big computer companies... so. FAIL. fine. B. can be solved if C. works, in my opinion. So i'm attemtping to put this in front of the eyeballs of whom ever might have a passing interest. Maybe with the idea of repurposing video to be more informative will cooerce someone to make the 'A.' system. which could reproduce much of this DVD.

With the system in place, it's a no-branier for copyright owners to put their material into the system, even if they choose to do it behind hulu-like places, which are feeder/steamers. ...and conversely open source people have proven through films like RiP "A Remix Manifesto" (http://www.ripremix.com/) that the opposite works too.

And at that point the searcher wins, they can filter out the clutter for the specifics.

In the shorter term, for a company like Lucasfilm, if people do chose to watch something like this, it's gotta be an eye opener that they could create their own dedicated pay on-demand cable channel and working with the media owners who are willing to play along, play literally anything which references SW. In a few years, LFL will have a lot of recent content of their own which can be accentuated by brief commercial like breaks which contain the type of clips which ended up in tBSWM. The ephemeral bull shit which can pile up into something significant culturally speaking.

I understand why LFL didn't keep the disc, (general policy of returning all quote/unquote creative material) but it does say 'Public Domain' several times (on the cover, on the disc) so they didn't have to worry about stealing the ideas.

I found the 1-CD AVI rip on Demonoid; I don't expect the quality is up to much - squeezing nearly three and a half hours down to that size - but if it helps get more people interested in the project then it's all good.

Yeah, really neeto, and the quality is acceptable sorta close to the mp4 on the FAQ website. Turns out the guy had gotten it from usenet, but couldn't find any info on the project and felt people might want to see it. So he put it up. Fantastic. I've been researching but haven't nailed down the process, but I want to send letters to the downloader's ISP to congratulate them. (the reverse of the Cease & Desists letters which downloaders usually get) I've put up the I.P. addresses on the website and if any of them come forward (if the mailing address is close to the ISP location), i'll send them a copy.

The other good news that word is slowly sorta spreading. blueyoda at faneditforums wrote the second full review (link'd in the FAQ) really nailed down many of the issues of the disc, paints the overall picture really well. And the SWEroticaForums (although discussion was limited) showed that someone was willing to pick out a chapter and put it on their blog/forum, ie focus on a specific.

Trailer 2 is the unanimous winner from all fronts. (well all 4 of you) Plus China just revoke the necessity of the Green Dam censorware, (it'll still be on all computers, just not defaulted on) so trailer one's main joke is no longer relevant:
http://www.crn.com/software/217900033;jsessionid=3UNT253TOFYNUQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN

Few more ideas/surprises to process through, we'll see if I can get to them before my window of opportunity closes. Thanks for the comments.

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For those interested in the next generation of free and open video systems:
http://openvideoconference.org/

the lectures/presentations/Q&As can be watched online.

1791 : Free Speech
1965 : Free Voting
1983 : Free Software
2009 : Free Video

These folks are attempting to set in place a platform which is unemcumbered by the restrictions the current video systems are. FireFox announced that the forthcoming version 3.5 will support the Ogg Video codec (theora : http://theora.org/ : http://xiph.org/) This will allow content creators to input video onto website (specific video tag) in an easier fashion and it won't be in a flash container or behind other codec's which are proprietary.

Another forthcoming project is Metavid.org. This is a system which wikipedia will be implementing which will allow users to place & edit video into wiki's. So when you look at the wikipedia entry for a location, users can place their homevideos into that entry. Right now the system works with the online C-Span repository. You can search the transcripts and cut the video pieces you want together then blog about this issue. The system is being used to find hypocritical congress critters who say they'll do one thing on the floor of congress but their http://www.opensecrets.org/ say something different.

There was a another online video editing system which was shown briefly. can't find the website but I thought it was called, pad.me. (have to ask them if it's a SW ref...) [EDIT: the correct website name is pad.ma]

DVD Jon of DeCSS fame gave a lecture about his experiences.

Generally the open source video movement seemed to me to be in the process of moving all the tools which were created in the EditDroid system, which then moved into software controlled by companies, those tools we're then moved to open software systems/operating systems, and now are in the progress of going online, through a browser interface. Listened into a conversation between one of the VLC engineers and Mozilla folks talk about how to get Internet Explorer to play the Ogg format. Since that's where the major market share is and Microsoft will not do it until the movement overwhelms them, or someone does it for them.

Handed out a few copies of tBSWM. But since not every aspect of the disc is 'open', I didn't waste too many people's time. Plus from the sound of it, the idea of a video searching system is not in the 5 year plan. But everyone was nice while I rambled about my random ideas on the future of video interaction.

The Mozilla presentation also had a feature which will allow users to add too/modify video sources. I remember reading a NYTimes article about a system in Japan which allows people to add text and other graphic elements to online sources. Might be a fun way to add interactivity to tBSWM FAQ videos, people could add their comments about the clips and with Metavid things can be rearranged into something better.

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Wired article which explains it better:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/06/open-video-conference-pushes-for-free-ubiquitous-video/

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Duuude. This is one of the most bizarre things I've ever watched. At the same time, I can't stop watching. Excellent work none!

One problem I noticed: when I mount the image file and try to play it in PowerDVD 9, it doesn't play the DVD correctly. It basically just plays the titles one by one. I haven't tried burning it and playing it in a real DVD player yet, but I just thought I'd point that out.

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I managed to downsize the iso to 4.33GB and it plays well on my telly and burned onto a single layer disc well enough.

No insult intended but it's not Lawrence Of Arabia and a bit of a quality drop out only adds to the feeling of media overload.

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Zion said:

One problem I noticed: when I mount the image file and try to play it in PowerDVD 9, it doesn't play the DVD correctly. It basically just plays the titles one by one.

No such issues noted here (think I mounted the image with D-tools and played it with PowerDVD 7).

Also, the burned copy works OK on my standalone.

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Thanks Zion for checking this out. Not sure about the PowerDVD 9 issue. (maybe since the disc was authored on a Mac and PowerDVD is PC) When you say it plays the titles one by one, you mean after the title plays through it goes back to the menu, or does it stop (pause or black screen) and you need to press play to see the next chapter? Haven't heard of this problem.

Personally I recommend VLC (http://www.videolan.org/) for computer playback. Although VLC skips the intro movie, it's got a great skip back a few seconds option, so when you sense you missed something, rewatching is a quick click away. Especially for tBSWM this can be helpful. I've only tested the disc on a friend's Playstation, but it was created with authoring software (4 yrs old) that came in a big schmancy box.

Also Zion, since your a mod over at the tf.n fan film forums, any tips on how to approach them over there? I'll notify that community once i've finished the revised trailer.

On the promotional front, added a section of the FAQ about the Open Video Conference:
http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM_FAQ.html#OpenVideoConference

Synopsis : Spent about the same length of time as the DVD pretending to be a street bootleg DVD seller in the hallway between the conference rooms and the bathrooms. Got a lot of odd looks and glance aways. But it gave me time to talk to the people who were curious, handed out copies to a surprising variety of people with equally exciting backgrounds. Hope some of them watch parts of this thing and comment. But I phucked up a great opportunity, I submitted a question (on the Elite Torrent takedown) by post-it note to the final guest speaker, but forgot to include my moniker, %20... (further details and link to vid in the FAQ)

Other FAQ changes: http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM_FAQ.html#FAQChanges

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((((move to couple posts below: several deleted links to bad versions of the trailer))))

...sigh... again not sure if it's helpful. Considering letting the clips run another 10+ seconds and add in some additional voice over, like "i'm not sure how to explain this thing, please consider reading the chapter titles and if one sounds interesting try it out." ...the beginning idea stayed more or less intact, the ending morphed when I remembered the quote, but reading teh quote and flipping between the tv audio and the voice over (teh meeegah sux), might be a little much.

Comments welcomed.

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Thanks to all those who have commented on and/or reviewed the disc. I've been on the fence about it (I didn't know about this thread at first, either, which didn't help), but I think now I will get it, maybe at the start of July when my bandwidth resets. Haha.

none, I see that you have mentioned changing the audio levels a few times now. Are you planning to release an updated version of "Thee Back..." with the audio leveled out, or is this something you're just keeping in mind for future projects? If you do plan to do an audio fix and make a Thee Back 2.0, I would wait to download that instead of getting the current one. Thanks.

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I can't get any sound on the trailer due to it having some wierd audio format ("TWOS", whatever that is - some form of PCM I believe.)  Going to try and see if ffdshow supports it.

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Worked through the kinks, the below mp4 has the same compression aspects as the rest of the onsite media:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_00a_512kb.mp4

(below copy is slightly larger - working on the HD version)

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM_Misc/tBSWM-Composite-Self/ReadMe.html

The above version of the trailer was created from quicktime's export function.  If the .mov doesn't load, at the bottom is a link to the .m4v file.  (This is a temporary fix until I can isolate what is causing the Archive.org derivatives function to insert repeat frames.  Must have something to do with editing/compositing this trailerr in quicktime, the results are not play well with other programs)

Ripplin : no plans for a version 2.  My tinnitus hearing doesn't find the audio variations that jarring, but I have also never seen tBSWM on a tv.  The audio is probably poor on maybe 10-15 clips out of 1,666.

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Thanks for the info, and sorry to hear about the tinnitus. I have a problem with my left ear, but it's not that, thankfully. :p Mine does a sort of rapid popping thing in certain conditions. One notable one was the second time I saw the Special Edition of Star Wars; R2's beeps went right through my head. They had the sound way too loud! But then again, it can happen with random songs played at a reasonable, or even fairly low, volume sometimes.

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Trailer 00a

Play Online:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_00a-Play.html

Download Mp4:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_00a_512kb.mp4

Download Ogv:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_00a.ogv

 

And here's the point:

 

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(other recent updates : http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM_FAQ.html#FAQChanges )

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Order 725

The Plea:
Help promote alternative/independent Star Wars fan film / fan edit / fan video / fan media culture.

The Play:
Get the logo of your favorite Atom Film failing Star Wars fan film / fan edit / fan video / fan media (which 'Thee Backslacpkping With Media is one) into the G4 coverage of Star Wars San Diego Comic-Con Spectacular.

The Ploy:
Print out the logo and figure out a creative way to get the logo on screen. Paste it to a column, tape it on someone's back or just wave it like a maniac. (at an appropriate time)

The Not:
This declaration/action is not about upstaging the event, so sticking the logo on the camera is not helpful. The idea is to gain a wider public awareness of films which were not included.

Success can be viewed in different forms. 1. Longevity, 2. Location, 3. Size when on screen.

So bring a logo, and 'do what must be done'.
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((tBSWM Logo - http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Promotion/tBSWM-Logo.rar )

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No offense, but your voice isn't exactly a trailer voice. Loved the video, otherwise. Maybe try turning the levels up a bit, your voice gets masked by other sounds, especially at the beginning of the trailer.

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Thanks for the comments. Will gladly replace the trailer voice when another version can be created. But had to work within a limitation and time frame. Had problems recording the dialog, tried it in a garage one morning, but a crow kept chiming in as I approached the last few words of most of the takes. Ended up using takes from a one a.m. recording and some others... I wasn't happy with the opening line, which is partly why it got drowned out by the stretched horn. This world is only media saturated for a minority. (if the concept is even possible) didn't figure out something better so left it in/behind. Curious to see if people pay attention to the 'quote' even though there's no direct audio mentioning it.

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The Order 725 (see above) proclamation is proceeding... In the same convoluted fashion as the rest of this monstrocity.

Admonished at TFn (http://boards.theforce.net/fan_films_fan_audio_scifi_3d_forum/b10015/30226744/p1/?3

Locked at G4 (http://forums.g4tv.com/showthread.php?t=129408

...hope someone takes up the cause. It's 'good' you know.

So with that: "Who wants to be my DVD mule for SDCC?" (San Diego Comic-Con)

I'll send a couple copies (5-10) to any address, and whomever gives them to whomever at SDCC.

Will you be my DVD mule for SDCC?

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none said:

Thanks for the comments. Will gladly replace the trailer voice when another version can be created. But had to work within a limitation and time frame. Had problems recording the dialog, tried it in a garage one morning, but a crow kept chiming in as I approached the last few words of most of the takes. Ended up using takes from a one a.m. recording and some others... I wasn't happy with the opening line, which is partly why it got drowned out by the stretched horn. This world is only media saturated for a minority. (if the concept is even possible) didn't figure out something better so left it in/behind. Curious to see if people pay attention to the 'quote' even though there's no direct audio mentioning it.

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It might be fun if you used a vocoder or a ring modulator to Robo your voice up and add to the anonymous oddness of the whole thing.

Or even more oddness could be gleamed from sampling the words of your trailer from words spoken in the project (sort of like the audio version of a blackmail note made out of pasted magazine print).

 

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Bingowings wrote:
Or even more oddness could be gleamed from sampling the words of your trailer from words spoken in the project (sort of like the audio version of a blackmail note made out of pasted magazine print).

 

Phunnie that you mention an idea of such note. As part of an online Media Collective called Snuggles, a project called Dictionaraoke was created. The goal was to recreate songs using the words (spoken correctly) by online dictionaries. (Webster, Encarta, etc.)

http://www.dictionaraoke.org

and after getting tired of recreating songs, I recreated the Opening Crawl of SW:

http://ia301511.us.archive.org/0/items/dictionaraoke/George_Lucas-star_wars_episode_4.mp3

Great idea, Bingowings.

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For those watching this documediamentary in the weekly online form, a reminder that this weeks chapter is the topic everyone seems to have an opinion on:

 

 

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Watch Online:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_09-Play.html

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http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_09_512kb.mp4

Download Ogv:

http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_09.ogv

 

Discuss:

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So today I was clearing out some old emails, and noticed that this page from 2005 is still up:

OMGZ!!1

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They used to tell us it was our BBC, it's so nice of them to archive pages that people have scribbled all over (a bit like sticking children's drawings on a fridge door).

I must admit to LMTOWROTFWMLARTRROBARASMUing when I read that.

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First off, extra thanks goes out to all the DVD mules who performed beyond imagination at SDCC. 

Nice find, this was one of those bits which didn't make tBSWM but should be part of the discussion. Forgotten (and didn't revisit enough it would seem) some of the nuances of those days, where half of your freetime day was preparing for the movie but yet all this stuff was going down which was affecting the evolution of the internet story. Need to search out more. When I was work on tBSWM, got tied into the current evolvement of this story and never went back and completely flushed out the paranoia of those early days. Quickly searching around came this idea which seems plausible.

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=156077&sid=93d1877ca2dcd3d603684d128f24f6c

what does that unknown group of seven letters mean? The answer - absolutely nothing. That is, nothing except for it being a simple digital tracking device so certain FBI/ICE/MPAA officials can monitor all the talk about it. Naturally, when people start talking about a message which is not ordinarily seen on the "surface" of a website, it will offer clues into who's talking about it and what exactly they're saying. A search engine keyword such as "EliteTorrents" would need to be filtered in order to accurately compile all the sources leading to possible EliteTorrents.org clandestine discussion. And that's where RTJKJAS comes in

but there are also ideas like:

http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/rtjkjas

Return To Justice. Know Jesus As Savior

tBSWM:2:RTJKJAS has a nice ring to it.

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Triptych HD Resolution Wallpapers showcasing 'Thee Backslacpkping With Media' from three different vantage points. [Size 1934x1088]

 

tBSWM-WP01_FDP-Co3.jpg - 'The Battle Over Mediascant'

Full Size - http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Images/tBSWM-WP01_FDP-Co3.jpg


tBSWM-WP02_FDP-So3.jpg - 'Shifting Mediascant Horizon'

Full Size - http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Images/tBSWM-WP02_FDP-So3.jpg

tBSWM-WP03_FDP-Jo3.jpg - 'tBSWM Viewer at the Mediascant Media Temple'

Full Size - http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Images/tBSWM-WP03_FDP-Jo3.jpg

 

Chapter of the Week - "Politics Mis-Reporting"

Watch Online:
http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_12-Play.html
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http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM-Video-ArchiveOrg/Thee_Backslacpkping_With_Media-Chap_12.ogv

"Politics Mis-Reporting" is one of the more important chapters in 'Thee Backslacpkping With Media'. This was the chapter which started it all. Watching the coverage and being periodically introduced to blantantly wrong but reported to be right facts, by not only the mass media but also in individual opinions was the virtual spoon which stirred up this pot. If a system could be developed to reproduce similarly constructed pieces, it would be an invaluable tool in the area of fact checking of any type of media. For the newly streamed media could be cross referenced with the massive pool of archived media to determine if the new speaker is factual or just wrongly opinioned.

This would help promote a more active democracy which would lead to a greater sense of liberty. Two of the proponents of the Prequel Trilogy, which as shown in this segment, were actively promoted by George Lucas, but were commonly used to back up a pre-agenda of a political link against the current regime. Media fact checking could be a way to undercut political rhetoric before it swells.

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Lovely wallpapers None, utterly nuts and uneasy on the eye and perfect for this jewel of a project.

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very cool..

 

just discovered it..

 

i really dig multimedia stuff like this..

(reminds of what the electronic group 'EBN' does)..

 

great job..

 

be seeing you

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