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The problem of Owen Lars — Page 2

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thelonius said:

Give the guy a break, he aged at least four decades on only 19 years.

Moisture-Farming on a planet with two suns seems to be a hard business.

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If they could have stopped blowing all their dough on power converters and saved just a small amount for sunscreen we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

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Nah, the real problem is that in the Star Wars reboot, Owen is a woman.

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Just wait until the internet finds out that in the reboot, Beru is also a woman.

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Yeah, but was it explicitly a “real” brother or could it also mean half brother, step brother or “so close friends, they are like brothers” brother?

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This is another one of those many things to which I’ve never given a moment’s thought.

Luke lived with his aunt & uncle, they had a moisture farm, he wanted to move out, they have a few lines, they were killed early in the film.

It took me longer just now to peck out that sentence than I’ve spent in the past 40 years wondering about their backstory or familial connections. To me, this is just more of the damage Lucas inflicted on the franchise when he decided to shrink the universe.

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You were never curious about how much they knew and were keeping from Luke?

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Where were you in '77?

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I’m kind of like Anchorhead, but mainly because Lazy Frink, Is Lazy.

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yotsuya said:

thelonius said:

Give the guy a break, he aged at least four decades on only 19 years.

When you look at the ages of the actors who played him and consider that people’s skin age faster under harsh sun, the discrepancy shrinks. If you make the Clone Wars longer (three years is too short for such an epic, galaxy spanning, Republic destroying conflict) Owen and Beru’s ages make more sense in the PT and their apparent age in Ep 4 no longer is off at all.

Granted people can look older than they are, but Ewan McGregor was around 35 when filming ROTS, and Alec Guinness was in his 70s when filming Star Wars. Sure, actors don’t always play characters that are the same age, but unless it’s obvious through makeup or exposition it’s a good metric. I could see McGregor being as old as 45 in ROTS and Guinness being as young as 65, but it strains credulity:
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I also can’t help noticing that Guinness’s nose and ears are proportionally much larger than McGregor’s, and this is a characteristic not of harsh environments but of advanced old age which only gets more pronounced in Empire and Jedi.

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Ewan becoming Alec bothers me much less than Jake creeping on Natalie.

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NeverarGreat said:

yotsuya said:

thelonius said:

Give the guy a break, he aged at least four decades on only 19 years.

When you look at the ages of the actors who played him and consider that people’s skin age faster under harsh sun, the discrepancy shrinks. If you make the Clone Wars longer (three years is too short for such an epic, galaxy spanning, Republic destroying conflict) Owen and Beru’s ages make more sense in the PT and their apparent age in Ep 4 no longer is off at all.

Granted people can look older than they are, but Ewan McGregor was around 35 when filming ROTS, and Alec Guinness was in his 70s when filming Star Wars. Sure, actors don’t always play characters that are the same age, but unless it’s obvious through makeup or exposition it’s a good metric. I could see McGregor being as old as 45 in ROTS and Guinness being as young as 65, but it strains credulity:
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I also can’t help noticing that Guinness’s nose and ears are proportionally much larger than McGregor’s, and this is a characteristic not of harsh environments but of advanced old age which only gets more pronounced in Empire and Jedi.

I don’t really see a problem with this.

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NeverarGreat said:

yotsuya said:

thelonius said:

Give the guy a break, he aged at least four decades on only 19 years.

When you look at the ages of the actors who played him and consider that people’s skin age faster under harsh sun, the discrepancy shrinks. If you make the Clone Wars longer (three years is too short for such an epic, galaxy spanning, Republic destroying conflict) Owen and Beru’s ages make more sense in the PT and their apparent age in Ep 4 no longer is off at all.

Granted people can look older than they are, but Ewan McGregor was around 35 when filming ROTS, and Alec Guinness was in his 70s when filming Star Wars. Sure, actors don’t always play characters that are the same age, but unless it’s obvious through makeup or exposition it’s a good metric. I could see McGregor being as old as 45 in ROTS and Guinness being as young as 65, but it strains credulity:
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I also can’t help noticing that Guinness’s nose and ears are proportionally much larger than McGregor’s, and this is a characteristic not of harsh environments but of advanced old age which only gets more pronounced in Empire and Jedi.

Alec Guinness was 62 when he filmed Star Wars in 1976. Ewan was 31 when he filmed AOTC. To me it seemed that they aged him for ROTS plus I think the Clone Wars should be much longer than 3 years (this is one of the many ages that makes more sense if it was longer. And 20 years on a planet like Tatooine can make your skin age an extra 10 easily, so either way, there is an extra decade that accounts for the aged look of the 3 residents of Tatooine in question.

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Ewan was 27 when filming E1. There’s supposed to be 33 years between that and Star Wars, which would put Obi-Wan at 60.

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I think Obi Wan’s age in TPM is actually 25.

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Just going by the actor’s age.

Don’t recall Lucas ever giving him an age, but Wookieepedia does put him at 24.

Still only a 5 year gap between the timeline and Guinness’s actual age.

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Verboten said:

Ewan was 27 when filming E1. There’s supposed to be 33 years between that and Star Wars, which would put Obi-Wan at 60.

So for those who think Obi-wan ages too fast, it’s because he didn’t look old enough in AOTC and ROTS.

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SilverWook said:

You were never curious about how much they knew and were keeping from Luke?

Not at all. Other than Beru mentioning that “he’s too much like his father”, it never felt like there was anything there. From what we’ve known since then (early script\story\characters\Original Vision nonsense), there wasn’t anything there. Owen, Beru, and Ben let us know that Luke’s father was a good pilot, a good man, and was killed when Luke was young.

They were a character vehicle to get a farm boy out in the middle of nowhere and have him feel less attached to his family because they aren’t his parents. They’re in the film to add a bit of depth on our main character.

Since Vader wasn’t his father in the 70s, there was no reason to ponder anything that Lucas retconned about Luke’s parents in the 80s and 90s. I never gave them any thought because there wasn’t anything there in 1977.

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So, there was no there there then? 😉

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There are several references to Owen being Obi-wan’s brother or relative in the EU and I’ve always wondered exactly how that would have worked.

I think it was clumsily handled in AOTC but the actual relationships should have already been explored long before now IMO. This would be something to do in the Obi-Wan film.

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Going by just the OT, one comes to the conclusion Beru and Owen are Anakins brother and sister, at least if one takes Luke calling them Aunt and Uncle at face value. As for the last name Lars, Skywalker could be a family nickname. Maybe the Lars family had naturally gifted pilots and one day Skywalker became a nickname of sorts for said pilots.