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Possessed said:

Rogue One isn’t really my style of movie.

MalàStrana said:

iamweasel said:
What do you guys think?

Well, I think that Rogue One is, by far and without contest, the worst Star Wars ever

Two ways to convey similar thoughts, one stated reasonably, one designed to get people riled up through hyperbole and constant repetition.

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Especially when you consider there are 2 Ewok movies and a Holiday Special.

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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mfastx said:

Porkins is hilarious, gotta keep him in there.

Porkins must have inspired the creation of the Peppy character from the Starfox games. 😄

“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”

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MalàStrana said:

Well, I think that Rogue One is, by far and without contest, the worst Star Wars ever, so I wouldn’t want this awful movie as Episode III.

ääähemmm…i hope you don´t drink and you don´t mean this serious…
the worst sw movie is ep1 follows from the holiday special (not really a movie,but…worst…).

And I really like Episode III the way it was released in theater .
Even Episode II is way better than Rogue One (!).

the ewok adventures movies “caravan of courage” and “battle for endor” are better than this bad cgi movies.
Rogue One is the best sw movie after the GOUT!

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If Lando is to stay, Maybe we could kill Wedge just to put a bit of bitter lemon into those celebration drinks.

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For the ROTJ Revisited,
do you guys think its possible to clean up all the green matte remains from the compositing on the ships?

In EP4 SE, they did it pretty well, but not 100% in EP6 SE for some unknown reason.

What do you think?

I’ll be back…

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I think that’ll be high on the list as they didn’t touch many effects for the RotJ SE.

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doubleofive said:

I think that’ll be high on the list as they didn’t touch many effects for the RotJ SE.

Yeah.
I tried removing it on one of the ships and it was a frame by frame pain.

ILM had the original effect plates when they did the Special Edition.
George Lucas was smart to save them. Most directors just throw them away when the movie is released.

I’ll be back…

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JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

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If Adywan intends to keep Padme and Anakins wedding I think it would resolve a lot of continuity errors it was shifted to Tatooine against the twin sunset at the Lars Homestead. That way we as an audience can assume that they spent some time there between AOTC and ROTS, became more familiar with the Lars family, and that Obi-Wan at some point sent for Anakin…

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TK42-WAN said:

If Adywan intends to keep Padme and Anakins wedding I think it would resolve a lot of continuity errors it was shifted to Tatooine against the twin sunset at the Lars Homestead. That way we as an audience can assume that they spent some time there between AOTC and ROTS, became more familiar with the Lars family, and that Obi-Wan at some point sent for Anakin…

This is a great idea. And it will be even better if Beru and Lars can be seen in the wedding.

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Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

I’ll be back…

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n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

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iamweasel said:

n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

Maybe. Maybe not. Or just some visual continunity error fixing.

I’ll be back…

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iamweasel said:

n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

ALLOL!
But the PT would still be garbage.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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Okay.

In regards to the “you served my father in the clone wars…” it’s too specific, it in no way implies “you served my father and a one hundred thousand other Senators during the clone wars” further more Obi-Wan served The Republic for thirty odd years before that.

I can’t even imagine why Lucas chose not to use Alderaan as a key planet in the prequels.

I always assumed that the Jedi and Clone Army would at some point come to aid of Aldeeraan, hence “you served my father during the clone wars…”

(I would have the opening battle in Revenge of the Sith take place in the skies above Alderaan. Palpatine could have be on a “diplomatic mission” to ensure Alderaans allegiance to Republic, when the planet is attacked by the Separatists and Palpatine kidnapped.

The contrast with the War Machines and the beautiful peaceful planet below would be much more striking and Coruscant features far to heavily throughout the films. The prequels are almost like a Bond film set entirely in London and MI6 headquarters.)

“Do you remember your mother, your real mother?” Again, pretty specific. Lucas himself has said that this line was included as “The Mother” was going to play an integral role in the prequel trilogy.

The character is just lying or misremembering?

That’s just making excuses for poorly thought out writing.

As for Tarkins’ line “you my friend are all that’s left of their religion…” Personally, and I know this is not how it was originally written (Vader was not intended to be Anakin at this point) I think it can be interpreted that Tarkin knows Vader was once a Jedi.

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I’ve read numerous posts in regards to removing Boba Fett from Jabba’s Palace during Jedi. While I understand the reasoning for this, I think it would be more interesting if he was their waiting for Luke to attempt a rescue Han.

After Luke arrives, Boba Fett can inform Vader that Luke is at Jabba’s Palace. I would probably place this after Luke has killed the Rancor, but before him and Han are reunited:

INT. DEATHSTAR. VADERS CHAMBERS

VADER sits in his mediation chamber. BOBA FETT appears on the view screen.

VADER:
What is it, bounty hunter.

FETT:
Skywalker is here.

VADER:
See to it that he remains there.

Vader leaves the Death Star aboard his shuttle.

Then I would place this after the barge explosion and falcon/ x-wing leaving Tatooine:

Vader can then arrive and enter through the main gates of the palace (mirroring Lukes entrance), however he snaps the necks of the guards using the force, and finds the palace practically empty. This would be after the barge explodes and skiff zooms away…

To me ROTJ has always felt a like a film of two somewhat disconnected halves, I think this would go a long way to remedying that.

Another idea for ROTJ would be to have C-3PO inform Han that the Ewoks were already preparing an assault on the Imperial base, therefore their weapons and traps are justified (I know this is something that bothers a lot of people.)

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I’ve read numerous posts in regards to removing Boba Fett from Jabba’s Palace during Jedi. While I understand the reasoning for this, I think it would be more interesting if he was their waiting for Luke to attempt a rescue Han.

After Luke arrives, Boba Fett can inform Vader that Luke is at Jabba’s Palace. I would probably place this after Luke has killed the Rancor, but before him and Han are reunited:

INT. DEATHSTAR. VADERS CHAMBERS

VADER sits in his mediation chamber. BOBA FETT appears on the view screen.

VADER:
What is it, bounty hunter.

FETT:
Skywalker is here.

VADER:
See to it that he remains there.

Vader leaves the Death Star aboard his shuttle.

Then I would place between the barge explosion and falcon/ x-wing leaving Tatooine:

Vader can then arrive and enter through the main gates of the palace (mirroring Lukes entrance), however he snaps the necks of the guards, and find the palace practically empty. This would be after the barge explodes and skiff zooms away…

Then cut to the falcon and x-wing leaving Tatooine.

To me Jedi has always felt a like a film of two somewhat disconnected halves, I think this would go a long way to remedying that.

Another idea for ROTJ would be to have C-3PO inform Han that the Ewoks were already preparing an assault on the Imperial base, therefore their weapons and traps are justified (I know this is something that bothers a lot of people.)

Loving the Vader idea. I had a similar idea of having Fett giving for a fee the location of the Emperor to the rebels and also getting paid by Vader as this would lead them into discovering the second Death Star thus baiting the trap. Your idea of Vader finding the palace empty is good too. You could replace Luke with Vader and use the same footage. I always thought the Force Choke move should be a Vader only move. He uses it because he has to fight for every breath so his signature punishment is deny breath from his opponents. Having Luke do it does foreshadow his darkside potential as does Leia choking Jabba but it’s just seems too dark for a Jedi move.