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The Star Wars Holiday Special: A New Hope (Released)

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I know there’s a few of these going on right now (the preservation project, and the “decampified” edit) but I’m trying to do something completely different.

I’ve already done the basic editing, but I think I might have to go back to the source and re-edit from the beginning because I think I’ve messed up.

Here’s what I have at my disposal:
DVD Decrypter
KCCI AngrySun DVD
Vegas Video 8 Pro
Womble

*I ripped from the angrysun dvd with dvd decrypter to a pristine lossless rip of the video, and had to convert the ac3 to wav so that I could edit it in vegas. did the video and audio editing simultaneously in vegas and now when I try to render the new 30 min cut, i get terrible quality (with interlacing/deinterlaced) lines during the video

What would be the right way to go about doing an edit that won’t lose any quality (from an already fairly “bad” source - I’m using the term lightly here since the KCCI broadcast is wonderful quality for an old VHS tape)?

I’d like to continue editing in Vegas if possible (for both audio and video), so should I do a new rip from the AngrySun dvd using ADM’s guide, or try editing in womble or even something else entirely? I just don’t want to lose the control I have over fades and audio edits, as well as number of tracks I can edit on simultaneously

Thanks in advance for the replies, and I can also update here on the status of the edit!
 

Right now the editing is done and here’s what is left:

  • I want to add in an opening crawl detailing the new storyline that I’ve edited together

  • Need better star field background to use for intro and to superimpose opening crawl onto

  • Create new title screen instead of using that crap one from the video

  • Perhaps do new character intro title shots from video in the special (to match the existing one, but not so long and maybe better shots?)

  • patch up stormtrooper raid intro

  • one or 2 audio glitches to fix

  • convert to matted widescreen to get rid of top and bottom VHS lines (if it doesn’t look too bad to do that)

Maybe someone can help point me in the right direction with how to do this…

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Cool! Now your doing a Holiday Special Edit. The only thing I need to to to my edit is to make a nice opening crawl. The inly diffrence I'm going to do is that I'm going to have white letters scroll on the screen instead of yellow to match the Special. I also am using the KCCI Version of the Special, and also quite possibly going to change some of the background music with my Dads 1977 2 Record set of the Star Wars OST.
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Originally posted by: Bob
Cool! Now your doing a Holiday Special Edit. The only thing I need to to to my edit is to make a nice opening crawl. The inly diffrence I'm going to do is that I'm going to have white letters scroll on the screen instead of yellow to match the Special. I also am using the KCCI Version of the Special, and also quite possibly going to change some of the background music with my Dads 1977 2 Record set of the Star Wars OST.


Mine's been "done" since the other day, but I really want to make this dvd quality (at least as good quality as the AngrySun transfer) - what program did you use to edit?

I also changed some music - notably the intro music and the pan into Chewie's house, as well as the end creits, but nothing really too major - just enough to add a bit of consistency

My crawl will be yellow since I'm going to change the opening title scene anyways - or maybe I'll just render a new white title and do the crawl in white as well - who knows?!
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I'm using Womble Mpeg Video Wizard DVD, and it's by far most one of the best video editing softwares around. I'm also thinking of editing the front Title Scene by re constructing it to some degree and when you find the right star field background please tell me.
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how do you edit audio smoothly? I tried in womble at first (that's why I ended up using vegas) and it came out rather choppy
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I convert all my audio files to wave and my video files to mpg. Not to be off subject what what do you think of "SWHS in 60 seconds" as a
Bonus Feature?
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Originally posted by: Bob
I convert all my audio files to wave and my video files to mpg. Not to be off subject what what do you think of "SWHS in 60 seconds" as a Bonus Feature?


Ok, I did that - what do you render as once you're done?

As for "SWHS in 60 Seconds" - don't you think that 60 seconds is too much? ;-)

I'm just kidding - I think it's a great idea!
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For Video I encode with MPG2 if I'm Finalizing or MPG1 if I'm still editing (so Virtualdub still works). Then I click on expert and select Highest Quality (or somthing like that) then I make sure that I also set the video as CBR. Now for audio I like to set the Bitrate to 192 and then once I have a final version I run that file through Video Enhancer at highest quality settings (and take a vacation with my Laptop).
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cool, I'll have to look into that

Also, I think I might rip the star field from one of the GOUT dvds crawl and loop it for a minute, as long as there's no real discernible movement, and use it as the background for the opening crawl/credits as well as a new reconstructed end credits, maybe done to match the credits of the movies? IDK, just tossing ideas out here
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Originally posted by: Bob
For Video I encode with MPG2 if I'm Finalizing or MPG1 if I'm still editing (so Virtualdub still works). Then I click on expert and select Highest Quality (or somthing like that) then I make sure that I also set the video as CBR. Now for audio I like to set the Bitrate to 192 and then once I have a final version I run that file through Video Enhancer at highest quality settings (and take a vacation with my Laptop).

That isn't exactly the best way to go about it. Using Mpeg1 can seriously deteriorate the quality of the video. This might explain why your snapshots of your Holiday special look so pixilated, Bob. It would be better to convert the holiday special to lossless avi (my choice is the Lagaryth codec) and use Vegas to edit. this way you won't lose any quality, plus vegas would only render the sections that have been edited with wipes etc. all other stuff it doesn't re-encode so the time for final render is cut greatly.. You need a good sized hard drive with a lot of space but the results would be worth it. once you have finished the edit then you export it as lossless avi and use a different program to encode it to mpeg2 ready for the DVd (vegas' mpeg encoder isn't too good). i use CinemaCraft Encoder to do all my mpeg rendering as it is by far the best encoder out there.

setting up vegas is pretty easy and it has perfect wipes & fades for any star wars edit but it all depends on the video you are editing as to what settings you need to change. but i could help with that is needed
Originally posted by: LinkTGF
Also, I think I might rip the star field from one of the GOUT dvds crawl and loop it for a minute, as long as there's no real discernible movement, and use it as the background for the opening crawl/credits as well as a new reconstructed end credits, maybe done to match the credits of the movies?

You don't need to loop the video. All you need to do is take a snapshot of the plain starfield in vegas or your software dvd player and use the still image for the background.

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I meant to put Mpg2 for editing and lossless AVI for Final (my mistake), and the reason why my snapshots were grainy and poor was the fact I used the fastest encoding and lowest quality option (also partially due to the fact that the rip isn't DVD Quality).
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Don't the stars move?

On a more positive note, I rendered my first cut and watched it on VCD just now and it's pretty good - only 6 small edits to make (less than a second or 2 each) aside from the intro and outro credits
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does anyone know if the KCCI Holiday Special version is avialble anywhere?

I just realised I don't have that version.

thanks
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
does anyone know if the KCCI Holiday Special version is avialble anywhere?
Blaksvn seeded it @myspleen

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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yes but it is not seeded very well now,and they won't update there damn bittorrent clients,seems to me that it is stupid to keep using the old outdated version of Utoorent when the new one is accepted everywhere else.
oh well I guess I just won't be adding this to my collection.

thanks anyways
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Funny that this came up - the daughter wanted to watch this instead of the Jim Carrey Grinch movie. Since it's 'technically' a holiday movie, we watched it.

Since 5 year olds love to see the same movie over and over... the next night we watched it again. So I'm good for a while!!
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Oh I know what you mean about that - I have a cousin who would constantly watch a Barney tape back in the day...

In any case, I just got more RAM and a larger HDD soooooo...

I might have this done in the near future
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LinkTGF & Bob

Appreciate the thread mateys, I am tinkering with making an edit of the Holiday Special just to
learn the ins/outs of doing such a thing and the enjoyment of making something new perhaps.

I just finished the download of the angrysun torrent [KCCI] and burned it to a DVD with Nero.
So now I am currently searching for the various software pieces folks use to make these edits.

Sounds like Vegas and Womble are key ... any other advice hey ?
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i wonder if anyone will make an edit of the two ewok films?

actually i dont want to encourage them.....