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The Sequel Trilogy complete redux

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Hello there!
I’m a long time lurker, in love with the fan edits world. I could have continued to silently enjoy the great edits but I had to come out and speak, because “something terrible has happened”: the Sequel Trilogy!
Jokes aside: I see that there are TFA edits already and that the TLJ edit ideas are been discussed. But, IMHO, those two films need so much restructuring, not just some trims. I see great problems at the foundation of the story and I’m not even sure something can be done to save the wrecking ship that this trilogy is.
Anyway, for the sake of discussion, this are the major points a hypothetical edit should take into account:

  1. Any trilogy is its own thing
    The Original Trilogy and the Prequels are really different, both visually and storywise (and yet, at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appears to be wonderfully tied). The sequels are just a copy-paste of the OT: their design are too similar the OT ones and, so much worse, the story it’s almost a rip off of the episodes IV to VI.
    What should be done: totally rethink and rework the movies, even mixing them, to make the best out of the shot and try to tell a new story.

  2. The rebels won the war
    They won. Period. We can’t accept to see that nothing changed. That the OT characters and their efforts lead to NOTHING at all. We can’t be satisfied with just a line in the TFA’s crawl saying that “the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire” to make us watch the same Empire Vs Rebellion story we already saw. I, personally, find depressing seeing the New Republic been destroyed in ten seconds, compared with the great ad “historically accurate” Palpatine’s rise to power we see in the prequels.
    What should be done: contextualize the First Order as the reorganised Imperial remnant, a second grade power in a galaxy changed since the OT.

  3. A historical setting
    The Galactic Empire is a sort of mashup between the Third Reich and the Roman Empire. Historically both of them (like almost every great political power) saw their old territories fractured after the fall: the end of a strong central power lead to a divided political setting. We should think at the after-ROTJ galaxy as the Europe of the VI century AD, with many little states in place of the Empire. The New Republic could be the biggest power, controlling the core system. The First Order could control a relatively big “piece of the cake” in the outer rim. And then we could have single indipendent planets, systems or sector (Mandalorian Space? Hutt Space? and so on…). The Jedi could have been evolved in a “super partes” organisation, not just tied the Republic but the entire galaxy.
    What should be done: Make Hosnian into Coruscant. Make it been bombed (but not destroyed) by Snoke’s ship as the first act of war. Make Leia be a representative for the Republic in a mission to seek help to other nation against the FO treat. Make Luke the Master of a new generation by imply that there are other Jedi out there or by shooting new scene with new Jedi.

  4. Legacy characters need to be respected
    Han and Leia are back to their OT selves. Luke is a depressed asshole. No way.
    What should be done: make Leia a Republic representative. Give Han some purpose, some background, whatever. Make Luke a believable evolution of his young self: he can be depressed for what happened with Kylo but he can’t be beat. And make is new generation of Jedi a reality. We already seen “the last Jedi in exile” (Ben and Yoda), let’s see something new.

  5. Inconsistencies with the depicting of the Force
    No one can use the Force without training. Nor even Anakin could.
    What should be done: trim, cut, mix the movies so that Rey can’t use the Force until she’s been trained by Luke. And, oh, make Luke actually be on Crait. The whole Jedi projection thing is a never-seen-before-bulls**t.

  6. Snoke
    Really? The character who brought back chaos in the galaxy is just a no one?
    What should be done: give him a background! Is he a former inquisitor? A secret apprentice? Palpatine’s pizza boy? Whatever. He could even be edited out and / or replaced with a new (old) character in order to explain why and how the “Empire” is back.

Now back to reality: I think is pointless to do any of this until Episode IX is out. And we even don’t know if the story of the ST’s character will be finished by there or there will be new movies (so other fan edit material) with them. But I see so many problems with these two movies that I had to speak out.
And I also know that some proposal are near to impossibile (shot new scenes? WTF!) But Adywan is doing it so, maybe, just maybe, are not so impossible.

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[Saving this post for when IX is released]

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You’re describing a fan film, not a fan edit. Good luck Mr. Lucas!

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Indeed, he put a “s” at the end of a verb conjugated in plural. Correct sentence is:

at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appear to be wonderfully tied

But I may agree more with the following one:

at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appear to be somehow tied

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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TV’s Frink said:

If you’re going to nitpick grammar, you shouldn’t say “somehow tied.” I suspect you mean “somewhat tied.” And if we’re going to go that far it really should be “somewhat tied together.”

Yes, sorry, I’m not a native speaker.
And yes, the trilogies could have been tied better but after TFA and TLJ came out, the prequels’ problems appear to me as insignificant, compared to the ones of the sequels.

Anyway, this list of things are just my two cents. I know that some ideas are very difficult to realise but still some of them could be of interest to some fan editor. Just not stop reading at my made-up-in-two-seconds nickname. 😛

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ray_afraid said:

For the record, I got no problem with the grammar of that statement, but with the meaning.

TV’s Frink said:

it really should be “somewhat tied together.”

It should be “weakly tied and mostly disconnected.”

I see you point. What I meant was that ROTS ends with the Empire established, Vader “born”, Obi-Wan in hiding, and so on. And we find the same situation at the opening of ANH: Luke and Leia are grown ups, Obi-Wan is older, but the setting is the same, that’s the natural evolution of the situation we saw at the end of ROTS.
And we should have seen something similar between the OT and the ST. Instead we discover that too much has happened between the movies and the situation at the beginning of TFA is the opposite of the one at the end of ROTJ.

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TV’s Frink said:

If you’re going to nitpick grammar, you shouldn’t say “somehow tied.” I suspect you mean “somewhat tied.” And if we’re going to go that far it really should be “somewhat tied together.”

After checking, it seems that both can be used in this context, but thanks anyway: somewhat/somehow are often misused by non-native english speakers such as myself, I’ll be sure to avoid the mistake from now on!

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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For “tied” you’re right: in this context “together” is needed.

(is there a grammar thread ?)

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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I actually think it would be possible to have Rey train with Luke before doing any of her stuff, but it would require a huge restructure of both TFA and TLJ

By the way, the more I think about it, the more I think it would make sense if TFA and TLJ were combined into 1 long movie.

There’s no timejump anyway.

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Any trilogy is its own thing
The Original Trilogy and the Prequels are really different, both visually and storywise (and yet, at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appears to be wonderfully tied). The sequels are just a copy-paste of the OT: their design are too similar the OT ones and, so much worse, the story it’s almost a rip off of the episodes IV to VI.
What should be done: totally rethink and rework the movies, even mixing them, to make the best out of the shot and try to tell a new story.

I don’t see much we can do about this, unfortunately. Of course we can remove the egrigious third Death Star, reducing Starkiller Base to just that: a base. Tbf, the Resistance doesn’t reuse any designs except the X-Wing and Mon Cal cruiser (supposedly they have A-wings, but I certainly didn’t see them). I would like to add cacti to Jakku and maybe water to make it more distinct from Tatooine.

The rebels won the war
They won. Period. We can’t accept to see that nothing changed. That the OT characters and their efforts lead to NOTHING at all. We can’t be satisfied with just a line in the TFA’s crawl saying that “the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire” to make us watch the same Empire Vs Rebellion story we already saw. I, personally, find depressing seeing the New Republic been destroyed in ten seconds, compared with the great ad “historically accurate” Palpatine’s rise to power we see in the prequels.
What should be done: contextualize the First Order as the reorganised Imperial remnant, a second grade power in a galaxy changed since the OT.

I really think it should’ve been a proxy war, either between the Republic and the Empire, or the populist and centrist parties of the Republic. The First Order and the Resistance should be on even ground. No more underdog stuff.

What should be done: Make Hosnian into Coruscant. Make it been bombed (but not destroyed) by Snoke’s ship a dreadnought as the first act of war. Make Leia be a representative for the Republic in a mission to seek help to other nation against the FO treat. Make Luke the Master of a new generation by imply that there are other Jedi out there or by shooting new scene with new Jedi.

FTFY

Legacy characters need to be respected
Han and Leia are back to their OT selves. Luke is a depressed asshole. No way.
What should be done: make Leia a Republic representative. Give Han some purpose, some background, whatever. Make Luke a believable evolution of his young self: he can be depressed for what happened with Kylo but he can’t be beat. And make is new generation of Jedi a reality. We already seen “the last Jedi in exile” (Ben and Yoda), let’s see something new.

I think Leia’s character progression would be fine if we saw it onscreen. She tried to warn the Senate that the First Order was a legitimate threat but they thought that was ludicrous and labelled her as a warmonger, hence having to resort to forming the Resistance. Han’s character can be fixed extremely easily by making him a Resistance general who does smuggling on the side, and was sent to find out what happened to Poe. If you remove the Rathtar scene like so many seem to, you could even make him a fulltime general with no smuggling. I don’t see any problem with what happened to Luke’s character, and while I do agree it sucks to be back to the “last Jedi” status quo, there’s not much we can do about it.

Inconsistencies with the depicting of the Force
No one can use the Force without training. Nor even Anakin could.

Luke had no problem lifting his lightsaber from the snow in ESB. I agree that performing a mind trick is on a whole other level, and thus should be cut, but that’s about it.

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