Info: The Matrix - with original theatrical color timing? — Page 2

For anyone interested,

I downloaded the Russian Matrix HDTV rip from RuTracker. It appears to be taken from the same scan as the original DVD. However, the sides have unfortunately been cropped from 2:35 to approximately 2:20; yet, the top and bottom have the matte opened, giving more picture information. AFAIK, the color timing is accurate to the theatrical release (no green); it relatively appears to match the color timing of the Oscar "For Your Consideration" VHS I required.

DIY Guide

Anyway, anyone interested in making a BD out of the HDTV can do it like I did (which I've tested and it's working successfully.) You just need to merge the MKVs, using whatever program you desire (to be honest: I've forgotten the specific program I used). Anyway, after that, you need to re-encode with Handbrake, "De-telecining" it on "Auto" mode and changing the size to 1920 x 1080. This will produce a BD-compliant 1080p MKV, which you should insert in TSMuxer.

However, the audio is still in Russian, isn't it? So, what you do is just rip the audio from the initial DVD and mux it with the video stream of the MKV-- making an English BD of the Matrix with original color timing and open matte picture. I may have put a delay on the audio; sorry, but I forgot specifically what it was. In any case, it works after some nitpicking, and you get to enjoy the brilliant theatrical audio from the original release.

Hope this helps anyone interested in this.

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What is the best audio to match with the 1080i HDTV version?

rockin said:

What is the best audio to match with the 1080i HDTV version?

The 5.1 audio from the original WB DVD looks. It's 384kbps if I remember correctly, so it seems the same at the laserdisc. Anyway, I'm sorry, but I can't remember if I put a delay on it or not, but it eventually works.

Moth3r said:

From Russia, would it be 1080i50?

Nope, it's 1080i60. So, IVTC'ing is all that's required.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

rockin said:

What is the best audio to match with the 1080i HDTV version?

The 5.1 audio from the original WB DVD looks. It's 384kbps if I remember correctly, so it seems the same at the laserdisc. Anyway, I'm sorry, but I can't remember if I put a delay on it or not, but it eventually works.

You know, I've always suspected it might be. When I heard the Dolby TrueHD track on the blu-ray and hd-dvd versions they seemed to lack any impact sounds when people were punching or kicking, it was also similar with some of the shoot out scenes on the roof. I compared them for ages, not really understanding why the original DVD track seemed louder and better to my ears - this is with all the right equipment to play HD audio properly as well!

A couple of scenes I really noticed the difference between the two tracks were:

When neo dodges bullets on the roof

When neo is doing kung fu with morpheus.

Ive still got the R1 DVD so can supply the audio.

Could not find the 1080i mkv on rutracker tho. Just a 720p version.

The DTS discs are the way to go 100% shame there is no SDDS 8 track 

I have these:

• Russian non-OAR open-matte 16:9 OCT* 1080i MPEG-2
• FLAC (via TrueHD) from worldwide Blu-ray
• Dolby Digital 5.1 from OCT 1999 R1 DVD

* original colo(u)r timing

I can mux them all together into something, but what I need first is a synchronization point.

Where does the first cut of the movie occur in the Blu-ray? For this Russian broadcast it is 00:01:35;28. It's an angle change from the police officer's front-left side to his back.

The HD DVD track is bit-identical to the Blu-ray track.

drngr said:

The HD DVD track is bit-identical to the Blu-ray track.

I don't even bother with either anymore. Both the fact the audio sounding less impressive and the increased contrast that makes the green stand out, always puts me off.

It would be cool if we could apply a script to the original DVD and do some kind of upscaling like with the GOUT to make it near HD.

Muxed Russian video with the old DVD track. All good. All you need to do is match one cut on both version, and adjust. 

drngr said:

I have these:

• Russian non-OAR open-matte 16:9 OCT* 1080i MPEG-2
• FLAC (via TrueHD) from worldwide Blu-ray
• Dolby Digital 5.1 from OCT 1999 R1 DVD

* original colo(u)r timing

So I'm planning to filter the horizontal aliasing, remove the 3:2 pulldown, add the end credits, and encode to AVC to make a MKV or BD with: 2007 lossless + 1999 AC3 384kbps + Rifftrax

Does anyone have another audio track I should use?

Also, unfortunately the Russian file has some glitches in addition to missing the credits. Is there another broadcast source anywhere?

Anyone know if the HD-DVD color timing is any better?

SilverWook said:

captainsolo said:

Many LD fans have said that the LD audio is superior in the way that most ac3 tracks are because of the lack of compression used. I can see that happening, but to my ears the DVD track is stellar even today and is at the LD bitrate of 384 kbp/s. What would really make this stand out is if we could somehow find the theatrical DTS discs. That would probably be stupefyingly intense...and the BDs only have remixed Dolby TrueHD.

Why would they remix it to begin with? This is becoming a irritating trend...

I presume the HD DVD's are remixes as well?

Strangely, I'm proud to say that I acquired the Matrix Trilogy DTS discs ...... maybe it was meant to be .........  :)

The HD DVD and Blu-ray of the first movie use identical VC-1 tracks. Only the third movie differs and only in two parts.

The color timing difference originated on the DVD re-release, not the HD release.

Some shots showing the framing/color differences and the matching print damage. Evidently they didn't bother to rescan it.

http://www.check2pic.ru/compare/29074/ (source labels are swapped, whoops)

drngr said:

The HD DVD and Blu-ray of the first movie use identical VC-1 tracks. Only the third movie differs and only in two parts.

The color timing difference originated on the DVD re-release, not the HD release.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/405/matrix_ct.html

This was an interesting read.