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The Matrix [spoRv] *BD-25 RELEASED* — Page 9

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Cinema DTS is not lossless.  It is encoded at a bitrate of 882 kbps, certainly below what lossless compression would allow for five channels of highly dynamic audio.

The only way to get that level of quality would be from the Dolby TrueHD on the Bluray release.  I'm not at all convinced that this is actually a remix anyway, and it may well be the theatrical mix, or a close derivation thereof.

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this is a work in progress and I can re-insert the parts needed (if I have to) from the Dolby TrueHD track as I have that one as well... will NOT attempt to do this until after I have gotten some feedback on how it sounds so far, because most (about 98% of the reconstructed score) is from lossless FLAC files that I had explained in one of my earlier posts concerning this score project for the spoRv version 2.0

although, thanx for pointing out that Cinema DTS is lossy, as for some reason this piece of information was unknown to me ;)

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I'm doing some catching up with my favorite thread and I'd like to like to put this one back in the spotline to say a HUGE THANK YOU to all involved in this fantastic project, specially Andrea and Jerryshadoe.

The specs for Version 2.0 audiophile edition are so teasing that I cannot wait to finally be able to watch it.

Regarding the video aspect, I second Doombot and others that I always like to have best version with the highest bitrate possible, so that there are no compromises to the original source (be it the BD video or something else).

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Hi, Andrea.  If you are still interested in little fixes for a potential 2.0 version I just wanted to bring one little anomaly to your attention, but you may already have it covered...

http://i59.tinypic.com/2n1c5jb.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/axed7s.jpg

Just noticed it as I hadn't seen this project until very recently... overall it's great stuff!  Far better looking than the green mess on the official BD.  Thank you for taking the time with another classic.

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Thanks to you for bringing another artifact... (**/)

The project will be fixed... sooner or later (probably later)!

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Just a little update on the Isolated Score track: I'm still working on it (about 90% complete) and it won't be finished until I am done with this preservation: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/New-Adventures-of-Winnie-the-Pooh-Preservation-Project/topic/16510/

According to Andrea, it's going to be a while before "version 2.0" is released so there is no rush, but I did want to let everyone know that I have not abandoned this project, but just put it on hold until the other one is finished.

And, for now, I am still "sitting on" the numerous other language tracks for the "audiophile edition" but they WILL be released once "version 2.0" is completed by Andrea.

Peace

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Great news, Jerry! And great job, of course, but you knew it...

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Jerry, FWIW, I ran into a hardware player compatibility issue with your theatrical 5.1 DTS track (strange audio artifacting on an Oppo BDP-93)--I think possibly because it's 24-bit, but just standard DTS (not DTS-MA).  Anyway, I was able to re-encode it as DTS-MA and that worked around the compatibility issue for me.  In case anyone else runs into this or you're planning to re-encode it for 2.0.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Well, assuming that Andrea ever decides to make a "version 2.0," I think we're still waiting for the 35mm footage to be available but not sure, then the original theatrical DTS, provided by JetrellFo/Doombot, will be encoded directly to a DTS-HDMA track. Also, the complete isolated score track will be available to that, as well as all the various dubs that I have mentioned in one of my previous posts. If Andrea chooses not to pursue this project anymore, than I might release a "version 1.0 - audiophile edition" which will contain Andrea's video from version 1.0 and all of the language/subtitle tracks that I found (all audio tracks are in perfect sync so I won't have to re-encode any of them)

Just to make this clear, I am NOT hijacking Andrea's project, merely helping with extra audio/subtitles and the complete isolated score track that I put together (well, it's not finished yet, about 90% done because my winnie the pooh project is taking up all of my time and computer resources ATM) The decision as to whether there will even be an "audiophile edition" I leave up to Andrea ;)

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Jerry, go for it! I'm so busy with the other projects that I don't know when (if) I'll release a 2.0 version, so you are welcome to release an audiophile version!

I'd like to see a proper BD-50 with menu if possible, but this is your choice.

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Jerryshadoe, could you PM me links to Polish subtitle and audio? I know at least one official sub is fucked up.

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Jerryshadoe, could you PM me links to Polish subtitle and audio? I know at least one official sub is fucked up.

Nie ma sprawy, wysle ci link za moment gdy sie upload skonczy.
Not a problem, I'll PM you a link in a moment when I'm finished uploading ;)

@ Andrea - I understand. I'll release an "audiophile edition" once I'm done with my other project. On side note, can't wait for the 35mm edition to be released as I've seen some of the screenshots/samples over on AMPS and "WOW!" is all I can say...

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Feallan said:

Tego sie nie spodziewalem. o.O

 Maly swiat. Sluchaj, wsadzam to na MEGA i za 20 minut bedzie gotowe, ale ja mieszkam w stanach, jest pozno i musze sie na moment zdrzemnac bo cala noc siedzialem pracujac nad moim projektem Nowych Przygod Kubusia Puchatka, wiec wysle ci link za jakies 6 godzin ;)

Ok, don't want people to feel left out so I'll stop with the other languages, LOL

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Sure, thanks. :) I know that there are at least two Polish voiceovers, one by Gudowski and one by Szydlowski. I think I prefer the first one, but the translation is very similar in both of them.

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Feallan said:

Sure, thanks. :) I know that there are at least two Polish voiceovers, one by Gudowski and one by Szydlowski. I think I prefer the first one, but the translation is very similar in both of them.

 If you prefer the first one, then I'm sorry to inform you that it's the voiceover by Szydlowski. I just sent you a PM with the link that includes two different sets of subtitles, enjoy;)

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Recently I worked on Supernova, using two different HDTV broadcasting as sources, merged them, and finally put a grain plate over the mix; result is very good in comparison to any of them.

So, I'm thinking about the possibility to do the same with The Matrix; using two HDTV files, merge them and put a grain plate to try to cancel compression artifacts; the fact is, the HDTV is 1.78:1 and not 2.35:1...

Is it a good idea?

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I think it looks great, Andrea.  And I think the film looks better in open matte anyway.  I say this is a winner out of the gate.

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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I had two choices: give up, and leave The Matrix [spoRv] "as is", with its own glitches - and I must admit I'm quite happy with it, but not entirely of course - or use the open matte HDTV versions; in this case, result will be 100% perfect, color wise, but without the original intended aspect ratio...

A dilemma that *maybe* now have a solution... I managed to do an alternate color matching script, but that's not perfect as the original one...

After many months of testing and working on color regrading, I realized (maybe wrongly, who knows?), that sometimes it's not so important to make a color grading that is 100% the same of another source, but that the most important thing is to retain the "spirit" of that color grading...

That is not an excuse, as I'm still able (with a LOT of work) to produce an almost 100% identical color grading in almost all scenes of a movie (e.g. Halloween), but with some movie, the task is so time consuming that I was ready to throw the towel - The Matrix is the thoughest movie in this context...

The new attempt *seems* to be quite good; no artefacts at all - at least, not visible in the first test clip I made - and, while not perfectly the same of the DVD, it retains the "spirit" of it, with a better quality... it seems that the DVD has a pink blanket that I was not aware of before.

Well, a picture worth thousand words, so here you are some screenshot comparisons:

as you can see, there is a "compromise" where previously in the old CM there where artefacts, but I think it's still better to have some shots near, color grading speaking, the BD instead of bad artefacts with 100% right color grading...

test clip - each 255MB, no sound:

Original BD

New CM

Please take some time to do your own comparison and let me know what do you think... I'm also open to do two versions, an open matte 100% color grading similar to DVD but with wrong aspect ratio, AND a, let's say 90% color grading similar to DVD but with right aspect ratio...

Or, I could make a mix, using the new CM where I previously used the upscaled DVD, but I fear there will be too much difference in color grading between the shots...

Thanks in advance for your feedbacks!

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Test clip looks great Andrea, definitely retains the "spirit" of the color.

The last set of pictures with the agent standing there, there is still something strange going on to the left windows of the building and right bottom jacket of the agent?  If only we had the 35mm right now to replace shots like this or even the frames with clipped whites.

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Well, until the 35mm of the movie will be ready, we are forced to use what we have...

In the clip, it seems there are no arterfacts, while you spotted one in the screenshots; in the first [spoRv] version, I had to replace almost 10% of the movie with upscaled DVD; if, using the new version, luckily, I should replace only 1 or 2%, it will be a great goal, and it will still be possible to replace those few shots with cropped version of the HDTV, retaining HD quality while loosing some details at the sides, a minor problem IMHO...

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The test clip looks pretty nice, but on the screenshots I noticed a couple of things. In the third shot, on the DVD you can actually see the background through the blueish blast, where as on the BD and the new CM the whites are completely blown out there and you can see nothing through that blast. In the last shot of the agent, you can actually see the agents face on the DVD, where as on the BD and the newCM his face is completely white and seems to disappear in the background white of the sky. Also, in that shot there are major artifacts that you can notice in the buildings to the left of the agent in the bottom of screen.

until the 35mm footage is available, I think the open-matte version, with the proper color-grading, even though wrong AR, would be a wonderful addition to the collection. I actually like the open-matte version better, not saying that the theatrical AR is wrong or looks bad, but I like being able to see all that extra image there. This is just my opinion though;)

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Jerry, your opinion matters!

At the end, I'm happy to have achieved better results this time, but I do agree there are still something not possible to reach with this script... if it will be perfect, now I was rich and famous! (^^,)

Well, I think I'll go for the open matte version first, then I'll see IF, eventually, do a proper AR version... at least, I guess the cmnew will be useful for other, future regrading projects.

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