The Matrix [spoRv] *BD-25 RELEASED* — Page 8

Wow, nice work!

Really liking the upscaling results.

There are filters for filling extending/filling in borders but they only work well on still images from what I've seen. You end up seeing distracting distortion in motion.

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in to firstly say thank you for everyone who contributed to the release currently available. Watched it last night with the cinema DTS audio, and can honestly say I haven't enjoyed the film this much since I saw it in the theater in 1999. Looking forward to version 2.0!

Further regarding version 2.0, I have a couple of questions regarding audio (yes I'm an audiophile :P):

- In what format will the Jerry Shadoe re-worked Workprint and Cinema audio be included? Obviously I would prefer PCM or lossless encoded. FLAC is a good codec but most AV receivers don't support it (well mine doesn't at least) so that limits the playback options imho.

- Same question for the isolated score audio :)

- Can version 2.0 include the English TrueHD audo track from the BD release?

Keep up the good work!

Paul

PaulS-DOA-85 said:

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in to firstly say thank you for everyone who contributed to the release currently available. Watched it last night with the cinema DTS audio, and can honestly say I haven't enjoyed the film this much since I saw it in the theater in 1999. Looking forward to version 2.0!

Further regarding version 2.0, I have a couple of questions regarding audio (yes I'm an audiophile :P):

- In what format will the Jerry Shadoe re-worked Workprint and Cinema audio be included? Obviously I would prefer PCM or lossless encoded. FLAC is a good codec but most AV receivers don't support it (well mine doesn't at least) so that limits the playback options imho.

- Same question for the isolated score audio :)

- Can version 2.0 include the English TrueHD audo track from the BD release?

Keep up the good work!

Paul

 Not to speak for Andrea, but we are all glad that you enjoyed version 1.0 ;)

Now, as far as the audio questions (since I'm working on that aspect of version 2.0) I have certain answers.

The "official" version 2.0 will be released on BD-25 (excerpt from a PM from Andrea: "As BD-50 are really expensive in comparison to BD-25, and there could be a small "hiccup" when laser pass from a layer to the other, I'd prefer to release my project only on BD-25...") So with this being the case, in order to make sure that video bitrate does not have to suffer, certain audio tracks must be omitted due to size of a BD-25. Version 2.0 will contain a Re-mastered (I'm working on certain clipping issues on that, especially in second half of movie on the center channel, but trying to do minimal filtering as to maintain fidelity and not incur any degradation of sound) Cinema DTS track, ac3 tracks for English, German, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, first English Commentary track, the WORKPRINT audio track, and the isolated score track (which I am working on, need a little bit of extra HDD space due to undo feature on programs I'm using and should have a new 2TB HDD in the mail tomorrow)

Now that being said, I was also told by Andrea in a PM "...then, if someone like you want to add his own preferred sountracks, just demux the .m2ts file... ...discard the unwanted soundtracks, remux video with whatever preferred soundtracks (and subtitles)..." AND I will be doing just that where I will make a BD-50 version which I will nickname "Version 2.1" (name may be adjusted later, not sure yet)

This "Version 2.1" will contain numerous audio tracks and subtitle tracks that I have been hunting down on the internet. Some I found on Russian torrent sites, some were on usenet (thanx2MadPsycho[not user here on OT] for the premium access for last week), and somewhere on Polish and Turkish file-sharing forums.
Anyway, here's a compiled list of the audio tracks I will include:

English DTS Cinema remastered track PCM 5.1 4608kpbs 48KHz
English DTS Cinema remastered track DTS 5.1 1510kbps 48KHz
English TrueHD 5.1 3345kbps 48KHz
English AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
French AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Italian AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Spanish AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
Portuguese AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English Commentary Track 1 AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English Commentary Track 2 AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English Commentary Track 3 AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English Commentary Track 4 AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English Commentary Track 5 AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
English remastered WORKPRINT audio PCM 2.0 1536kbps 48KHz
Isolated Score Track PCM 2.0 1536kbps 48KHz
Chinese Mandarin AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
German DTS(custom) 5.1 768kbps 48KHz
German AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Hindi AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Czech AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
Hungarian AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Polish AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHZ
Thai AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Turkish AC3 2.0 192kbps 48KHz
Russian DUB ?????? AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz
Russian DUB ?????? AAC 2.0 165kbps 48KHz
Russian MVO ???????????? ?????????? AAC 2.0 165kbps 48KHz
Russian DVO ??????????? ??????????, ?. ????? ? ?. ???????? AAC 2.0 165kbps 48KHZ
Japanese AC3 5.1 640kbps 48KHz (this one I'm still in the process of downloading the torrent and it's going to be a few more days before I have this one, unless Andrea still has it and could save me the hassle, either way I'll have it)

So that's a total of 15 languages (will be the most complete "International" edition ever made) with a total of 29 audio tracks AND subtitles for the following:

English
English SDH
French
Italian
Spanish
Portoguese(Portugal)
Portuguese(Brazilian)
Dutch
Japanese
German
Russian
Chinese
Arabic
Indonesian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Czech
Polish
Estonian
Hebrew
Hungarian
Icelandic
Romanian
Serbain
Slovenian
Thai
Turkish
Latvian
Danish
Finnish
Greek
Norwegian
Slovak
Swedish
English for commentary track 1
French for commentary track 1
Italian for commentary track 1
Spanish for commentary track 1
Portoguese(Portugal) for commentary track 1
Dutch for commentary track 1
Czech for commentary track 1
Hungarian for commentary track 1
Turkish for commentary track 1
Chinese for commentary track 1
Chinese for commentary track 2
Chinese for commentary track 3
Chinese for commentary track 4
Chinese for commentary track 5 (not sure on this one, will have to verify since there is almost nothing said in track 5 since its mostly a score track)

This makes for a total of 48 subtitle tracks in 32 languages.

If anyone has audio/subtitle tracks in a language that isn't listed please let me know, as I really would like to make this an "International" edition where as many people as possible can experience this awesome movie the way it looked in the theaters (or as close as we can get, LOL)

Any input is welcome from anyone :)

Peace, Jerry Shadoe

I'm no audio expert but what if you do a lossless DTS-HD track instead of both a PCM track and a DTS track? The PCM track would take up much more room than a DTS track I would think, and anyone who wanted a smaller DTS track could just get the core out from the DTS-HD track. Just food for thought since I'm pretty sure some on this forum have the ability to encode into DTS-HD rather than just PCM.

@StarThoughts: there are no differences other than delivery method (with the DTS track encoded from the PCM using SurCode DVD-DTS) The isolated score track was NOT on the bluray, per se, because most of the English audio commentary track 5 is an isolated score track in ac3 192kbps. a little bit of talking here and there but very little. I found a FLAC copy of nearly complete score on a Chinese forum (verified to be real CDDA lossless audio) and I have a FLAC copy of the OST as well. Then I looked up the artist and track name for the songs (like what's on neo's headphones at beginning of movie; for example) that are NOT on the OST and have found FLAC copies of those. Now it's a matter of syncing up all the separate tracks into one audio track, where I'm using the English audio commentary track 5 (which specifically focuses on the isolated score) as a reference. In doing it this way, I am able to reconstruct a lossless copy of the score which I will leave in PCM for the release. (Depending on how much of a pain it is, I might even up-convert it to a 5.1 [and end up with two isolated score tracks with a 5.1 and a 2.0], but this will depend entirely on the results, otherwise I'll just stick with the 2.0)

@The Aluminum Falcon: the program I use does not have the capability to encode lossless DTS-HD, only lossy DTS, however I'm sure that you are right about someone having the ability on this forum. That being said, I understand your suggestion and even though it might take up more room (it will fit on BD-50 either way) if a PCM and DTS tracks are both already on the release then no one has to go through the trouble of extracting anything out of the DTS-HD audio. In other words, all (technically) possible combinations of audio will already be available directly on the release. Then again, if there is someone on here that has the ability (software-wise) and would be willing to help with the encode (or with access to the proper software) then I might go that route instead. This is all a work in progress where doing the audio properly and as completely as possible (as far as availability of numerous languages) is a little bit of a process.

I can provide the DTS-HD Master, as i had done that before but Andrea wanted the PCM instead, and made a DTS track from it.

So shoot me over the remastered PCM and i'll take care of this.

DoomBot said:

I can provide the DTS-HD Master, as i had done that before but Andrea wanted the PCM instead, and made a DTS track from it.

So shoot me over the remastered PCM and i'll take care of this.

 Thanx for the offer, however thanx to a friend of mine in the Czech Republic, I now have a copy of DTS-HD Master Audio Suite Encoder v 2.6 and will be able to do the encode myself.

On side note, it really looks like things are slowly coming together on the audio side of this. I will be posting more updates as I move things along, probably more so after Christmas (I have a 4 and 2 year old daughter so I wont have as much time next few days)

Can't wait to see what progress Andrea ends up making on improving the video for version 2.0

This is a wonderful project that I'm happy to be a part of because the first Matrix movie was awesome and should be preserved the way it looked originally.

@Andrea, I would rather have a bigger file size instead of everything smashed on to 1 BD 25 but that's just me. I don't use BDs to watch movies, i put them all on hard drives. We could have most the audio options as a separate download and save room for the video bitrate. Then people can mux what they want in and burn a bd. I guarantee i'll be remuxing my copy to the way i want it anyways as i do with every single movie i get.

@jerryshadoe,  great news i'm glad you have a copy of the software, as you should with the things you do with audio. This will save alot of time anyways.

I see what your saying, i still back the movies up on BDs in case the drive fails. If it's a BD 50 or anything bigger then 23gb i use winrar then.

All my friends use hard drives as well and watch movies with openelec xbmc like my self.

Burn to a laserdisc , talk about eating up space.

Hope everyone had a good Christmas :)

Now, with that out of the way, I have a couple of updates.

So the Cinema track is nearly done, short of a couple of tweaks and then encoding into DTS-HD MA - this should be completed within the next 24-36 hours depending on how much my kids distract me

Next, the Score track... f*ck, this one has been a little bit of a b*tch because the timing on the Score cds in reference to the actual movie doesn't always line up unless I change the speed of the track (without adjusting the pitch) but the changes is what puzzles me. on certain tracks (like the initial 50-second intro) the timing conversion I have to do is like when you adjust from NTSC to PAL (in other words I had to do a PAL speed up to adjust the timing to match the NTSC soundtrack) but in the very next track I had to do a PAL to NTSC timing conversion which makes no sense either. And some tracks require no adjustment at all. It is slowly coming together ( have about 30% done right now) but it will take me a little while longer to finish it so that everything syncs up perfectly and that the volume changes remain the same as in the movie where for most part I am using the Audio Commentary Track 5 as a reference for this. Once completed, I will include a 2.0 PCM, as well as a 5.1 upmix (in DTS-HD MA)

I have also found an additional audio track: Ukrainian ac3 2.0 256kbps 48KHz

And subtitles for 12 more languages:

*Albanian
*Bengali
*Bosnian
*Catalan
*Farsi
*Hawaiian
*Kurdish
*Lithuanian
*Macedonian
*Malay
*Sinhalese
*Vietnamese

From my estimates, it looks like all of the audio tracks included in the "Version 2.0 - International Edition" are going to take up around 23-25GB(!) but with audio in 16 languages and subtitles in 44 languages I suspect that this will be the most "complete" (language-wise) edition ever released :)

Peace, Jerry

StarThoughts said:

jerryshadoe said:

@StarThoughts: there are no differences other than delivery method (with the DTS track encoded from the PCM using SurCode DVD-DTS) The isolated score track was NOT on the bluray, per se, because most of the English audio commentary track 5 is an isolated score track in ac3 192kbps. a little bit of talking here and there but very little. I found a FLAC copy of nearly complete score on a Chinese forum (verified to be real CDDA lossless audio) and I have a FLAC copy of the OST as well. Then I looked up the artist and track name for the songs (like what's on neo's headphones at beginning of movie; for example) that are NOT on the OST and have found FLAC copies of those. Now it's a matter of syncing up all the separate tracks into one audio track, where I'm using the English audio commentary track 5 (which specifically focuses on the isolated score) as a reference. In doing it this way, I am able to reconstruct a lossless copy of the score which I will leave in PCM for the release. (Depending on how much of a pain it is, I might even up-convert it to a 5.1 [and end up with two isolated score tracks with a 5.1 and a 2.0], but this will depend entirely on the results, otherwise I'll just stick with the 2.0)

 Ah! I thought that the isolated score was just going to be the track from the original DVD release, but you're talking about assembling a new track from scratch for better sound quality! I heartily approve! If you do make an upconversion, I would hope you would include the original stereo version as well.

It sounds like your primary source for the score is the 2 CD promo of the score that was leaked in the early aughts, which I was lucky enough to snag a copy of this when I went looking for something with better sound quality than the compressed DVD AC-3 track. It has the advantage of not having Don Davis talking over the heads and tails of cues (and sometimes over them — as interesting as some of his comments are, they are intrusive if one is trying to listen to the music), and cues play out in full without the album edits.

Most of the songs can be slipped in with some edits made, but there are a few moments where the film has song remixes that don't appear on the album or the promo. The ones that spring to mind are “Clubbed To Death” and “Leave You Far Behind.” In those cases, you may be limited to the isolated score track. 

I feel Don Davis' scores for Matrix trilogy to be outstanding and unique. I was somewhat surprised for a while that more scores didn't start sounding like the Matrix trilogy. I guess I shouldn't have been, as one of the reasons why these scores work so well for their films is because, in the tradition of the best science-fiction scores, they have a very specific sound that relates to the subject matter.

 First of all, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2014!!!

I'm very excited right now and am posting some updates on my progress with the audio. So, thanx to DoomBot (thank you again for the lossless Cinema Track - it made a HUGE difference) I was able to look at the clipping issues I had noticed in Andrea's lossy Cinema DTS track and to my surprise (and joy) the issue was almost non-existent in the lossless track. In comparison, the lossy DTS track that Andrea had in version 1.0 had a total of over 30 thousand (!) clipping issues in just channel 01 of the 06 channels of audio; whereas, on the other hand, the total amount of clipping issues in the lossless track was around 130, most of which (around 90) was in channel 03 (center) in the louder action sequences in the last third of the movie. Seeing as this was the case, I cut out ONLY the parts that needed a little correction (where I used the Digital Wavefile De-clipper{which is a very light filter that doesn't degrade the sound IMHO} in Diamond Cut DC Forensics8 Audio Laboratory) and then re-inserted them back into the rest of the un-touched audio. The total amount of corrections in actual real-time was 6.822 seconds of audio that needed to be edited. Then, because the audio had a volume level that was almost at max before clipping starts, I lowered the overall amplification of all channels (except channel 04, the LFE) by a factor of -2.7dB. This will prevent any kind of clipping in the DTS core of the DTS-HD MA track that I have encoded using DTS-HD Master Audio Suite 2.6. I ripped Andrea's spoRv version with meGUI into a 1.97GB (for video at 2000kbps) mkv for easy referencing (and fast muxing) using the ultrafast setting (didn't care about video quality, was just for referencing)... anyway... the Cinema DTS-HD MA track sounds incredible (I'm kind of an audiophile and have the right equipment to enjoy good sound)... very much so looking forward to including this in version 2.0.

Now, the reason I'm really excited right now, is because I just finished watching the Matrix (using above mentioned reference file) muxed with the PCM 2.0 score track that I put together. WOW! Not at my work, but at the score. Again, WOW!!! It's amazing how much you don't realize what affect the music has on the atmosphere of a movie until you watch a movie with ONLY the music. There were things I haven't noticed before in the facial expressions of the characters (particularly Agent Smith and some of the expression in Cypher's face that make it more obvious how much of a snake he is) as well as other little things I noticed about how fake the fight scene in the subway station actually is. Amazing how sound effects can trick you into believing somthing is more than it appears to be. Anyway, for the most part, I have to say that the result is flawless. Indeed, StarThoughts was correct that certain last-minute edits were done with the audio. In fact, it seems like StarThoughts knows a lot about the score. Thanks for pointing out the places I might have issues (as you were right) I payed more attention to these moments because someone pointed out that I should ;) Most of it, like I said, came out flawless... most of it, LOL... Honestly, this is the first time ever that I have taken on such a task. I have been editing sound for a long time, but editing sound and mixing sound are not completely the same thing so this was an experiment for me. I am a stubborn person and I wanted to learn something new and get this done. There are only two (!) places in the whole score that I have to correct. First is the transition between Dragula and the next track (where for about 1.5 second there is an out-of sync issue where there is a slight echo-will explain more why further down- and then everything else is fine. And then about 40 minutes into the movie there is an instance where I cross-faded between two instrumental tracks incorrectly (the first one ends abruptly and I should have done a full fade-out of it instead of a cross-fade out) and it's obvious that those are two separate tracks. Both of these should be easy to correct because I know exactly what I'm looking for and how to correct it.

When it comes to HOW I put this together... ah, this was tricky. The final track is actually 99% CDDA quality (as I have verified with audiochecker and spek) and will be posting the proof files for this once I have the final touches completed on the audio. The 5.1 upmix also sounds great where I'm using the steve thompson plugin in audacity but will have to re-do once the stereo master is complete. planning on encoding the 5.1 mix into a DTS-HD MA/core track. Anyway, to put this together I used the following: lossless score (from the 2cd promo FLAC don davis score) lossless OST (also from FLAC) lossless copies of tracks missing from OST (also in FLAC, one in APE) lossless Cinema track, lossy English Commentary track 5 (the ac3 file at 192kbps)
Now, the songs that were used in certain parts of the movie weren't necessarily the same as the track themselves, in the fact that they were specifically remixed in studio for this movie from the original tracks. This proved to be tricky here and there but the I realized that I can play a couple of tricks on the audio by layering (at precisely the same moment down to 1ms) multiple sources once I had the volume leveled at the same for all. By doing this I was able to seamlessly blend between sources (sometimes using 2 for a couple seconds at a time before fading one out) and re-construct as much lossless audio as possible. So in certain music tracks, it blends between lossless flac file, lossless Cinema audio (where I use only channel 01 and 02 L+R) where I cut out any sound effects that were layered onto that, and lossy English Commentary track 5 (which I had cleaned up a little in Diamond Cut DC forensic8). Now, with them all at the same volume level, I was able to cross-fade between the two or three when needed to reconstruct the entire song mix. Not to pat myself on the back, but the result is actually pretty decent. I have an extremely trained ear and only on rare occasion could I notice the difference in fidelity for a split second. but it's so quick that you almost dont notice. I will let you guys judge once I have it officially complete. Like I said, very excited.

@StarThoughts: if you would be interested in previewing the score track once its finished that would be cool.

Also, now I have all the audio/subtitle tracks (except the score that I'm still working on) muxed into one mkv file to see the actual size and (including the score tracks because I have their sizes already) it takes up almost 22GB. The korean subtitles are corrupted so I had to toss those and it looks like the bengali subs might have to be edited for timecode (looks like they are at 25fps, but will check later) So the "International Edition" of version 2.0 looks promising. Think this is long enough of a rant LOL :)

Peace, Jerry

Sorry that I haven't posted on here sooner but I have been really busy these last few days (my wife and daughters had all caught a nasty stomach virus and I was the only one not sick and had to help take care of them all)
Anyway, they are better now and I had some time to resume this project.
Thanx for the warm welcome Andrea ;) Would love to come to Italy again, if I could only afford it (LOL)
Looking forward to your results with the video... wondering if you are waiting for the 35mm project on AMPS to finish first, (to use as a reference for color-not sure if you've seen the sample screens there, but the overall tone is a lot warmer)
anyway, just curious... either way, even with the artifacts in version 1.0, your restoration of the color timing produced some remarkable results. if you ever need any feedback on your "in-progress" results always welcome to be a help for you.
if you are interested in hearing the score track, i sent you a pm with link. (more info in PM)

ok, as far as the work on that score track. I re-watched the entire thing with a notepad and pencil in hand to write down all the timecodes of places I needed to address. Just to be thorough, I made sure it was the ENTIRE movie. This was must first such project and it's funny to see how I learned (pretty quickly) how to put this together with this track because there were some mistakes in the first hour of the movie and after that everything was fine. I had to fix a transition from one track to another at ~32:30 and again (extending ending of one to match with beginning of next) at ~35:40. Once again, I had to re-align a couple tracks transition at 57:13 (the transition from lady in red dress to agent smith) where the volume was inconsistent between tracks making the transition obvious (this had now been fixed) after this, there aren't really any other places that needed to be addressed. I even made sure by listening to audio commentary track 5 in left channel while my score track plays from right channel to see if the line up this way as well (sometimes comparing just the waveform is not sufficient enough) sounded good...
now had to go back to the trickiest one. all of these edits (once I re-watched the movie) took me about 45 minutes and only a single-pass edit/mix/re-render session BUT this last one took me 4 (YES, a total of four) night session, each about 3 hours long once everybody was sleeping before I took a nap. The transition, from dragula to next track by prodigy was a pain in the a**. it's at ~10:20 and I went through it with about 19 different edits before the 20th one finally sounded as good as it's going to get. ( I had listened to all 20 version to make sure and honestly got tired of that part of the soundtrack) the huge problem here was that the dragula track is lossless off the OST and was easy to mix in pretty straight forward, whereas the prodigy track was such a mix that it was almost impossible to mix without it sounding funky. there were just certain parts that were missing and flashing between lossless and lossy on this track was just obvious as hell and sounded like complete crap. It was extremely frustrating. I then looked at channel 01+02 of the cinema DTS track and there is ambience noise mixed with the music which makes the track useless even though it lossless. again, seemed like a dead end. Finally I opted to use a combination of the lossy (OH, NO, I know LOL) track from commentary track, with partial blend at 2/3 volume of what I could put together from the lossless flac and cinema dts channels that I cleaned up for ambient noise in Diamond Cut DC Forensics8. Once put together, it's still noticeable that there's a transition in fidelity from completely lossless dragula to next track but it's not as noticeable and again, it's as good as it's gonna get.

@star thoughts: thanx for the offer, I have also sent you a pm with link.

Peace:)