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The Matrix Reloaded - T-HOPE Extended Edition (* unfinished project *)

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This will be most likely my next project after I have worked on my Terminator 3 T-HOPE Edition NTSC version.

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<span class=“Italics”>The path of the One is made by the many.</span>

This will only be an extended edition, nothing more. I know this won’t have many fans, because many people think that Matrix Reloaded was already too “stretched out.” Also, the added scenes will not focuss on Neo, Trinity or Morpheus, but on the Enter The Matrix characters Ghost and Niobe. Still there’s some background information that helps understanding the plot.

What will be added? Scenes from:

  • Animatrix - Final Flight of the Osiris
  • Enter the Matrix

Some of the Enter The Matrix scenes will be switched to a later point in the movie, because some parts are lame to put in too early. Another thing is the Oracle. The original actress died after filming Matrix Reloaded, but before filming Enter the Matrix. So I have to switch those Oracle scenes to a later point in Reloaded, because otherwise she would have to have her original shell storywise. Same things happen for scenes in Enter The Matrix. For example, there’s a scene in Reloaded in which is told that the machines have 9 hours:
ZION WOMAN: An hour, maybe.
LOCK: That’d give them a little over 9 hours.
ZION WOMAN: Yes sir.

In Enter the Matrix, a moment later it’s less hours.
LIEUTENANT: Latest projections from Seismic.
LOCK: How long?
LIEUTENANT: Less than three hours.

In order to make this fit, I have to switch some scenes from Enter The Matrix to a later point in Reloaded, instead of the timing of the scenes in Enter The Matrix.

I’d like to hear your suggestions and ideas on this possible future fanedit…

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that sounds awesome... i already asked Spence101287 to get the ball rolling on this which you could read in my "matrix reloaded extended version?" http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5924&highlight_key=y&keyword1=matrix

maybe you and him can get together on this...
either way, i hope you do this...i would absolutely love a copy of this
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I've been wanting this, too -- I had been thinking of doing an edit like this myself at one point. All the best with it!

Take care,
Sojourn

P.S. Why "T-HOPE"?
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Originally posted by: ruesnarn
that sounds awesome... i already asked Spence101287 to get the ball rolling on this which you could read in my "matrix reloaded extended version?" http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5924&highlight_key=y&keyword1=matrix

maybe you and him can get together on this...
either way, i hope you do this...i would absolutely love a copy of this
thanks
No, I'm going to do this one alone. I have already placed the scenes in the script so that I have an idea where to put them, plus some changing around of the ETM scenes so that they appear in another order than they happen in the game, because there are some problems with the changing of the Oracle's look, etc. Anyway, I think this will become a very interesting cut. I'm not planning to use all the ETM scenes, because the story still has to make sense, and with all the similar scenes (Persephone has 3 scenes that are all the same, kissing Neo/Ghost/Niobe; Morpheus and Niobe enter Zion with their ships in a similar way), it will become quickly boring.


Originally posted by: Sojourn

P.S. Why "T-HOPE"?

T-HOPE is my faneditor's alias. So it's more like "T-HOPE's extended edtion", but since I don't like the 's part, I just called it T-HOPE Extended Edition.

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look forward to seeing this t-hope, if its anywhere as good as your awesome terminator edit, ill be very pleased indeed!
I'm always looking to trade my edits, if you don't want to get them from a torrent. PM or e-mail!
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just some helpful advice:
there is a complete script at http://mitglied.lycos.de/tonymnyphot/forum/m2_etme.htm. I actually took the time to re-edit the script deleting scenes that would not make sense without the game. If you want that, please let me know and i will send it to you. this site was kind enough to put the film, game and short anime in the proper order. keep in mind though the author of this site takes into account that you have the action sequences from the video game, which would either be impossible to get, or at least wouldnt look right.

Ive spent alot of time thinking about this edit, and watching the scenes from the box set since Ive been hoping someone would do this ever since I played ETM.
At first I wanted every scene, as much as I could get included, even if it didnt make any sense, but then I realized that that wouldnt make it a complete movie, it would make it a choppy mess, so I agree that the only scenes that should be used are the ones that make sense within the confines of the film.
However, I realzied with the proper editing, some scenes can make sense if you take them out of sequence and place them in different points in the movie and edit them and combine them with scenes from the film so that the unseen action could take place during those moments.
But don't be afraid to use the scenes like Niobe and Morpheus entering Zion. They are not completely similiar. It will not be that boring, it will be a complete extended version, and afterall, isnt that the point of making this. Also, on the scenes that are repeated between ghost and niobe, i found the scenes with niobe were more meaningful...both the kiss, and the oracle meeting...what we find out from ghost just isnt that earth shattering.

this is all just my opinion...im nobody special, but like ive said, ive spent a couple years thinking about how this should be put together and I would have done it a while ago, had i the technically ability. saying that...if you just ignore me, i will not take offense. otherwise, good luck, and im asking in advance to please send me a copy
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Originally posted by: ruesnarn
just some helpful advice:
However, I realzied with the proper editing, some scenes can make sense if you take them out of sequence and place them in different points in the movie and edit them and combine them with scenes from the film so that the unseen action could take place during those moments.
But don't be afraid to use the scenes like Niobe and Morpheus entering Zion. They are not completely similiar. It will not be that boring, it will be a complete extended version, and afterall, isnt that the point of making this. Also, on the scenes that are repeated between ghost and niobe, i found the scenes with niobe were more meaningful...both the kiss, and the oracle meeting...what we find out from ghost just isnt that earth shattering.

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- Jason

What I meant with script is that I took the Matrix Reloaded transscript and placed the parts of the ETM script in it, so it would fit. Some scenes appear later in the movie, then they actually took place. Like the thing with saving Alex. In ETM, it is shown how Ghost and Niobe bring him to a phone and they disappear. The trainman appears to tell Niobe about 72 hours. What I thought about doing, is using this footage just before Neo meets the Architect, and cutting Alex from that little ETM scene. I don't want to give away the surprise of more versions of the matrix in the beginning, so I moved it to the end of the movie. That kind of stuff. Also the footage of Persephone is saying the same thing three times to different characters. The subplot of the Keymaker and Cain/Able stealing the key is also gone, because it would not make much sense to the viewer.

I'm still trying to figure out how to use the footage of Ghost and Niobe meeting the Oracle at the end of Matrix Reloaded T-HOPE ext. ed. Both conversations are interesting because they give some plotpoints. About how the Oracle's appearance change, etc.

I also like to include Ghost's conversation with Trinity, because it shows Ghost is more of a religious person:
Trinity: Ghost, can I ask you a serious question?
Ghost : Of course.
Trinity: Do you believe that Neo is going to end the war?
Ghost : Yes, I do.
Trinity: So do I... but I can't explain how or why.
Ghost : Kierkegaard reminds us that belief has nothing to do with how or
why. Belief is beyond reason. I believe because it is absurd.
Trinity: You think it's crazy to believe it?
Ghost : To believe what? That a single man can defeat an entire race of
machines and end a war that has endured for over a hundred years?
Of course. It's complete lunacy and that's why we must believe it
will happen. Faith, by its very nature, must transcend logic.
I love this conversation, yet I still have not seen a way of how to include it. It shows some great motivation of why people can even believe in Neo, and that he will defeat an entire army.

I first thought of putting it before Morpheus's speech to the people, when the gang has just returned to Zion, because Trinity visits Ghost. However, including that scene would give people perhaps the idea that Trinity was cheating with him, because it's not clear that they were having a fight in a simulator, because there is no footage of it. So I thought of the two of them just sitting together, having this conversation, and then while they are talking, you get to see Neo with all the people surrounding him after he steppe dout of the elevator. But it's impossible this way, there's not enough footage to do that. If you have an idea how to include this nice conversation in the movie, give me a hint. It's just an audio file, so I believe it will become a voice-over somehow...

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as far as merging the scripts for ETM and reloaded to make them make sense. I have a copy that I did as well if you would like it. Here are some possible suggestions that I used for the things you wanted to do.
1. to include the conversation voice-over ghost has with trinity...you could start the voiceover after the rave/sex scene, right after morpheus says good night Zion, sweet dreams, and segway this talk into the scene of them sitting together and having trinity thanking ghost for the talk...
2. to have the oracle talk to niobe (again it cant be both niobe and ghost and i feel niobe's talk is more important) you cuold put this after t he scene where they realize the emp went off:
"Roland: What was that ? Man: I think it was an EMP. Roland: How ? Man: No idea, but right now we can't reach 11, 4, or 7." cause Niobe gets a call that the oracle wants to see her, then cut to where neo is bac k on the ship telling morpheus the bad news and they run and neo takes out the sentinels and they get picked up by the hammer, then cut to niobe meeintg the oracle, and the go bac kto the hammer and complete the film...
i just want to say i cant wait for this to be done...i love reloaded and cant wait to see it with the added stuff....
thanks

by the way i completely agree with cutting out scenes like the keymaker having his key stolen subplot...what the hell could anyone do with that...
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Originally posted by: ruesnarn
as far as merging the scripts for ETM and reloaded to make them make sense. I have a copy that I did as well if you would like it. Here are some possible suggestions that I used for the things you wanted to do.
1. to include the conversation voice-over ghost has with trinity...you could start the voiceover after the rave/sex scene, right after morpheus says good night Zion, sweet dreams, and segway this talk into the scene of them sitting together and having trinity thanking ghost for the talk...
I have thought about this too, but I found it weird why Trinity would be at Ghost's place after she and Neo had sex. It's like she sleeps with Neo and then immediately goes to Ghost after the sex... it doesn't make sense to me.


Originally posted by: ruesnarn
2. to have the oracle talk to niobe (again it cant be both niobe and ghost and i feel niobe's talk is more important) you cuold put this after t he scene where they realize the emp went off:
"Roland: What was that ? Man: I think it was an EMP. Roland: How ? Man: No idea, but right now we can't reach 11, 4, or 7." cause Niobe gets a call that the oracle wants to see her, then cut to where neo is bac k on the ship telling morpheus the bad news and they run and neo takes out the sentinels and they get picked up by the hammer, then cut to niobe meeintg the oracle, and the go bac kto the hammer and complete the film...

Yes, I have it something like that. I actually had this in mind to happen at the end of the movie, after the sequence of Neo with the Architect. Ghost tells them something did not happen what should have happened. Then they get the call from Seraph. Niobe/Ghost visit her (perhaps in some montage, so that the best parts of both visits can be used).
I was thinking to end the movie with the Oracle's talk with Seraph, that she needs his help now, and that the path of the One is made by the many.

Originally posted by: ruesnarn
i just want to say i cant wait for this to be done...i love reloaded and cant wait to see it with the added stuff....
thanks

No problemo. I will post the script. I'm at work right now, so it can take some time before it will be posted.

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I have thought about this too, but I found it weird why Trinity would be at Ghost's place after she and Neo had sex. It's like she sleeps with Neo and then immediately goes to Ghost after the sex... it doesn't make sense to me.
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my thinking here was that she was so freaked out about how Neo reacted during sex, that she needed to talk to her "brother"...i may be wrong but didnt she say something like brother during there talk...anyway, she needed her good friend to tell her that she was right to ttrust in neo...that was my thinking...ill be quiet now and let you work the magic
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my thinking here was that she was so freaked out about how Neo reacted during sex, that she needed to talk to her "brother"...i may be wrong but didnt she say something like brother during there talk...anyway, she needed her good friend to tell her that she was right to ttrust in neo...that was my thinking...ill be quiet now and let you work the magic

Any idea is welcome. I like conversating about it before I will start working on it.

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well then...please keep in the scene with niobe flying into zion...i know its similar to when morpheus does it, but i like it...and me knowing it should be there when its not would drive me nuts...oh well
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well then...please keep in the scene with niobe flying into zion...i know its similar to when morpheus does it, but i like it...and me knowing it should be there when its not would drive me nuts...oh well
thanks

How would you place it in the movie? Right before Neo and co arrive at Zion? There's isn't much room for that, so if you have an advice, shoot.

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I do as a matter of fact...it even makes sense in terms of timing...ill give you the script notes, to make it easier for you to visualize...
immediately after neo fights the three agents outside the meeting...he flies off to find the oracle....at this point you cut to:
( Zion Virtual Control. )
Zion Virtual Control Operator: This is Zion control to the Logos. Gate 3 is standing down. Your path is cleared to Bay 2. Welcome home.
( Logos interior. )
Niobe: Thank you, Control. It's good to be home. Ghost: Damn good.
( Logos enters Zion. )
Niobe: Look at that. Almost a full house. Ghost: No Neb. Niobe: If I was Morpheus, I wouldn' be in a hurry to get back here. Ghost: What do you think the commander will do? Niobe: I don't know, but I'm staying as far away from that as I can.
( Somebody knocks on Niobe's door, it's Lock. )
Lock: I need a moment with you. Niobe: I literally just walked in. Lock: Please ?
( Both are sitting down on chairs. )
Lock: I presume that you were present during this latest act of insubordination ? Niobe: I was. Lock: You were in charge of the recall. How could you let this happen ? Niobe: What do you expect me to do, shoot him ? Lock: Yeah, you'd save me the trouble. Niobe: Jason, you can have my testimony at the debriefing. Lock: I don't want your testimony. Niobe: What do you want ? Lock: Your help. Niobe: All right. Lock: Tell me why. Why does he do it? Is it because of us? Niobe: No. It has nothing to do with you or me. Morpheus does what he believes he has to do. Lock: Then I'll do what I have to. Niobe: You can't. Lock: Why? Niobe: Because you need him. Lock: The hell I do! Niobe: Jason, can you honestly tell me what went through your mind when you saw the tape from the Osiris? (Pause.) Excactly. I thought the same thing. Anybody from this city would. Every damn one of them. Except him. Morpheus believes we will win this war. He makes other people believe it, too. And that's why you need him. Lock: What about you? Do you need him ? Niobe: All I need is a hot shower and something to eat that requires teeth. Lock: Thank you for your candour, Captain. Niobe: Any time, Commander. Lock: Can I see you tonight? After the gathering? Niobe: Of course.
( Lock kisses Niobe. )
Lock: Is something wrong? Niobe: No. Nothing. I'm... I'm just tired. I'll see you tonight. Lock: All right.
Cut to:
Link: This is the Nebuchadnezzar on approach, requesting access to Gate 3.

also, I wanted to ask you were going to include the part during the meeting where Neo tells Wurm and Corrupt to warn the others, then it cuts to ETM footage of them running downstairs and saying its the Feds and they scatter, then cuts back to reloaded footage with Neo about to fight the 3 agents...its kind of a tough cut.
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also, I wanted to ask you were going to include the part during the meeting where Neo tells Wurm and Corrupt to warn the others, then it cuts to ETM footage of them running downstairs and saying its the Feds and they scatter, then cuts back to reloaded footage with Neo about to fight the 3 agents...its kind of a tough cut.
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I will consider your idea of Niobe's arrival at Zion.
As for the quoted part... YES!

See my script that I just adjusted with comments:
Matrix Reloaded - T-HOPE Extended Edition script
I really like to hear your feedback on it. All the ETM scenes are marked with ------ETM------
Btw, be sure to read the part of the 9 hours/3 hours issue.

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Ive read everything and my feedback is as follows:

1. first of all, well done. you did a good job moving things around to make them make sense, things ive never thought of.

2. the Niobe arriving in zion scene, I've already given you an idea about. I forgot to mention why it makes sense...after Neo looks for the Oracle, the next scene originally is Morpheus flying into Zion. It happens too fast and there is no break. with niobe flying in first it will give the impression that some time passed so that Neo could get back to the ship and then get back to zion. besides, you already make niobe and locke the next scene which is the tailend of the ship returning to zion anyway, so it does fit right there.

3. please dont cut up the animatrix. here is the reason. The way it begins, the stripping fight is an easy way to get into the action. i watched the matrix squared where they start right off with the action, and it is too abrupt. there is no time to get into it. I felt like i missed a scene or something...the way the animatrix starts, it is easy and smooth and then BAM!!! there is action. also, this to me, is part of the whole, this is part of the movie that just happened to be done in CGI. as far as Im concerned it's the first 10 minutes of reloaded. lastly, to deal with your concern of it being cgi...number 1, it is really well done, its not like a cartoon like "kid's story". some parts of that are as real if not more real than some cgi scenes from the film, so don't worry about that. its like if you were going to make a rarities bootleg music cdr, you would include all the b-sides you could find, not just the ones that fit best with the other songs...i dont have a number 2...

4. in this scene during the meeting:
"Neo: Who was that?
Wurm: How did you know someone was here?
Corrupt: He gave you this. He said you set him free.
Wurm: Is everything all right, sir?
Neo: The meeting is over, retreat to your exits. Agents are coming.
Corrupt: Agents?
Neo: Go.
Neo: Hiya, fellas.
[agent 1] It's him.
[agent 2] The Anomaly.
[agent 3] Do we proceed?
[agent 2] Yes.
[agent 3] He is still...
[agent 1]...only human.
-----ETM------
[OR PERHAPS A FEW FIGHTING SHOTS LATER]
INT. Meeting Room (Matrix). This is clearly after the scene in Reloaded, because both Trinity and Morpheus are there, but not Neo. Corrupt comes running down the stairs."

it is my opinion that you should cut to the ETM senes after the agents punch the door once or twice...otherwise you are cutting away from the battle and cutting the flow...

5. the scene with the keymaker locked up and talking to merv...it is not important at all to the film, but for the sake of completion, it should be left in...it gives you an idea as to why he is so willing to have the twins try and kill him after he had been his prisoner for so long. you would think he wouldnt want the keymaker hurt, but that is not the case, this at least gives you insight into the fact that he has run out of patience with him...

6. i agree that the 9 hour/ 3 hour scene shold be moved to later in the film like you suggested

7. the ending showing the oracle...maybe show that somehow a few shots before the "only one survivor" then showing bane ending. the reason being that the bane ending is somewhat more dramatic, and the oracle just sitting there is kind of anti-climatic.

otherwise, great job. again, these are just my opinions and i think this is gonna be a great edit and i cant wait to see it.
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Anmiatrix will definitely be cut up. I don't like the start of the episode, but I want to remove some parts. Even the Jue scene in the Matrix, when she's jumping and flying towards that droppoint will be removed. I think what I have in mind, will turn out good. Yes, it will be like BAM you're immediately into the action, but I'm going try to make it exciting and suspencefull.

The ending is still not sure, I'm going to play around with that fact.

Right now, I have the keymaker's flashback just before they enter that corridor. If you have another idea how to use, let me hear it!

Please keep in mind that I still have to finish that T3 T-HOPE NTSC fanedit before I will start on this one. I have planned that I will start with this fanedit in the end of February.

But I like to discuss the possibilities of if it, like we do now. Keep on going! ;-)

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i like the idea with the keymaker flashback...id like to see any idea that puts that somewhere in the film...god knows i couldnt think of a good place...

would i be a pain in the ass to ask...after you finish the edit, could you throw a version with the whole animatrix flight on a dvd for me...i would normally not ask for anything special, but what i am asking is to leave something uncut which is less work and just to pick it up where your edit does...please email me at ruesnarn11@hotmail.com to discuss if this is something youd consider

im only asking, no hard feelings if you dont want to...

thanks, and yes, i will be more than happy to continue discussing this....
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hey,
just wondering how goes this project...any updates?
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nope, not really.

Just to collect some stuff for Terminator Ultimate project, plus my old T3 T-HOPE Edition, which project file is corrupt.

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