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The Dark Times (3-in-1) - PART 1 AVI RELEASED! (* unfinished project *)

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DARK TIMES PART 1 - AVI RELEASED 9-6-08

The Phantom Menace has been reduced to 24 minutes!  VERY little Jar Jar and No young Anakin.

About this edit.

I made the version of Episode 1 that I want to see.  I am very happy with the final result, and I intend to make one more pass at it, so I wanted to get the thoughts of those on the board before I do.  For example, where are the video and audio transitions still too rough?  I will do my best to smooth these out in my final pass.

This edit is a combination of Ideas, my original ideas plus JasonN’s ideas which he utilized in his edit, Shadows of the Old Republic.  In this edit, Queen “Corde” Amidala and Padme are sisters (thanks JasonN).  Captain Panaka also has a twin bother, one serving each sister, which had to be done to make this edit work.  Queen Amidala is on her way to Coruscant for a political resolution to the Trade Federation’s blockade/invasion, and Padme has stayed behind organizing an underground military force to combat the looming invasion.  The battle of Naboo no longer includes Jar Jar’s buddies, and the battle is now a small military uprising from inside the city.

Edits begin at the 6 minute mark.  233 MB Xvid

<span style=“color: #0000ff;”></span>http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KBPOL5KX

NEW CLIP 8-22-08

Nightclub without Anakin Skywalker.  This may be the final cut of this.  I was able to track down an HD copy of clones, and zoom in on Obi-wan, removing Anakin from the Jango Fett killing zam scenes.  Some of the cuts are very quick, but it is what it is.  I may or may not include this in my final edit, I would like to get some feedback.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0OJBFBO5

NEW CLIPS 8-20-08

Tatooine Clip 1:  Anakin arrives on Tatooine after having a horrible nightmare about his mother.  It is established via a conversation with Watto, that Anakin, or Ani, grew up on Tatooine.  The acquaintence to Watto is unknown, but apparently they were close.  The slave sub-plot is removed.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I88EYCDK

Tatooine Clip 2:  Ankain and Padme arrive at the Lars farm.  Eliminated C-3P0’s attempt to introduce himself ( I…Am…C-…).  Anakin recognizes him right away.    When Anakin and Owen are introduced, I eliminated the introduction of Beru and Padme.  Restructured the Story from Clieg about the tusken raiders.  None of the leg business.  He simply reveals that Shmi is already dead.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DJRGS1PK

NEW CLIP  8-15-08

Here is a clip with the scene described above.  This clip also includes an experiment.  A late night idea I had to introduce Obi-wan into Episode II.  The last time we see Obi-Wan in Episode I, he is sitting next to a dead Qui-Gon.   The idea here is he now prefers working alone, and has taken to hunting down criminals and bounty hunters on the dark streets of Corousant.  I would like some feedback as to whether or not this scene works.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2WUGDHX0

The Dark Times is now Back in Progress.

After watching JasonN’s edit, Shadows of the Old Republic based on the concept discussed in this thread, I’ve felt the desire to try this again.  In his edit, he made the Natalie Portman Character two seperate people, sisters in fact,  the Queen Corde Amidala, and Senator Padme Amidala.  He also introduced Anakin into Episode II without him being Obi-Wan’s Padawan.   If you have not seen his edit, I would strongly encourage it.  A lot of interesting ideas in which to take the prequals.  I still think some things could be done better, hence the reason I’m trying again.

Originally, my intention was to eliminate Anakin from episodes 1 and 2 altogether, and not introduce Padme (still a seperate character than the Queen) until Episode II.  It was a good place to start, but it didn’t work out too well.

JasonN’s edit and his ideas have given me an opportunity to look at this differently, and utilizing the sister idea as well as introducing Anakin into episode 2 as Yoda’s Padawan, not Obi-wans, It has opened up a completely different edit.

I’m starting from scratch and will update this thread as I am able.  I am now determined to create an edit for MYSELF.  In other words, I’m removing everything about the prequals that I didn’t like, and it will not be perfect, but it will be my vision.  If you can’t please everyone, sometimes, you’ve got to please yourself."  As much as I enjoyed JasonN’s Edit, there are things I would have done differently, so that is exactly what I’m doing.

If others can enjoy it, then that is icing on the cake.

Episode 1 Status:  Completed (I think)       Total runtime is now: 26 minutes

Episode 2 Status:  In Progress        Current Runtime: 39 minutes.

Episode 3 Status:  None

Episode II, to put it bluntly is a terrible movie.  As I’m working on my edit, I’m having a hard time finding quality material to actually use for the edit.  I find myself re-editing entire scenes just to eliminate bad dialogue.  For example, immediatly after Corde (now Corde Amidala)  dies on the landing platform, and we cut to the Jedi Council meeting with Palpatine.  I have always hated how poorly Palpatine cut off Mace and then Padme.

Mace: If your negotiations do fail…I WILL NOT LET  (then mace repeats, ‘If they do…’)

Padme:  I don’t think that the situation is…THAT SERIOUS, OH I DO SENATOR.

Terrible!! and now both are gone.

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"For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire."

The Dark Times is a film about Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker is a subplot.

Episode 1 is without young Anakin Skywalker, Silly Gungan Battle, or tatooine.   A small rebel force, with the help of two Jedi,  must defend Naboo from the Trade Federation.

Episode 2 is without whiney Anakin, and he is not Obi-wans padawan.  Anakin is Yoda's padawan being led astray by Palpatine.   Obi-wan prefers to serve alone after the loss of his former master. 

Episode 3:  Because of the Clone war, Obi-wan agrees to train Anakin whom he thought he could instruct, just as well as yoda.  He was wrong.   Obi-Wan must then face off against a corrupt Anakin Skywalker who is now his friend and padawan.

 

 

That's the brief synopsis of the Dark Times.  

I have removed all previous clips, as the new edit will be very different.  Same premise, very different execution thanks to ideas provided by JasonN in his interpretation of this concept, Shadows of the Old Republic. 

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Sound interesting. I'm getting pretty good with the sound editing, so if you need ideas/help, let me know.

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PLEASE TAKE REAVE UP ON THE SOUND EDITING. BECAUSE THE ENTIRE THING IS MADE UP OF JUMP CUTS YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN EDIT THE MUSIC TO AT LEAST MAKE EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE THEY FLOW TOGETHER. YOU'RE TAKING ON A HUGE TASK AND ONE OF THE HARDEST EDITS TO MAKE. GOOD SOUND EDITING WILL HELP YOUR EDIT.


I LIKED HOW YOU REARRANGED THE SCENES. I DIDN'T LIKE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE JEDI IN THE HANGAR BAY. HAVING THEM SHOW UP ON THE PLANET WOULD BE BETTER. YOU WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU MISSED SOMETHING INVOLVING THEM ON THE TRADE FEDERATION SHIP. YOU MAY WANT TO ADD THE SCENE WHERE JAR JAR TELLS THE JEDI, "MESA TAKE YOU THERE." THEN IT WOULD SEEM LIKE HE WAS A GUIDE FOR THE JEDI AS THE NEXT SCENE WITH THEM WOULD BE IN THEED CITY NEAR THE PALACE.


KEEP UP THE HARD WORK. YOU'LL GET THERE. DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK FOR ANY HELP OR ADVICE THAT YOU MAY NEED.

"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
The Mangler Bros. Psycho Dayv Armchaireviews Notes on Suicide

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Originally posted by: reave
Sound interesting. I'm getting pretty good with the sound editing, so if you need ideas/help, let me know.


You've just made my day, I'll send you PM later today to see how you would like to co-ordinate this.


PSYCHO_DAYV,

Thanks for the comments, and the encouragement. The jump cuts frustrate me as well, and I will ask for help.
Regarding the Hanger Bay, it is my intention that it is a hangerbay on the planet as a sort of staging ground. If you had not known this was on a star ship, could you believe it was on the planet? I will probably edit it a little more to remove the ships preparing to load up the droids. I had thought about adding the scene with Jar Jar introducing him as a guide, but I like the idea of introducing the Jedi as they are sneaking around. I was hoping there would be a way to crop him out of that scene or paint him out.
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Very cool! Just watched Chapter 1, and aside from the audio editing, I'm really excited to see how this project turns out!

Just one critique: some of the resequencing is a bit jarring/confusing. Jarring - i.e., the different backgrounds when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon meet Maul (though it gets tied together better when they move the fight into the power core [?] area). Confusing - i.e., Hologram Sidious is saying "It's too aggressive", but it's not clear what was too aggressive; the ship in the forest doesn't seem to be aggressive without some kind of explanation.

Very exciting overall to see Episode I boiled down to something very action packed with minimal silliness! Nice job, jedi_jra.
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Very cool! Just watched Chapter 1, and aside from the audio editing, I'm really excited to see how this project turns out!

Just one critique: some of the resequencing is a bit jarring/confusing. Jarring - i.e., the different backgrounds when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon meet Maul (though it gets tied together better when they move the fight into the power core [?] area). Confusing - i.e., Hologram Sidious is saying "It's too aggressive", but it's not clear what was too aggressive; the ship in the forest doesn't seem to be aggressive without some kind of explanation.

Very exciting overall to see Episode I boiled down to something very action packed with minimal silliness! Nice job, jedi_jra.



Thanks for the comments. I've removed the too agressive line. I agree, it really didn't make sense. The Maul battle was a tough one. I think I've justified in my mind that the power core and the hallway are similar enough, and the fact that it's on the planet, Maul simply enters from outside. (Reminds me somewhat of the bunker in ROTJ on Endor when Han and the Rebels enter) It appears the corridor has 3 hallways shaped like a " T ". Maul enters from the bottom of the " T " where the camera is placed to watch obi-wan and Qui-gon. This is where Obi-wan is looking when he alerts Qui-Gon.

I've also removed the hangar seen mentioned above by PSYCHO_DAYV, and replaced it with Obi-wan, Qui-gon, and Jar jar entering in the sub, presumably from the swamp which in my scroll, is where they had to land. Jar-Jar is simply acting as a guide and local companion. We see "another" gungan escorting the Queen later (pretend it is not Jar Jar). Now I don't have to remove Jar jar from the scene where obi-wan and qui-gon sneak into the city.

I have added some battle scenes, trimmed some dialog, and made a lot of other little changes (Maul no longer sprays red blood when sliced in half). I'm attempting to learn how to edit the audio. The audio is still far from perfect, but I think it is a major improvement over the original rough cut.

This revised edit includes the Phantom menace scroll, however eventually i would like to remove it and replace it with my own. At the end I added the funeral score to give an example of how the lead into Part II would be, signifying both the death of Qui-gon and the Trade Federation taking over Naboo.

Here ya go:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S5PGVSFR
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Edit Updated May 4th

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MGYMW1VY 300Mb

This will be my final update on this project for a while as I am putting it to the side. I really didn't know what to expect attempting to do my own edit and have gotten to a point where i'm just not happy with the quality of it and I've gotten in over my head.

This update includes Chapter 1 and 2 witih text blocks (I couldn't figure out the scroll thing). If anybody would like to take my ideas and complete the edit in the right way, please feel free to do so, just let me know or post it in this thread that your taking over. If not, maybe I'll get around to it one day, but as of now, the projects dead.

If anything, hopefully I've given somebody else some ideas with this attempt.

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Hey, jra. Sorry to hear that this project is being suspended unless someone else picks up where you left off.

I've felt overwhelmed by my Episode 3 edit and can sympathize with feeling that you're in over your head. I'll be checking out your final clip when I can download it at home.

Not that others will necessarily solve your technical issues for you, but people around here can be pretty helpful. If you have the time to learn, post a question in the "Technical Discussion" forum; maybe someone can help.

You'll still be around the forum, though, right?
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Even though I am no longer working on this project and I've handed it off, I still wanted to share an idea I had.

My intended edit was to not show Anakin until Episode III. At this time, Padme was pregnant, and they were in love, but we would not have seen this happen since I would have eliminated Anakin from Episode II. I would have explained their love in a forshadowing flashback in Episode III.

So out of boredom and an itch to edit again, I've quickly put together the flashback scene I would have utilized had I continued with this edit. Maybe somebody can use this in a future edit.

It's short and sweet, but I think it accomplishes what I had hoped to.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WIHFKBE7 35mb 1 min 49 sec
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Updated August 15th.

 

After watching JasonN's edit, Shadows of the Old Republic based on the concept discussed in this thread, I've felt the desire to try this again.  In his edit, he made the Natalie Portman Character two seperate people, sisters in fact,  the Queen Corde Amidala, and Senator Padme Amidala.  He also introduced Anakin into Episode II without him being Obi-Wan's Padawan.   If you have not seen his edit, I would strongly encourage it.  A lot of interesting ideas in which to take the prequals.  I still think some things could be done better, hence the reason I'm trying again. 

Originally, my intention was to eliminate Anakin from episodes 1 and 2 altogether, and not introduce Padme (still a seperate character than the Queen) until Episode II.  It was a good place to start, but it didn't work out too well. 

JasonN's edit and his ideas have given me an opportunity to look at this differently, and utilizing the sister idea as well as introducing Anakin into episode 2 as Yoda's Padawan, not Obi-wans, It has opened up a completely different edit.   

I'm starting from scratch and will update this thread as I am able.  I am now determined to create an edit for MYSELF.  In other words, I'm removing everything about the prequals that I didn't like, and it will not be perfect, but it will be my vision.  If you can't please everyone, sometimes, you've got to please yourself."  As much as I enjoyed JasonN's Edit, there are things I would have done differently, so that is exactly what I'm doing. 

If others can enjoy it, then that is icing on the cake. 

Episode 1 Status:  Completed (I think)       Total runtime is now: 26 minutes

Episode 2 Status:  In Progress        Current Runtime: 39 minutes.

Episode 3 Status:  None

 

Episode II, to put it bluntly is a terrible movie.  As I'm working on my edit, I'm having a hard time finding quality material to actually use for the edit.  I find myself re-editing entire scenes just to eliminate bad dialogue.  For example, immediatly after Corde (now Corde Amidala)  dies on the landing platform, and we cut to the Jedi Council meeting with Palpatine.  I have always hated how poorly Palpatine cut off Mace and then Padme.  

Mace: If your negotiations do fail........I WILL NOT LET  (then mace repeats, 'If they do...')

Padme:  I don't think that the situation is........THAT SERIOUS, OH I DO SENATOR. 

Terrible!! and now both are gone. 

NEW CLIP  8-15-08

Here is a clip with the scene describe above.  This clip also includes an experiment.  A late night idea I had to introduce Obi-wan into Episode II.  The last time we see Obi-Wan in Episode I, he is sitting next to a dead Qui-Gon.   The idea here is he now prefers working alone, and has taken to hunting down criminals and bounty hunters on the dark streets of Corousant.  I would like some feedback as to whether or not this scene works. 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2WUGDHX0

 

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New update.  I wanted to show Anakin and Padme's arrival on Tatooine only to discover that Shmi is already dead.    This idea came from JasonN's edit, eliminating the entire Tusken Raider hunt and reaction by Anakin in the garage, however I wanted to develop the storyline a little more than JasonN's edit had done.

NEW CLIPS 8-20-08

Tatooine Clip 1:  Anakin arrives on Tatooine after having a horrible nightmare about his mother.  It is established via a conversation with Watto, that Anakin, or Ani, grew up on Tatooine.  The acquaintence to Watto is unknown, but apparently they knew each other well.  The slave sub-plot is removed.   

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I88EYCDK

Tatooine Clip 2:  Ankain and Padme arrive at the Lars farm.  I Eliminated C-3P0's attempt to introduce himself ( I..Am..C-.....).  Anakin recognizes him right away.    When Anakin and Owen are introduced, I eliminated the introduction of Beru and Padme.  Restructured the Story from Clieg about the tusken raiders.  None of the leg business.  He simply reveals that Shmi is already dead. 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DJRGS1PK

 

Regarding my experiment in the previous clip with Obi-wan and the night club.  I am still working on this and at the moment, I am trying to hunt down a HD version of Clones so that I can zoom in on a couple of scenes to remove Anakin from the frame.  If anybody can help me out, I'm only seeking the part where Obi-wan questions Zam outside the club and when he pulls out the toxic dart.   The whole scene is no more than a minute long.  Also, any feedback on any of these clips would be appreciated!

 

 

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NEW CLIP 8-22-08

Nightclub without Anakin Skywalker.  This may be the final cut of this.  I'll need to step back and take a fresh look at this later.  I was able to track down an HD copy of clones, and zoom in on Obi-wan, removing Anakin from the Jango Fett killing zam scenes.  Some of the cuts are very quick, but it is what it is.  I may or may not include this in my final edit, I would like to get some feedback. 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0OJBFBO5

 

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DARK TIMES PART 1 - AVI RELEASED 9-6-08

The Phantom Menace has been reduced to 24 minutes!  VERY little Jar Jar and No young Anakin.

About this edit.

I made the version of Episode 1 that I want to see.  I am very happy with the final result, and I intend to make one more pass at it, so I wanted to get the thoughts of those on the board before I do.  For example, where are the video and audio transitions still too rough?  I will do my best to smooth these out in my final pass.

This edit is a combination of Ideas, my original ideas plus JasonN's ideas which he utilized in his edit, Shadows of the Old Republic.  In this edit, Queen "Corde" Amidala and Padme are sisters (thanks JasonN).  Captain Panaka also has a twin bother, one serving each sister, which had to be done to make this edit work.  Queen Amidala is on her way to Coruscant for a political resolution to the Trade Federation's blockade/invasion, and Padme has stayed behind organizing an underground military force to combat the looming invasion.  The battle of Naboo no longer includes Jar Jar's buddies, and the battle is now a small military uprising from inside the city. 

Edits begin at the 6 minute mark.  233 MB Xvid 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KBPOL5KX

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I'm hoping to release part II this week, any thoughts on part 1?  Or did I fail miserably at trying to accomplish Episode 1 without Anakin?