The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 2

Possessed said:

Someone could completely remaster ANH's audio, to remove that tinny sound it has and make the dialougue flow better. (not from an acting perspective I mean, from a quality. It's obvious that TONS of lines are pulled from different sources because of varying background fuzz and eq settings between lines). You could pull most dialougue from a consistent source. I'm actually embarking on a project like this, and am tinkering with EQ to remove the tinny sound.

Also I would just like to clarify that the issue with dialogue and quality is not a fault of adywan's, but the 2004 DVD mix.

Possessed said:

Possessed said:

Someone could completely remaster ANH's audio, to remove that tinny sound it has and make the dialougue flow better. (not from an acting perspective I mean, from a quality. It's obvious that TONS of lines are pulled from different sources because of varying background fuzz and eq settings between lines). You could pull most dialougue from a consistent source. I'm actually embarking on a project like this, and am tinkering with EQ to remove the tinny sound.

 

Also I would just like to clarify that the issue with dialogue and quality is not a fault of adywan's, but the 2004 DVD mix.

Or rather the fact that due to it being a DVD, for the first time we can actually hear the quality differences. Correct me if I'm wrong. :P

Knightmessenger said:

Possessed said:

Someone could completely remaster ANH's audio, to remove that tinny sound it has and make the dialougue flow better.

Isn't the PCM stereo of the 1993 mix pretty good? Or even '97? Did they really gain much more clarity by attempting to use as many higher generation generation sources that were poorly mixed together.

 

  Exactly. That's what I will be doing. I think my process is going to be to take the pcm stereo track of the 1993 mix, do a Pro Logic II upmix (just to somewhat isolate the voice) and use it for most of the dialogue because it sounds just fine, and better in some places even. (compare "Absoloutly your worship" from the garbage scene in those two mixes and it's amazing how much better the 1993 mix is) and then place the new dialogue in the 2004 dvd mix (making sure it all syncs up of course) and then further restore the audio as a whole. I found a good eq setting today that lowering the mid's, SLIGHTLY boosting the high's and lows does wonders to get rid of that tinny sound.

Siliconmaster482 said:

Possessed said:

Possessed said:

Someone could completely remaster ANH's audio, to remove that tinny sound it has and make the dialougue flow better. (not from an acting perspective I mean, from a quality. It's obvious that TONS of lines are pulled from different sources because of varying background fuzz and eq settings between lines). You could pull most dialougue from a consistent source. I'm actually embarking on a project like this, and am tinkering with EQ to remove the tinny sound.

 

Also I would just like to clarify that the issue with dialogue and quality is not a fault of adywan's, but the 2004 DVD mix.

 

Or rather the fact that due to it being a DVD, for the first time we can actually hear the quality differences. Correct me if I'm wrong. :P

 No, the pcm stereo of the 1993 laserdiscs sounds alot better.

Interesting. I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned it during the making of Revisited, or that if they did, Ady didn't do anything about it. Ah well- if someone can do something about it, kudos to them. I'm ok with the current version. :P

Siliconmaster482 said:

Interesting. I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned it during the making of Revisited, or that if they did, Ady didn't do anything about it. Ah well- if someone can do something about it, kudos to them. I'm ok with the current version. :P

I'm going to do it... as well as working on the full soundtrack to make it sound less like it was recorded in a trash can with good acoustics.

Cool. Looking forward to the result.

sketchrob said:

Y'know Kurgan just once I'd like to see you acutally attemt to create any of your "suggestions", I really would.

Says the one who has never released a fan edit...

Last I checked this thread was about making suggestions, whether or not we had any plans to do it ourselves... not gushing over what fan editors had already decided to do on their own, so please take your snarky attitude and shove it out the nearest airlock (and try the spell-checker next time). ;)

vaderios said:

Vader's Eyes are definetely suberb as black.

If you like tho the red at least someone should cover the actor's eyes from inside :)

 

-Angel

I am curious why people keep bringing this up. When do we see Prowse's eyes through the costume and why is this a problem?

Kurgan said:

sketchrob said:

Y'know Kurgan just once I'd like to see you acutally attemt to create any of your "suggestions", I really would.

 

Says the one who has never released a fan edit...

 

Last I checked this thread was about making suggestions, whether or not we had any plans to do it ourselves... not gushing over what fan editors had already decided to do on their own, so please take your snarky attitude and shove it out the nearest airlock (and try the spell-checker next time). ;)

A good point there, this thread is about making suggestions and you are free to make whatever suggestions you like.

It's not necessary to be a fan editor to make suggestions either, this thread is about giving people ideas.

Some of the people who contribute to it might want to run off and work on those ideas themselves, others may just want to throw ideas out for others to ponder and perhaps pick up and develop.

I would prefer a snark free atmosphere in here  too, snarking is not grown up and it's not clever.

Snarks will be hunted down and exterminated!

Siliconmaster482 said:

Cool. Looking forward to the result.

Thanks for the support :)

Do you think this project should get it's own topic? I'm not sure, and also about distribution... I'm not going to be changing the video in any way and the sync will stay the same so I think I will just upload an ac3 somewhere and let people mux it themselves... should be easy enough with a program like Nandub. 

Also I forgot to add I'll be using Adywan's ANH as a base, assuming he doesn't mind.

Seriously though, this stuff could go on forever, no matter what is added in or redone there would be other people saying this or that more could be done.

That being said, there is one thing that could be done to remedy the scene of Han stepping around Jabba without stepping on his tail. It would not be easy to do and it would be a long  shot (further away) could be shown with Han walking to the place (Using a stand in) he is right after he steps on Jabba's tail without going around him. The whole hanger background would have to be created again, this is something likly only ILM or another big effects house  has capabilities to do, I am kinda surprised is wasn't thought of.

couldnt we just quickly cut to boba fett, a henchman or chewie something as he walks over the tail.

 Just an update, I got the all-clear from Adywan so my soundtrack edit is now being started.

Nice.

awesome. what changes do you plan to make?

ben_danger said:

awesome. what changes do you plan to make?

 No creative changes. But I plan to apply an EQ setting I developed throughout the whole film (except where Battle Of the Heroes plays, because obviously that would make it sound wierd...), remove most dialogue from the 2004 mix and replace it with dialogue from the 1993 laserdiscs with some slight (and non crippling) noise reduction applied, as not only do they sound better in places and adequate overall, but the sound will be more consistent, as opposed to the 2004 mix which sloppily pieces dialogue together from a number of different sources. If you guys are really interested in these I am thinking of posting a preview for the scene in the trash compactor, as the audio from that section is pretty bad originally.

I was personally thrilled with Adywan's work, but still have a few suggestions. Some of them may be impossible, but I'll mention them all anyway, just to have them out there.

Trash Compactor - I'd like to see the squeaky sound of the styrofoam garbage eliminated. Also, in some scenes the trash liquid level is only mid-shin on the actors. Luke gets snatched into water that is 9 inches deep, and then can't be found. If there was some way to transpose the the liquid level up to mid thigh depth, it would make it much more plausible that a monster could be in there.

Yavin Hangar - As we know, one full sized prop was used for all the X wings. It would be nice if the red stripe on Luke's full sized ship could be broken to match the filming miniature. I have good photo refs of each filming miniature if anyone is interested.

Space Battle - As per above, the 2004 DVD (i.e. the 1997 Special Edition) replaced many model shots with CGI, and used Wedge's Red 2 model for every ship. It would be nice to have the Red stripe broken up to better match the Red 5 model here too. I know Ady added more hash marks to the wings in some shots, but missed the stripe on the forward fuselage.

Yavin Base - I dearly miss seeing 3P0 look at Leia when Luke announces that he's lost R2. That moment always cemented 3P0's real concern for his buddy and I can't understand why Ady chose to leave it out.

Millenium Falcon Cockpit - the horizontal light panel on the wall behind Han doesn't line up when it rounds the corner from the back wall to the side wall. Chewie's side is straight, and both sides are perfect in ESB. It's as though the set builders made a mistake. I'd love to see that fixed, but again I don't know how.

This is my first post, so let me say that I'm thrilled to see the good work being done here. Cheers, M.

Good suggestions, Marlonius!

Personally, I don't agree with all the creative decisions that Adywan made, as well as things done in the SE.

• Adywan recolored all blue Rebel "bird" emblems on pilot helmets red. I think that the color of the emblem on the "generic" helmets should be that of the squadron: Red squadron have a red emblem, Blue Squadron have a blue emblem and Gold Squadron (yellow Y-wings) have a yellow emblem matching the yellow stripes on their Y-wings.
• I don't like the Sandtroopers' flying probe droid. Could it be edited away?
• Adywan and crew did a great job on the new Pilot briefing graphics, but I would have preferred it to stay white instead of red.
• Could the Wolfman be put back into the Cantina?

I don't like the idea of Jabba in ANH at all. There are many reasons that I think make that scene do not work.

If we put the changes aside for a bit, there are also more things left that Adywan did not tweak:

• There is still one shot of Rebel Fleet Troopers which is flipped, with the helmet radio box on the wrong side.
• Stormtrooper with black gap between his calf pieces on the Tantive IV.
• Although Han Solo's blaster is never seen up close more than once, the prop he used in the closeup in the cantina is significantly different than the one he used in all the other scenes.
  
• Luke's pilot helmet has a different color scheme in the scene in the hanger when he is talking to Han.

Darth Lars said:

Good suggestions, Marlonius!

Personally, I don't agree with all the creative decisions that Adywan made, as well as things done in the SE.

• Adywan recolored all blue Rebel "bird" emblems on pilot helmets red. I think that the color of the emblem on the "generic" helmets should be that of the squadron: Red squadron have a red emblem, Blue Squadron have a blue emblem and Gold Squadron (yellow Y-wings) have a yellow emblem matching the yellow stripes on their Y-wings.
• I don't like the Sandtroopers' flying probe droid. Could it be edited away?
• Adywan and crew did a great job on the new Pilot briefing graphics, but I would have preferred it to stay white instead of red.
• Could the Wolfman be put back into the Cantina?
• I don't like the idea of Jabba in ANH at all. There are many reasons that I think make that scene do not work.

If we put the changes aside for a bit, there are also more things left that Adywan did not tweak:

• There is still one shot of Rebel Fleet Troopers which is flipped, with the helmet radio box on the wrong side.
• Stormtrooper with black gap between his calf pieces on the Tantive IV.
• Although Han Solo's blaster is never seen up close more than once, the prop he used in the closeup in the cantina is significantly different than the one he used in all the other scenes.
  
• Luke's pilot helmet has a different color scheme in the scene in the hanger when he is talking to Han.

 

I thought about the helmet insignia thing myself, though it was nice to see the blue changed to red it doesn't resolve the main problem of all the pilots having different insignia designs in the battle (only Luke has the red design and it's distressed, the helmets in that sequence look brand new).

It might be possible to find pilots in the battle that looks a bit like the pilots in the take off sequence and change the insignia on their helmets to match up with the ones their look-alikes wear in the battle.