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Terminator 2 in search of the theatrical sound mix

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The goal:

Find or get close to the theatrical T2 sound mix, not the bastardised Gary Rydstrom near field mix

Mux a BD theatrical cut with a 2.0 and 5.1 track

I need either the:

CDS 5.1 (obviously only a cinema mix with no home format, but some of the 5.1 mixes may have been taken from it)

70mm Dolby 6 track

Dolby SR

 

 

What I have so far (Theatrical cut [TC] only): (first USA dvd is on the way)

UK PAL Laserdisc only release Dolby Surround 

NTSC Laserdisc First release CLV Dolby Surround 

Lionsgate First Bluray release Dolby EX 6.1/DTS-ES 6.1 

Lionsgate/Optimum Skynet Bluray release DTS HD-MA 6.1

Lionsgate Second DVD release "Ultimate edition" Dolby EX 6.1/DTS-ES 6.1

Artisan Third DVD release "Extreme Dvd" Dolby EX 6.1 (+ if I can rip it the WMV version)

 

I will go thru all the releases I have and check the sound one by one, I have also asked Van ling if the CDS track could be on the new disc but I think that is a a long shot!

I have a good memory of the CDS track but if anyone has any info on releases I will be happy to hear it.

I think the rumor is that the the first USA dvd has the TC audio, I have that in the post but also have the first LD if not but that is only Dolby Surround.

 

 

 

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Yeah I saw that, but no way am I going anywhere near using the Skynet as the video 

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All I have is the T2 Ultimate Edition DVD (2 Disc) set .... don't know if that will help or not.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/1023/terminator-2-ultimate-edition/

:)

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Ya know .... I didn't see it in the picture until after I posted ...... duh.

LOL

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I have the first dvd release of T2 from the end of the 90's. Is that any help?

Like you I have just about every single T2 copy I can get.

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I've got some sort of OTV 4:3 laser, not sure if the mix is OTV though.

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I am wondering that the german HD-DVD has a 7.1 DTS-HD Track, while every other Release on BD only has 5.1 or 6.1 Tracks.

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I now have waht is said to be the CDS mix but is a nightmare to sync 

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CDS was Kodak's very short lived glitchy but awesome digital 5.1 format

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dvdmike said:

CDS was Kodak's very short lived glitchy but awesome digital 5.1 format

Just to expand a bit ....

Cinema Digital Sound

From Chace Audio

Cinema Digital Sound (CDS) was a 5.1 theatrical release format developed in the early 1990's by Eastman Kodak and ORC (Optical Radiation Corporation). CDS was short-lived in the marketplace, giving way to Dolby® Digital, DTS®, and SDDS®.

One key factor that may have played a part in its short life was the fact that CDS occupied the same physical space on a print that the analog SVA track used. This meant that a CDS track could not have an analog backup on the print. All current digital theatrical formats rely on the analog track as a default backup in the case of digital errors and mutes in the digital playback. Moreover, the analog track takes on even greater importance if the print should end up in a theater that doesn't support digital playback.

And this ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_Digital_Sound

“Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.”
― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

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^ What he said! 

It is a shame we only have one or two of the tracks on Blu-ray 

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borisanddoris said:

http://www.in70mm.com/news/2012/cds/

You said you have what is said to be the CDS mix but hard to sync.  What is your source?

 

It was the basis for the AC-3 5.1 track on the first USA dvd release, or so the rumour goes

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borisanddoris said:

You said you have what is said to be the CDS mix but hard to sync.  What is your source?

He has my resync of the 1997 Artisan DVD 5.1. It's the CDS mix, I promise! But it's only intended to sync with the Skynet theatrical cut, which is where he had the problems.

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borisanddoris said:

Oh, and THIS too: http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/pubs/cds.pdf

:O I love that!

I saw it in CDS and nothing has lived up to it on any format for T2! I am 70% Sure Days of Thunder is the CDS mix (and is a stunning mix also) and Edward Scissorhands may be also, but I am less sure on that.

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I'll have to take a listen to that again.  I have that disc, and I don't remember it sounding that good.  Although, I never heard the theatrical mix in cinemas but it never seemed to be a full, bombastic, theatrical sounding mix.  I'll dig it out again.

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Its 100% not the same mix, if it is the CDS mix as people clam I am less sure I will have a comparison video up soon showing BD "CDS" and LD mixes for the same scene 

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http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/21959/LD68952-2DD/Terminator-2:-Judgment-Day-%281991%29

LDDB says ......

This is a remastered edition of the 1991, 139-minute theatrical release with a remastered Dolby Digital AC-3 soundtrack.

The 1998 region 1 DVD used the same sound and picture transfers. No supplements.

Although the jacket doesn't indicate it, side 3 is in CAV format.

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― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

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borisanddoris said:

There is also this rare pressing: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Terminator-2-Judgment-Day-1991-NTSC-LBX-AC3-CAV-THX-LD68952-2DD-Laserdisc-/380610073487?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item589e20d38f

There are also the Japanese squeeze versions that both had AC3.

I've never heard any of them.

 

One of the last lasers I wanted, I want the squeeze discs but they are expensive.

The hi-vision disc was said to contain the original mix, but not worth the cost of finding out!