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Okay so the "bridge" scene. I've been dreading this. I'm not entirely sure yet how I'll handle it. First here's the cleaned LD:

http://i.imgur.com/pGda7Jd.jpg

And this is the DVD - cleaned and resized.

http://i.imgur.com/9ydvomM.jpg

Even the DVD as you can clearly see has a huge difference in quality - let alone the HDTV! I have no doubt the entire frame was re-rendered from the CGI model with the changes on the left of the frame.

Laserdisc:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/130781

And HDTV:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/130784

And I'll enhance them so the difference is clear (fullr resolution):

http://i.imgur.com/mMI1sMZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/l0Vp4TO.jpg

In the worst case scenario I'll have to use the whole LD frame. However, I'm hoping that softening and darkening the HDTV image will allow me to superimpose the two together.

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Behodar said:

Apparently only the Blu-ray was changed. As you were :)

I listed the differences from theatrical to dvd here. Note that's the first post on page 2 so I'm surprised you missed it!

nightstalkerpoet said:


Any ETA on this? Really excited to see your final results. :)

It depends what I can do with the shot you see above. Superimposing the images would require a moving mask which is a time consuming process to construct.

clutchins said:


Also, Valeyard, "Theatrical Preservation" is incorrect terminology since you're not preserving anything in particular. What you're doing is a reconstruction of the Theatrical version.

All the SW Trilogy scans done by poita, team -1 and mikev are using multiple sources. There are three versions of the theatrical on the spleen as it is - LD, TB and Z. Adywan's "reconstruction" didn't correct the scene above, but if you like it's the 4th on there. It's easily possible to reconstruct the theatrical cut using just the Jap LD and the HDTV - taking scenes from each and arrange them into the correct order. My final cut will use the DVD and the TB as well - the TB proved very valuable in correcting the chroma in particular. So far I haven't changed anything, thus it's still a preservation. It's the the ultimate preservation by any means - someone with access to a theatrical print can scan it and make one that uses the print. Someone else may simply do what I'm doing except use the Bluray as well (I'm not using it because I don't want to, and I don't think it is representative of how the film looked in theatres). Preservations don't always fit into a particular concise definition, and the boundaries to reconstructions can be blurred.

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RU.08 said:

All the SW Trilogy scans done by poita, team -1 and mikev are using multiple sources. There are three versions of the theatrical on the spleen as it is - LD, TB and Z. Adywan's "reconstruction" didn't correct the scene above, but if you like it's the 4th on there. It's easily possible to reconstruct the theatrical cut using just the Jap LD and the HDTV - taking scenes from each and arrange them into the correct order. My final cut will use the DVD and the TB as well - the TB proved very valuable in correcting the chroma in particular.

I think you should look at the DVD deleted scenes as well for the extended podrace intro, as it has Watto saying "Sepulba!", which was removed from the dvd/hdtv and blu-ray cuts.

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The extras dvd shot of him saying that was discussed on page one ;-) 

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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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What exactly is this going to be synced to, if anything? The Laserdisc or maybe even Adywan's Reconstruction?

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It'll be synced to the LD as ripped by althor, but without the LD logos (so from the 2oth century fox logo on). I've never actually seen Adywan's version, so I'm not sure how it differs.

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RU.08 said:

Behodar said:

Apparently only the Blu-ray was changed. As you were :)

I listed the differences from theatrical to dvd here. Note that's the first post on page 2 so I'm surprised you missed it!

I didn't miss it. I read it, noticed that the "bridge scene" wasn't on it, and posted about that (incorrectly).

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This looks right:
http://i.imgur.com/33zWlgF.jpg

Since I apparently can't help nitpicking... that subtitle is a little too far to the right :)

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Well even the link you provided listed changes to the DVD version, as well as further changes to the 2011 BD/3D version.

And yes, unfortunately the subtitles will not be absolutely perfect. Their vertical placement is consistent in all but one scene (a close-up of Sebulba saying "you slave scum", and their horizontal placement is consistently centred. Since the DVD/HDTV version is not cropped exactly the same, the subtitles are not in the exact position they would have been in originally. I will be making sure they are as close to right as they can be when averaged across the 27 of them (and the Sebulba one will be lower as is theatrically correct).

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I have a widescreen VHS of the Theatrical release if it would be of some value in this project?

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I noted the laserdisc is way better than TB...

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RU.08 said:

Well even the link you provided...

... which was in my "correction" post, not the original one :)

Anyway, everything's looking good! A few pixels on the subtitles won't be noticeable and was just making sure that you were aware. I'm not trying to complain; what I've seen so far is several orders of magnitude better than anything I'd be able to produce!

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clutchins said:

Has some poor soul out there got a 35mm print of TPM?

Not to sound like a broken record but some of you really need to get around the forum a bit and read.  Us old timers have to do it to keep up, you should too.

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Here's the subtitle script (the current version of it), even something as simple as adding subtitles is actually quite complicated.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cFOJX4ch_U

1080p deleted scenes from DVD/Bluray ... if it helps any.

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Jetrell Fo said:

clutchins said:

Has some poor soul out there got a 35mm print of TPM?

Not to sound like a broken record but some of you really need to get around the forum a bit and read.  Us old timers have to do it to keep up, you should too.

 I'm the one you should be calling a broken record with all these questions I've been asking in the threads lately. I'll try to lurk moar. Thanks.

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clutchins said:

Jetrell Fo said:

clutchins said:

Has some poor soul out there got a 35mm print of TPM?

Not to sound like a broken record but some of you really need to get around the forum a bit and read.  Us old timers have to do it to keep up, you should too.

 I'm the one you should be calling a broken record with all these questions I've been asking in the threads lately. I'll try to lurk moar. Thanks.

I'm not saying "disappear in to the woodwork" for a while.  Just peruse the forum and read, you'll find most of your answers.  It is the best way to learn the ropes here.

Good hunting .....

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Jetrell Fo said:

I have a widescreen VHS of the Theatrical release if it would be of some value in this project?

Thanks but I don't need it. Between althor's LD and the TB (DVB recording) (and the Z VCD for subtitles) all the material is covered.

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RU.08 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have a widescreen VHS of the Theatrical release if it would be of some value in this project?

Thanks but I don't need it. Between althor's LD and the TB (DVB recording) (and the Z VCD for subtitles) all the material is covered.

Okee dokee.

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Actually, using a PAL vhs capture couldn't you use Andrea's PanUp method to combine with the laserdisc and get potentially even better results? Or is the TB pal and you could do so with that?

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I don't think pan and scan VHS has better resolution than widescreen LD, let alone digital PAL anamorphic broadcast.

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Even using PaNup with PAL and NTSC VHS, quality will be lower than any laserdisc; TB quality is good, but this time laserdisc is better - TPM is one of the best looking non-anamorphic laserdiscs ever made!

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Even with the tb panupped to the laserdisc?

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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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I think it will be REALLY hard to align them spatially... but, *in theory* it could work, even if TB quality is quite low in comparison... further tests are needed...

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Since there's interest growing in this, here's my alignment/clean-up script. I'm currently re-working the upscale aspect of the script, but this is the basis that underpins it, and I haven't altered it since last year (and probably won't). You need to crop the right-hand side of the final product. I use that script to create uncompressed AVI files of the scenes I need, and then load the scenes into the upscale script.

Also, I have worked out how to handle the bridge scene. Labour-intensive, but it will work. :)

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That's a PaNup really enhanced script... good job!!!

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