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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)

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Right I am looking in to this film and am just in planning phase of this currently. I am by no means a massive Stargate Fan but I do like the original film from my youth.

Some revelations I wish to share about the film, and how there is some very important pieces to the film missing.

Ok so I have been studying the film and various material including the rough draft script.

First of all a deliberate color change when Daniel speaks of an uprising on Earth the flashback scene was set at night not day like in all other versions the theatrical cut has a night / blue tint all other versions appear to be day.

Various missing shots from the film ended up in Stargate SG-1

Now let’s move on to some of the more important details pertaining to the finale.

Their was an extended face off between RA & Daniel that was cut (can not do anything about that)

When RA is clutching Daniels head with the eye weapon on his hand. When the rings are activated not only does it send the Anubis (Jackal) Guard’s severed head up to the ship but it was also meant to chop off RA’s hand in the process and send it down to the Stargate chamber below with Daniel and Sha’uri.

When the bomb is sent up to RA’s ship RA’s children were standing in the ring and was swapped for the Bomb as they became frightened of RA. The children did not get Nuked even though the shit editing here suggests they did it’s just a missing scene. After RA’s ship is detonated the children walk from out the pyramid on the planet squinting in to the sunlight.

The second time the Stargate is activated the shots of it activating are missing. The Stargate on the Alien world activating is also missing.

Some of these cuts appear to be censorship related to maintain a PG / 13 Rating. Some appear to be Budget related but some cuts like the Children not being Nuked make very little sense to be excluded.

Ok now that is settled. If you have any thoughts on Stargate Movie or TV Series from now until the end of July is a good time to share them with me. As If I do decide to start this then it will be some time in August possibly.

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Are you going to write a cut/change list before you start editing? I’d love to read what you’ve got planned.

I haven’t seen the movie or tv series in a few years but I seem to remember there being some continuity problems between them. Have you noticed anything and are you planning on addressing it if you do find some?

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I think proposed changelist is what I will do. This is actually going to be quite tricky. But I hope I have just enough skill to pull it off.

If not then I may need some help.

Basically the general premise is to put as much of the missing material back in the film as possible.

It will be DVD quality as the missing shots are in this quality. I also hope to improve some shots and special effects slightly.

The Film canon is what I am adhering to not really the tv series but it will come in handy to solve some problems.

The audio will be mainly sourced from the pioneer theatrical version as it is the best sounding. I am not fond of surround sound mixes they just ruin the original sound of films most of the time.

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Just throwing this out there but does anyone have this.

It is a CD-ROM making of disc. I have heard there is stuff on this that you can not find anywhere else but I have also read that the video included on the disc is ?postage stamp size? what ever that means I guess low quality and small. Then there is also the issue of running the disc and extracting the contents also. And would it even be able to use it.

Basically I am trying pool all the deleted footage I can find from various sources.

I am hoping to construct a cut that runs around + 10 - 12 minutes longer than the directors cut from what I have seen so far.

Some shots will require vfx to be added which will be the most tricky part for me but some decent preparation I should be able to achieve this as I do not plan on doing anything too difficult. Or at least I don’t think it will be too difficult.

But if someone talented and knew what they were doing was interested in heading up a number of effects shots (Not a massive amount) then I would ask you PM me if you are interested in having some fun with this. It is mostly Staff Lasers and hits and Stargate puddles and a couple of re-comps.

Anyway let me know if you have the CD-ROM and what is on it…

I think I may have it or most of it? but it has hard coded french subtitles… and it is in 240p (So that will have to be super resolutioned to be of any use and even then) I don’t know if it would be a perfect match to the DVD.

But there is some great deleted shots in it and I really want to use all of it.

If you are in the USA can you watch this link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjYAczLDzQ

It says it is blocked in the UK

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So do I!

I have got a copy of the CD-Rom in the post so I will let you know what is on it anyway when it arrives. Providing I can get it to run.

I doubt the footage I have is from the CD-rom now. But a quick question is the documentary footage where the tribe run’s towards the pyramid in the making of documentary to the music of “Jurrasic Park” on the Blu - Ray?

I have also bought the Blu-Ray because it might be on there. I don’t know where to find this making of documentary but it has some great deleted scenes in it.

Here is a rough color test on what I think it should look like in the command room. This is only rough but it is meant to have a blue tint like this in the clip.

https://vimeo.com/171197327

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Ok the CD arrived and it is quite a nice collectors item it has 2 posters and the CD-Rom in a big box.

There is a few clips on it you cannot find anywhere else but it is small sized footage. It’s not anything completely significant but it is nice to see all the same and the test will be upsacling it to DVD quality.

The documentary I am looking for though is still evading my search. I bought the blu-ray hoping it would be on there and the documentary is on there but the deleted scenes have been edited out of it.

On the Blu Ray it is listed as “the making of Stargate” and “Original Stargate previews” but I am trying to find the original unedited documentary. Can anyone tell me if this was released on DVD?

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There is a few clips on it you cannot find anywhere else but it is small sized footage. It’s not anything completely significant but it is nice to see all the same and the test will be upsacling it to DVD quality.

The documentary I am looking for though is still evading my search. I bought the blu-ray hoping it would be on there and the documentary is on there but the deleted scenes have been edited out of it.

On the Blu Ray it is listed as “the making of Stargate” and “Original Stargate previews” but I am trying to find the original unedited documentary. Can anyone tell me if this was released on DVD?

I have the special edition DVD with an extended cut, that has the documentary on the second disc.

Is this the one you are talking about?

I can’t remember if it has deleted scenes in but can check once I finish work if you like?

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-1-TPM-game-sounds-files/id/15201/page/1

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I have the UK special edition and the US special edition 2 disc version so I have bought and checked them.

Unless you have the French DVD it might be on there?

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I have the UK special edition and the US special edition 2 disc version so I have bought and checked them.

Unless you have the French DVD it might be on there?

I will double check, however I think I have the UK 2 disc special edition.

So is the documentary you are looking for the one on the 2 disc but with added deleted scenes?

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-1-TPM-game-sounds-files/id/15201/page/1

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The documentary on the US ultimate edition 2 disc set is not the documentary it is a new one. But the old original making of is on Blu Ray but with the deleted material edited out.

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I imagine it would be but I am not sure… Basically it is in 4:3 and is all footage from 1994. It was made at the same time as the film. It is split in to different sections. As I said it has music to jurassic park when the natives make their uprising against the pyramid. But there are more deleted scenes than this.

I have the UK single disc directors cut done by Kinowelt in Germany.

I have the documentary in 240p but I want to get it in 480p if possible.

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Ronster said:

I imagine it would be but I am not sure… Basically it is in 4:3 and is all footage from 1994. It was made at the same time as the film. It is split in to different sections. As I said it has music to jurassic park when the natives make their uprising against the pyramid. But there are more deleted scenes than this.

I have the UK single disc directors cut done by Kinowelt in Germany.

I have the documentary in 240p but I want to get it in 480p if possible.

I will have a good look at my set for you.

I am proud to say I remember the 80’s!

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-1-TPM-game-sounds-files/id/15201/page/1

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After seeing Independence Day: Resurgence, this weekend, I just watched Stargate again. Really like it, and only Emmerich film that I think is any good. I don’t think the editing is the cause of any of the weaknesses in Stargate, so I doubt a fan edit would do any good, but good luck.

Biggest problems to me:

  1. The film intimates that Catherine’s team had already decoded the first six ciphers on Stargate combination, and they only needed to figure out the seventh and final one. This is really, really stupid, because they could have just tried every cipher for the last symbol until the combination worked. I think in reality what happened is that they thought only six symbols were needed, and it was Daniel who made the discovery that the combination was seven symbols long. But the film messes this up, big time.

  2. The soldiers who go through the Stargate with Colonel O’Neill and Jackson, those guys are really not believable as elite soldiers. Pretty much worst special ops team I’ve ever seen on film.

  3. Daniel’s character doesn’t exhibit any vulnerabilities in the film, and I think this is really a mistake on the part of the director. Colonel O’Neill has the whole subplot of his son’s death, and there’s some real weakness for him there, but Daniel doesn’t have anything. People walk out of his speech and he just laughs at himself. The soldiers punch him and he just shrugs it off. They throw his belongings out into the open desert and he sits down and eats a candy bar. Really messed up on his character I think.

Finally, the story is not bold enough to embrace some horror elements and until the ending it doesn’t really have many moments of joy either. Emotional rollercoasters are necessary and lacking.

Not sure if you can fix any of these things with a post production edit and no new footage. But I still love the film regardless of it’s flaws, don’t understand how anyone can hate it at all.

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Yeah you are right about some of these flaws and I really am not sure what I can do about those points you raise.

I will type in my rough list of things that I am considering some of which are fully decided.

  1. Intro before credits from special edition will remove the Mothership to save the reveal for later and restore music
  2. Show the lift in the elevator shaft decending in to the base the first time daniel arrives
  3. Extended version of the first time Stargate opens
  4. The base will be evacuated upon the mission is green lit.
  5. Extended Ra mothership Landing
  6. Show Ra emerging from his Sarcofagus in the correct scenes in front of the captured soldier
  7. Extended Nagada attack by Gliders
  8. Various extra location & Landscape shots
  9. When James Spader & Kurt Russel are taken before RA there will be more violence and more Guards get killed
  10. Daniel will have a vision before he is resurrected by RA
  11. Extended Sequence where Daniel is ordered to Kill his comrades
  12. Extra shots of Death Gliders and extended final Battle
  13. you will see RA lose his Hand
  14. I will try and save RA’s kids in the teleport Rings
  15. Restore the music cues to the celebration Salute Sequence and Dialogue
  16. Color Correct the film closer to the VHS colors
  17. Re-do some effects shots or use alternative footage.

It is more complicated than that but generally this is the Plan. And it is about getting the tone to be better and be a bit more violent / action / gore. The current Special Edition will be extended.

In reference to “Jackson has Identified the 7th Symbol”

I will probably change it to “Jackson has Identified the 7 symbols” they could have got that far with a different combination but It clearly was not the correct one in the right sequence or it can also mean that they have never got that far before when the line “THIS is as far as we have ever been able to get” is said.

Daniel does exhibit a weakness of falling in love and putting others in Jepordy for his feelings. But it also gives him the strength to fight rather than be a coward. He finds something to fight for that is his Arc.

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One thing you can easily fix in the editing are the uneven supers. The HD version I just watched scrubbed out all of the original supers, which were mostly unnecessary, but I found it highly annoying that the “Giza, Egypt 1928” super was missing from the prologue.

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Yeah I thought a bit about the subtitles… I am using the region 1 Ultimate edition dvd as the main source but do plan to keep original captions not really thought about the 8000 years BC one might be better off left unexplained and a bit dumb to keep it.

But I might alter the text of ancient egyptian subtitle translations. I really don’t like that yellow font and it will be burned in white as one version I have simply does not play the English translation. But I thought about an Egypt style font for the subs.

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OK I THINK I FOUND THE SOURCE OF THE MYSTERIOUS DOCUMENTARY THAT HAS BEEN EDITED

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Making-of-Stargate-Rare-8-NEW-Japan-Only-LaserDisc-Sci-Fi-/141861154575

So it’s a Japanese only 8" Laserdisc.

Damn that will difficult to not only buy but no Laser disc player.😦

This is the documentary I am looking for in original form as it is here!!!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3jo1v_making-of-du-film-stargate-part-1_shortfilms

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lhwt_making-of-stargate-part-2_shortfilms

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The Panic is over on these shots… I have super resolutioned it and it is good enough to use but only just.

So I don’t know if I will end up with an extra 10 minutes now but it will have within the region of 60 - 70 extra shots. Most being about 2 or 3 seconds long. I am getting more excited for that old grittier look. And a much darker tone. Becoming more against updating special effects but I still might as long as I can make it look of the time.

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Another thing I thought of: you could mess around with the playback speed on the Stargate. I was just doing this on my editing suite. The last scene when Colonel O’Neill steps through Stargate and returns home, you can lag the video a little at the beginning and then accelerate as it moves towards the end with the movements and music cues. Thought it looked pretty good that way.

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Well funny you should mention the wormhole sequence. Although undecided exactly what to do with the wormhole sequences the David Arnold Score is missing the Drums (1st wormhole sequence). So they edited this to be different.

I want to re-create the version that is in the trailer though at least as far as the swishes go. Either I will add the Drums to the wormhole or I will add a Low Rumble like in the trailer or both so definitely new sound mix on this.

I am not to keen on the whirring sounds in the original film it’s ok but I think the wormhole sequences could do with some kind of update but nothing too radical. The Documentary has a different sound mix that I posted above so it must have had numerous iterations of the sequence.

The Color of the Animation is also far too white in all recent versions. probably too much gamma.

I think it’s a real shame that on that end sequence we don’t actually see the gate activated and I think it would be a great addition to show the gate activate in the Pyramid It’s like a wasted opportunity and excuse for more of a build up to the end It says mission accomplished in my eyes. And feels a bit cheap TV movie at that point over budget as it currently stands. Thinking laterally I could show the Gate on Earth open and then cut back to the Gate on Abydos.

The other thing that is probably another definite decision now is removing the effect from within the teleport rings and having them just go white rather than show the badly composited squiggly lines.

The helmet morphs will look a lot better when the colors are corrected.

One fix I really want to make is the Guard that Daniel kills for killing Sha’re (His New found love). So In this shot Daniel fires 3 shots we only hear one shot and there is no physical effect for the last 2 impacts and I also want to add a residue burn for each consecutive hit.

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Why not use the most current Blu-ray release for this edit? Why use the inferior DVD?

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Why not use the most current Blu-ray release for this edit? Why use the inferior DVD?

Because to get some of the deleted footage in the film it can only be found in either 480p or 240p. Be glad that the 240p footage is going to be comparable to the 720 x 576 footage.

I also don’t have a very powerful computer and don’t want to spend money on a new one to do this. I want to extend the film with the deleted scenes and I can not do that in HD so I am not doing it in HD and going to make a SD extended cut.

It’s probably possible to do but I do not know how to upscale something over 4 times the resolution to make it comparable. It’s not about pixels put it that way. And also the sound mix on pioneer dvd is better than Blu Ray, the Blu ray sounds heavily subdued compared to the OLD Pioneer mix because it gradually get’s watered down as it goes through successive releases when additional mixing is done on it especially to create 7.1 mix.

In a nutshell the new Blu-ray does not sound as good as it should and it also don’t look like I remember it. So I am making a new Special edition.

Something that has also become of interest to myself personally is when deleted footage from films ends up in other media or TV series or even other films. And Stargate happens to be one of those.

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^ This is how I remember the wormhole and it’s exactly this color I want it to be.

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