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I wouldn't buy the current revision for more than a tenth of their asking price!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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TV's Frink said:

Fang Zei said:

I similarly stopped spending money on anything Lucasfilm-related years ago because of the OOT's continued absence.

 I bought the Blu-rays so I can enjoy Harmy's restorations.

Used, right? This would check the box you want to check, but not give any of your money to LFL.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Will the theatrical version ever see an official release? I think in ten years we will still be complaining about the originals still not being available on Blu-Ray or whatever format takes its place by then. The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions, and Disney will certainly purge any fan preservations by this point, because of Steamboat Willie.

the only option is to stage a protest in front of the Disney, Fox, and Lucasfilm headquarters until they release the originals. Maybe even occupy the Capitol to protest the currently ludicrous copyright laws that are destroying creativity right now. We've gone nearly twenty years without the OOT, and I'm not gonna spend another 20 without them.

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generalfrevious said:

The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions

I'm surprised to be saying this to you, but you are not being nearly pessimistic enough.  The 4K thread contains some pretty strong evidence that we'll see yet another variation of the Special Editions, based on a 4K 97SE scan, but with changes piled on top of that.  The hydra still has a few heads left.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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CatBus said:

generalfrevious said:

The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions

I'm surprised to be saying this to you, but you are not being nearly pessimistic enough.  The 4K thread contains some pretty strong evidence that we'll see yet another variation of the Special Editions, based on a 4K 97SE scan, but with changes piled on top of that.  The hydra still has a few heads left.

 I suppose I could go look at that thread again and not be lazy. But isn't the strong evidence just people who claimed to have seen it with no proof? (people who previously claimed it was the April 2015 digital release, until that came out and then "corrected" themselves)

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CatBus said:

generalfrevious said:

The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions

I'm surprised to be saying this to you, but you are not being nearly pessimistic enough.  The 4K thread contains some pretty strong evidence that we'll see yet another variation of the Special Editions, based on a 4K 97SE scan, but with changes piled on top of that.  The hydra still has a few heads left.

 Well what changes could they make without George Lucas? Will Disney now put in bullshit changes of their own every seven years until the end of time? Then we have lost forever, straight into the dustbin of history. What a fucking horrible time to be a SW fan; we're drifting further and further away from the originals. Disney is now worse than Lucas.

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They haven't even done anything yet!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Attention, attention, Disney now more evil than Lucas, Star Wars ruined forever, fan edits classified as high treason, generalfrevous ends up being right.

Thankfully, we all die soon because of global warming, so we don't have to live without the OOT for too long.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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Just think, out of the 38 years that SW has existed as a franchise, we have suffered for 32 of them. And the suffering is far from over.

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towne32 said:

 I suppose I could go look at that thread again and not be lazy. But isn't the strong evidence just people who claimed to have seen it with no proof? (people who previously claimed it was the April 2015 digital release, until that came out and then "corrected" themselves)

No, it's based on a pretty fleeting but nevertheless concrete preview clip from Reliance Media.  Whether the 4K scan will ever amount to anything, be released as a consumer product, etc, is still an open question, but somebody's doing something, and that something oddly doesn't exactly match any previous release, at least in the preview clip (it would have been helpful if they included the Han/Jabba scene or something that helped nail down the clip's pedigree, but the clips are from scenes that weren't changed much, so it took our neighborhood lightsaber-glow-specialists and whatnot to sort out what it was).

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generalfrevious said:

 Well what changes could they make without George Lucas? Will Disney now put in bullshit changes of their own every seven years until the end of time? Then we have lost forever, straight into the dustbin of history. What a fucking horrible time to be a SW fan; we're drifting further and further away from the originals. Disney is now worse than Lucas.

The Reliance project was started before the Disney deal.  What they do with that project is yet to be seen--maybe they'll can it, maybe they'll let it go along whatever path it's already heading (simple corporate inertia will keep it on this track for a while), and maybe they'll intervene to change it into a proper 4K restoration of the OOT.  I think the evil is yet to be demonstrated, at least with these particular films.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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towne32 said:

 I suppose I could go look at that thread again and not be lazy. But isn't the strong evidence just people who claimed to have seen it with no proof? (people who previously claimed it was the April 2015 digital release, until that came out and then "corrected" themselves)

No, it's based on a pretty fleeting but nevertheless concrete preview clip from Reliance Media.  Whether the 4K scan will ever amount to anything, be released as a consumer product, etc, is still an open question, but somebody's doing something, and that something oddly doesn't exactly match any previous release, at least in the preview clip (it would have been helpful if they included the Han/Jabba scene or something that helped nail down the clip's pedigree, but the clips are from scenes that weren't changed much, so it took our neighborhood lightsaber-glow-specialists and whatnot to sort out what it was).

 Ah, okay. I hadn't seen, or don't remember, the lightsaber discussion. Obviously the color timing of it is yet another interpretation (and hopefully what we saw was a work in progress).

Assuming they plan on doing an actual release of the new scan and it really is the 1997 print, they presumably are going to either 'roll' the film(s) forward or backward to 2011+ or 1977/1981. It wouldn't really make sense to release specifically the 1997 version. Fans of the 2011, ironically, might be confused or find it inferior. Obviously, fans of the OOT won't care aside from chopping it to bits for preservations. 

I suppose the most likely explanation is that the 2004-2011 changes were made in 1080p only. Do we know if that's the case? These parts would need to be redone or upscaled or something.

Still, if there is any truth at all to the 1977 negatives being problematic and degraded, would it be reasonable for them to have used the 1997 negatives for the bulk of the film and 'despecialized' from there?

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towne32 said:

I suppose the most likely explanation is that the 2004-2011 changes were made in 1080p only. Do we know if that's the case? These parts would need to be redone or upscaled or something. 

Well, anything filmed while on set of Revenge of the Sith is in 1080p for sure (i.e., ghost Anakin and Ian McDiarmid's emperor).

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If the negatives are too degraded, I think Mike Verta's route of using 35 mm prints would be the most logical. Since they are probably in the process of converting the OT to 3D like the PT, the Reliance project is most likely based on the '97 negative. They wil need to redo/update the 2004/2011 changes, and redo the color grading. My guess is that this is being done under GL's supervision, since I can't see them altering any of the films without his blessing. 

All three films could be released in theatres in 3D for the 40th anniversary, followed by a deluxe 3D bluray boxset, that may or may not contain the originals. They might even release Legacy to test the waters next year, and then restore the other two for the 2017 bluray set, if Legacy is successful. Alternatively they might keep Legacy under wraps until 2017, and release it together with the others as bonus material. This is all speculation of course.

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This is also assuming Legacy becomes an official version, which I really, really hope it does.

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Wazzles said:

This is also assuming Legacy becomes an official version, which I really, really hope it does.

 Probably wishful thinking, but fingers are crossed anyway!

Fox's remaining grip is specific to home video releases, right? They could, in theory, make some money off the OOT in a theatrical run in the meantime?

Also, since they love milking fans with double/triple/quad/etc dipping, assuming they *do* ever bother with OOT, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we saw individual staggered releases of ESB and RotJ as the negatives should be in better shape and distribution rights are guaranteed to shift to Disney.

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The special editions should have NEVER existed inthe first place. Everything else would have been more tolerable if Lucas didn't add CGI and nonsensical scenes to decades old movies, and then wipe the originals from existence. 

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He's got a point there.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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FrankT said:

He's got a point there.

 And yet everyone except the people on this particular website has accepted the SE as the ONLY version that will ever exist from now on.

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generalfrevious said:

FrankT said:

He's got a point there.

 And yet everyone except the people on this particular website has accepted the SE as the ONLY version that will ever exist from now on.

edit: nevermind, I can't read.

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We have lost. We are on the fringes now. We lost not because we were unwilling, but because Lucasfilm/Disney had better weapons.

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There are plenty of people elsewhere who reject the SE's. It's not just us. I've seen comments on the HTF and similar sentiments on Twitter.

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

There are plenty of people elsewhere who reject the SE's. It's not just us. I've seen comments on the HTF and similar sentiments on Twitter.

 That still doesn't mean the OOT will be released anytime in the near future. I've been here for nearly ten years and we are in the same situation as it was back then. The SE still remain the only versions available, and when the GOUT was finally released, the originals were regarded as "bonus features" and not even up to the video standards of the time. That was probably the VERY LAST TIME they will ever be commercially available. And is there any film that deserves a proper release more badly than Star Wars?

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Yes, but unlike ten years ago, we have people with access to 35mm prints and the means to scan them properly. The OOT will not vanish so long as fans labor to keep it alive. It will be out there for the people that are willing to look for it.

So, in other words...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYh7PwDo3Iw

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Where were you in '77?

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I have absolutely NO problem with the fact that the special edition(s) exist. My only problem is that I can't legally watch the movies which I fell in love with when I was a kid in a normal format which doesn't look like crap on my HDTV