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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher

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Although we all are in a state of shock and sadness right now about the tragic loss of Ms. Fisher, I’d like to start a new thread for folks to discuss what may become of the future of the franchise without Princess (General) Leia.

I really do hope they don’t try to resurrect her with CGI and perhaps allow her an off screen death in the next installment. Maybe natural causes being unable to live without Han or the thought of her son killing Han literally destroyed her.

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darthrush said:

Since principal photography is completed for episode 8, she will be featured in there. But Johnson, as writer of episodes 8 and 9, will have an interesting challenge ahead of him.

That, I did not know. So that’s good and I’m certain it will be dedicated to her.

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So there’s 4 possibilities: CGI, recast, have her off screen in IX, or recycle unused takes.

The first three have obvious downsides, while the 4th has the limitation of being entirely dependent on what exists of Carrie footage at this age, and still requires a fine hand in order to make sure someone doesn’t notice edits.

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There’s also the possibility that Leia’s story arc reaches a conclusion next year.


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I would be shocked and appalled if they tried to include her character or likeness on-screen in IX.
The real question is how to rework elegantly the overall story arc of XIII (already shot) and IX (heavily written and pre-produced) to accommodate her absence from the screen in IX.
One way would be to reference her fate in the crawl to IX, which would fit into the in media res opening sequence of the original film, but not really the rest, since none of the rest had significant story-points take place in between installments.

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There is also the possibility of splitting her work and sharing it across both of the next two movies so she has a presence in the whole trilogy. as we found with Rogue One films are often restructured after shoots and there is a tendency to film more than finally needed. I would just film more stuff with Mark and the new peeps and allow the Leia footage to bridge both films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Bingowings said:

There is also the possibility of splitting her work and sharing it across both of the next two movies so she has a presence in the whole trilogy. as we found with Rogue One films are often restructured after shoots and there is a tendency to film more than finally needed. I would just film more stuff with Mark and the new peeps and allow the Leia footage to bridge both films.

The main reason I haven’t looked at things like that is on the question of reshoots. I heard a rumour (Though I don’t know whether to believe it’s true or false, but I want to say false) that Rian Johnson didn’t actually schedule a lot of reshooting time for VIII, limiting the amount of new material that could be made from a reshoot.

If so there may only be so much that can be done to rectify in VIII her absence in IX’s shooting.

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Alderaan said:

She gave us everything she had (on screen) in Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.

That’s all we’ll ever need.

Not the time nor the thread for that debate.


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SilverWook said:

Not the time nor the thread for that debate.

There shouldn’t even be a thread about it all. She graced us with her presence in films we’ve all loved for so long. We should be thankful for the legacy she left us, not pondering what the plot in the next movie will be without her, mere hours after she just died.

But that’s the last I will say on the subject.

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It’s possible to do both. There’s no disrespect in wondering how things will play out in the sequels. (There was similar discussion in Trek circles right after Anton Yelchin died last summer.) I guarantee you there isn’t a dry eye at Lucasfilm today, but they have to deal with this.

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Alderaan said:

too soon

It does feel this way to me as well. Now seems the time to celebrate her past performances and look forward to her remaining ones, rather than worry about what comes after.

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Everybody is coping in their own way. Best to take a deep breath and scroll past something that upsets you today.


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Rian has almost a year before the next one comes out. There is time to really think it through.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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I will stay on topic:
My pragmatic proposal would be to give her a CGI resurrection in EP IX and a death or unknown whereabouts in the first half of the movie. It will be 2019 by the time the movie comes out, people will not be as upset as they were if it happened next year. I would rather like to see some angry fans in 2019 than many confused people in the decades after the release, especially first-time viewers, maybe our kids. They will sit there and ask “But where is that General Leia from the last movie? Was she not in one imporant role?”. Better give a movie with one more CGI character to the next generations than an awkward excuse for a missing character or a plot hole. And maybe CGI will be better in 2018 (production time). Haven’t seen much of Tarkin from Rogue One yet, maybe it’s already good enough.
Provided her family agrees.

Or if they planned to keep the role as small or even smaller than in EP VII, disappearing through the plot (as suggested, for example in the crawl) might be feasible.

Maybe they are lucky and EP VIII already has such an ending that it can be instrumentalized for one or more deaths.

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Darth Id on 'Why "Ben"?':

And while we're at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill's character "Luke Skywalker," since it's my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn't make sense! 

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle "Luke"!

Damn You!!!!!

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I don’t think I could take a CGI Fisher die in front of my eyes, that’s the epitome of tastelessness for me.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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Ok. Maybe not on-screen, fixed that now.

Darth Id on 'Why "Ben"?':

And while we're at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill's character "Luke Skywalker," since it's my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn't make sense! 

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle "Luke"!

Damn You!!!!!

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I guess there’s the really unlikely possibility they already killed her character in this movie.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I think resurrecting a 20-years-dead actor for a relatively minor role is quite different from using a CG likeness of a recently decreased actress playing a main character.

Depends on how big her role in EP VIII will be. Even in VII, she did not feel like a main character to me.

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Darth Id on 'Why "Ben"?':

And while we're at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill's character "Luke Skywalker," since it's my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn't make sense! 

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle "Luke"!

Damn You!!!!!

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Honestly, I don’t have a problem if her absence in the ninth movie causes story problems. I would prefer it over CGI, recast, or a shoe-horned death scene. I hope the writers have enough taste to not play on our emotions over her death in the next two movies.

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