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Star Wars: SDTV & HDTV digital broadcast database - Updated: 2017-05-16 11:30 CET

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Star Wars - 1997 Special Edition - SDTV

Flunk - Beta Digicam (Broadcast source); English DD 2.0 256kbps, English DTS 5.0
notes: no subs at all; some garbage frames; image width wider than any SDTV and LD versions
EP IV - 1xDVD9 6.62GB
(EP V was announced, but should be confirmed; EP VI not available for sure)

G’Kar - Germany (Premiere); German DD 5.1, English DD 5.1, English DD 2.0
notes: German subs (in picture) for alien dialogs; pink blanket in some scenes
EP IV - 1xDVD5 3.71GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 3.78GB
EP VI - 1xDVD5 4.29GB

TB - Scandinavia (Canal+); English DD 2.0 192kbps
notes: no subs at all; pink blanket in some scenes
EP IV - 1xDVD5 4.45GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 4.37GB
EP VI - 1xDVD5 4.23GB

Reivax - France (Canal+); French DD 2.0, English DD 2.0
EP IV - 1xDVD

RaiTre - Italy (Rai Tre); Italian DD 2.0 384kbps
notes: Italian subs (in picture) for alien dialogs; aspect Ratio cropped to 2.0:1; EP IV has few garbage frames; EP VI missing few frames; completely different color grading from any other sources but 2004 DVD menus.
EP IV - 1xDVD5 4.11GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 4.15GB
EP VI - 2xDVD5 4.96GB

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Star Wars - Theatrical version SDTV

TB - Scandinavia (Canal+); English DD 2.0 192kbps
notes: no subs at all
EP I - 1xDVD5 - 3.99GB

EP I -> Germany (Premiere) - to be confirmed
German DD 5.1

EP I -> Austria (ORF 1) - to be confirmed

Star Wars - Theatrical version HDTV

EP I -> Austria (ORF 1 HD) - to be confirmed

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Star Wars - 2004 Special Edition HDTV (same as DVD)

Premiere - Germany (2007) - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng+ger audio, eng comm.

  • c-sw1h264/Star.Wars.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (17.78 GB)
  • c-sw2h264/Star.Wars.II.Attack.Of.The.Clones.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (18.42 GB)
  • c-sw3h264/Star.Wars.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (17.62 GB)
  • c-sw4h264/Star.Wars.IV.A.New.Hope.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (15.79 GB)
  • c-sw5h264/Star.Wars.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (16.61 GB)
  • c-sw6h264/Star.Wars.VI.The.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts (17.41 GB)

Sky - UK (2007) - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng audio

  • Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.H264.1080p.AC3.5.1-aB.ts (15.28 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1980.H264.1080p.AC3.5.1.aB.ts (16.16 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1983.H264.1080p.AC3.5.1-aB.ts (16.79 GB)

Sky - UK - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng+fre audio & subs

  • Star.Wars.Episode.I.La.Menace.Fantome.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (17,93 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.II.Lattaque.Des.Clones.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (17.93 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.III.La.Revanche.Des.Siths.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (17.72 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.IV.Un.Nouvel.Espoir.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (15.46 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.V.Lempire.Contre.Attaque.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (15.68 GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Le.Retour.Du.Jedi.MULTI.1080p.HDTV.x264-HDF.mkv (17.18 GB)

should be Sky & Premiere combinedcould be not re-encoded* h264 23.976fps 1920x1080

  • Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.HDTV.1080p.mkv (18.98 GB = 19902683 KB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.Of.The.Clones.2002.HDTV.1080p.mkv (19.46 GB = 20402954 KB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.2005.HDTV.1080p.mkv (18.35 GB = 19239946 KB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.HDTV.1080p.mkv (17.17 GB = 18006355 KB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1980.HDTV.1080p.mkv (18.43 GB = 19324258 KB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1983.HDTV.1080p.mkv (18.53 GB = 19430153 KB)

Cinemax - US 2006 - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080 eng audio

  • Star Wars 4 A New Hope.ts (15.36 GB = 16110426 KB)
  • Star Wars 5 The Empire Strikes Back.ts (16.52 GB = 17319140 KB)
  • Star Wars 6 Return of the Jedi.ts (16.59 GB = 17399141 KB)

??? (probably Cinemax) - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080

  • Star.Wars.Episode.II-Attack.Of.The.Clones(2002).HDTV.1080p.ts
    a.k.a. StarWars_Episode II_1080p_Remux.ts (19.94 GB = 20908774 KB)

  • Star Wars 3 Revenge of the Sith.ts (18.49 GB = 19392756 KB)

    not found:

  • Star Wars 1 The Phantom Menace.ts

Premiere - Germany (2006)

  • Star.Wars.Episode.4.Eine.Neue.Hoffnung.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv

    not found:

  • Star.Wars.Episode.5.Das.Imperium.Schlägt.Zurück.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv

  • Star.Wars.Episode.6.Die.Rückkehr.Der.Jedi-Ritter.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv

unknown (could be Sky)

  • Star.Wars.Episode.I-The.Phantom.Menace(1999).HDTV.1080p.ts

  • Star.Wars.Episode.II-Attack.Of.The.Clones(2002).HDTV.1080p.ts

    not found:

  • Star.Wars.Episode.III-Revenge.Of.The.Sith(2005).HDTV.1080p.ts

Other:

Spike TV (2008) - all six episodes
Dish Network
Comcast - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080
HBO - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080

***** WARNING: RE-ENCODED!!! *** AVOID THESE *****

Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.Of.The.Clones.2002.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.2005.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1980.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1983.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV

Format : x264
Source : HDTV
Resolution : 1920x816
Audio : AC3 5.1 384 kbit/s English
Subtitles : English

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Star Wars - 2011 Special Edition HDTV (same as BD) EXCEPT Ep. IV

Sky Hits cable channel - Germany (may 2017)

  • The_Phantom_Menace_1999_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (5.36GB)
  • Attack_Of_The_Clones_2002_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (5.33GB)
  • Revenge_Of_The_Sith_2005_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (6.42GB)
  • A_New_Hope_1977_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (5.81GB)
  • Return_Of_The_Jedi_1983_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (7.03GB)
  • The_Empire_Strikes_Back_1980_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (5.58GB)
  • The_Force_Awakens_2015_HDTV_UNTOUCHED_SkyGermany_H264_1080i_DD_de_eng_DISCO.ts (5.48GB)

Source: Sky hitc DVB-C
Video: AVC, 1080i 25fps 1920x1080 bitrate 5mbps avg 10mbps max
Audio: AC3 2.0 384kbps German, AC3 2.0 192kbps English
Subtitles: German hardcoded, crawler in German as well
Notes: no logo, bit-perfect capture
Notes: more info here http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1075989

HUGE THANKS TO disco4000, who has recorded the broadcast transmission!

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Star Wars - 2011 Special Edition HDTV (same as BD)

WOWOW - Japan (november 2016)

  • Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts (17GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1980.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts (17.4GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1983.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts (18.4GB)
  • Star.Wars.Episode.VII.The.Force.Awakens.2015.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts (20.2GB)

not recorded:

  • Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts
  • Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.Of.The.Clones.2002.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts
  • Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.2005.HDTV.MPEG2.1080i.AAC.5.1.WOWOW.m2ts

Source : WOWOW HDTV
Video : MPEG-2, 1080i 29.97fps 1920x1080 bitrate 19.5mbps avg 35mbps max
Audio : AAC 5.1 48KHz Japanese vbr
Subtitles: Only for alien dialogs, hardcoded, EP IV in the lower black bar, EP VI in picture
Subtitles: EP VII all hardcoded, one line in black bar, top of the two lines in picture
Notes: Small WOWOW logo on top right black bar
Notes: Color grading: EP IV is different than Blu-ray; EP V VI VII are the same of Blu-ray
Notes: Crawl: EP IV Japanese intro and crawl, EP V English narrated, EP VI English with subs in picture
Notes: Original recorded files include SW specials and spots at the beginning and end
Notes: new files, cut and remuxed to m2ts with tsMuxer, containing only movie

HUGE THANKS TO MOLLY, who has recorded the broadcast transmission!

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Some old WOWOW info - should apply to 2004 version, because was posted in 2010

: [名無し]さん(bin+cue).rar[] 投稿日:2010/08/22(日) 10:34:33 ID:NhXBMSwL0 [1/1回(PC)]
再放流お願いします。
サイズが大きいためか、抜けているところが多く完走しません。

(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP1(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,255,939,584 a65c83003a97269a463600a4fd57232884802a4b
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP2(吹替え).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 23,366,719,488 33273a597f8a003d53ffc855388757b6f184828c
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP3(吹替え).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,890,952,704 19bed94556bbcca61aba3359463e36f41f147d8c
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP4(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 21,000,781,824 fd79e5f4e5b3e9733bc6ba0e8b06d3e5a04dcc95
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP5(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 21,007,435,776 f0f8c31937dcd2acd1021611c2ee0c40a7a902fe
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP6(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,681,411,584 64f6af9489e7162354d2e9a15de855959853284a

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I’m trying to find out which SDTV and HDTV versions of Star Wars are floating around the net, and to understand something more about them…

Some facts (and factoids) I found so far:

  • OUT should be not available on digital form, but eventually only recorded on VHS, Betamax or Video 2000
  • 1997 SE are available only on SDTV - PAL 720x576 25fps, don’t know if any NTSC versions are around; I recorded myself the RaiTre version - with a DVD recorder connected via a SCART RGB cable to a DTV decoder; quality is quite low, some garbage frames, cropped to 2:1, but if there is some interest I could think to upload it - screenshots of Reivax, Flunx, TB, GKar here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Max-Rebos-97-SE-superset-preservation/post/323245/#TopicPost323245
  • The Phantom Menace is available for sure in SD on the so-called “TB” version; according to this page - http://www.starwars-union.de/nachrichten/1113/StarWars_im_digitalen_Format - it was broadcasted in 2001 by German TV Premiere, in 16:9 and German 5.1 DD audio; it was also noted by a member of this forum that it was broadcasted by Austrian ORF1, first in SD, then in HD - no evidence of that until now
  • It seems that no Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith theatrical versions were never broadcasted - but I’ll be more than happy to discover the opposite!
  • HDTV broadcasting valid resolutions are:
    1280x720 1280x1080 1440x1080 1440x1088 1920x1080 1920x1088
    so any resolution different from those ones are necessarily re-encoded; until now, available versions use only the last two ones - even if there seems that at least one 1280x1080 version was broadcasted
  • HDTV valid video codecs are MPEG-2 and h264 (a.k.a. AVC); any other codec - like VC-1, WMV, DivX etc. are necessarily re-encoded
  • HDTV valid audio codecs are AC3, MP2, AAC; any other codec - like DTS etc. are necessarily re-encoded
  • HDTV max average video bitrate is around 19mbps; the 30+GB floating some times ago may be recorded from cable TV, or re-encoded; actually, the biggest file size, including audio track(s), is around 20GB, while some lower bitrate versions are around 10GB
  • Usually HDTV broadcast have some kind of logo but, as far as I know, it seems there is no trace in any known available versions, so it means that for some particular reason these had no logo at all, or the logo was removed, and so they should be necessarily re-encoded
  • The only “untouched” HDTV file - recorded bit-perfect from a SAT or DTV PC card - has a .ts file extension (both for MPEG2 and h264); but .mkv or .mp4 could be found - it’s possible to mux untouched video and audio streams in these container, and add also further audio and/or sub tracks
  • HDTV versions use the same masters of the 2004 DVD SE; so, they are NOT the same versions found on BD - EXCEPT for the new WOWOW recordings
  • Video quality could range from fair to good, but not as good as the BD - due to lower HDTV bitrate; but the BD is DVNR’d so some shots/scenes could be better on HDTV than BD
  • Usually BD has a bigger frame size, while sometime the opposite is true:
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/99096
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/90179
  • HDTV may have different cropping and color grading:
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123357
  • Some versions may have glitches, some not (note the trousers):
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123360
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123361
    http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123362
  • Here you are a screenshot gallery of German Premiere HDTV original trilogy - even if the site claims pictures are from Cinemax, they are NOT, as you can see the German crawl:
    http://stormtrooperguy.com/gallery/index.php?cat=20

Notes:

  • updated data are in italic
  • some file size were in GiBibyte, so they were converted using 1GiB=1.074GB

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Nice summary, thanks for writing it all down.

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Darth Id on 'Why "Ben"?':

And while we're at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill's character "Luke Skywalker," since it's my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn't make sense! 

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle "Luke"!

Damn You!!!!!

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schorman13 said:

Great Work!  Thanks for this list.

Does anyone know where to find those French HDF versions?  They could be very helpful for version 2 of my HDTV project.  PM me if you can help.  Thanks.

 Found them.  PM sent.

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Thanks for the help stretch009!  It seems that ROTJ is still totally missing and ANH is missing part 12.  Any help would be much appreciated.  

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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None of these informations is probably going to be useful, but you never know:

-I "think" (I was just a kid back then :D) in 97-98 Mediaset also broadcasted the OT (probably the 1997 SE) either on Canale5 or Italia1;

-Also, some year after ROTS was released, they also broadcasted all six movies;

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The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!

By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!

By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)

I see: so the first Mediaset broadcasting I mentioned, either was still "Analog" SDTV or had to be recorded on VHS at that time, right?

In ogni caso, piacere :)

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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Yes, DVB transmissions started around 2004 IIRC, and DVD recorders were available around that year...

The only way to have an high quality OT version - but I strongly doubt it was transmitted - is a D2MAC european satellite broadcast, and a S-VHS (or other high resolution tape recorder) or a MUSE japanese satellite broadcast (using an high def master) and a W-VHS recorder... well, dream is still free - for the moment!

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Not sure if this info is of any use but here in Slovakia  a private TV "Markiza" showed the 1997 SEs (and theatrical cuts of episodes 1 & 2) about 2 million times since 2002, but dubbed (of course) and in 4:3 (episode 2 was a bizarre mix of cropped 4:3 and 16:9 footage "stretched" to 4:3). The latest broadcast I've seen however was the DVD version (I think cropped to 16:9)

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Thanks! Not useful for the *database*, but always interesting to know these info!

I found somewhere that the BD image is about 8% bigger (or the HDTV 8% cropped?) than the HDTV; someone could confim this? And what's about the other episodes?

Also, there was at least a D-VHS recording of a trilogy broadcast, made in 2003, so it was *not* the 2004 DVD version... maybe? (Thanks to Jetrell Fo for the info)

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I found somewhere that the BD image is about 8% bigger (or the HDTV 8% cropped?) than the HDTV; someone could confim this? And what's about the other episodes?

 For TPM the HDTV has the same 8% (or I've heard 10%) cropping in many (but not all) shots that the DVD has. The other episodes don't have that problem.

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towne32 said:

For TPM the HDTV has the same 8% (or I've heard 10%) cropping in many (but not all) shots that the DVD has. The other episodes don't have that problem.

Thanks for the info! You are right:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/99096
(third images seems to have both images from BD)

But... following this comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/90179
it seems there is at least one shot which has more image on HDTV...

Someone could confirm that the Premiere German HDTV has tiny 8 pixel borders on both sides?

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

But... following this comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/90179
it seems there is at least one shot which has more image on HDTV...

 I think I did recently read that there are a very few shots with more image on the DVD/HDTV version. Certainly this shot that was SE'ed in 2011 is less cropped: 

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html (The Neimoidian Viewscreen)

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OK, I searched all the web, from the surface to the deep, and still not found an MPEG2 version of EP1... or, better, there was at least a small version, around 9GB, but I guess there should be another - like the Cinemax ones - around 16/17GB... if someone is aware of its existence, please let me know.

Plus, it will be great to have a confirmation that there is an HDTV of the EP1 theatrical version - as it should have been broadcasted, following few scarces sources - while it seems there were no 1997 SE HDTV broadcast record - even if there are rumors that EP4 and EP5 were transmitted in UK, while EP6 was the 2004 version.

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!

By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)

I know I've mentioned this here before somewhere but there is a user over at AVSFourms who claims to have recorded the Trilogy using his DVHS system.  He responded to me only once and I believe he misunderstood me when I was asking if he'd make me copies.  Apparently there were HBO and Cinemax broadcasts.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/34-hdtv-programming/852324-all-6-star-wars-films-hbo-hd-june-1-2-a.html

 

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“Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.”
― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

― Socrates

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Yes, I remember it - I even retrieved the discussion on AVS... and noted is not online since few months IIRC... maybe you could try to contact some other AVS members from that very thread.

It will be great if such recordings will surface... it will be hard, frankly, but not impossible, because "I've… seen things you people wouldn't believe…" - as the MPEG2 versions of EP2 and EP3, that frankly I was not aware they exist until I made thorough searches!

At the end, I still got my Rai Tre SE trilogy, and maybe it's the only recording still available nowadays - if only I could find a way to go into their archive and grab those pro tapes somehow... (^^,)

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I sent a pm to another member to see if there was something floating around that I could get ahold of.

Patience is a virtue.

:)

“Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.”
― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

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