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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP — Page 2

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That’s been IX’s unofficial release date for a while now. I don’t know how that first became known, but in any event it’s official now.

The more interesting news here is that they pushed Indy 5 back a year (it was originally summer of 2019 IIRC). July 10 feels like such a random date, though. Maybe Paramount’s already staked out a Transformers movie for the end of June that year?

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Fang Zei said:

The more interesting news here is that they pushed Indy 5 back a year (it was originally summer of 2019 IIRC).

Makes sense, considering Spielberg’s absurdly busy schedule. Hopefully they don’t overthink the script this time around.

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TV’s Frink said:

Fang Zei said:

Indy 5

They should have killed his character in this franchise too…and I didn’t even mind 4!

I think Harrison Ford has a hit list of his most popular characters. First, Han Solo dies. Next, Rick Deckard, in Blade Runner: 2049 this fall, and Indiana Jones in Indy5.

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I hope Indy 5 never happens and I hope EPIX has a script by a competent screenwriter.

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Mocata said:

I hope EPIX has a script by a competent screenwriter.

Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly are writing it.

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Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly are writing it.

Oooh that’s bad…

I though Rian was writing it.

That’s good…!

Paramount’s already staked out a Transformers movie

Can I go now 😦

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The nicest thing I can say about Jurassic World is that it was definitely better than the other Jurassic Park sequels…although that’s probably the definition of damning with faint praise.

Honestly, some of the effects from the Jurassic Park are better than what we got in Jurassic World.

Jurassic World did actually start out with a good premise (park already up and running as a worldwide phenomenon)… and just having the dinosaurs escape and wreak havoc could have worked reasonably well… but we also got:

Genetic modified dinosaur - Stupid

Training Dinosaurs - really stupid

Guy wanting to use dinosaurs for military shit - incredibly stupid

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Mocata said:

Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly are writing it.

Oooh that’s bad…

I though Rian was writing it.

That’s good…!

Paramount’s already staked out a Transformers movie

Can I go now 😦

Apparently Rian was going to write a treatment but isn’t any longer.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

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Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

Evidently The Force Awakens doesn’t really follow George’s outline, hence the “white slavers” comment and all that. I don’t think there’s a chance they’d ever try to return to them now.

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Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

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There was at least a vague outline and apparently a few concepts did make it to TFA. I don’t know why the filmmakers should feel like they have any obligation to follow it though, it’d be pretty silly to lock themselves into that story, whatever it was (and who knows how much of a story it was). Lucas drifted quite a bit from his own treatments for all the other SW movies anyway. Just how the creative process works.

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Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

From what I remember, Lucas had a 50-page story outline for the entire ST and hired Michael Arndt to write the screenplay for VII. Abrams eventually rewrote the script himself, keeping certain elements from Arndt’s earlier draft. For example, we know that a female protagonist was always in the cards. One of the very earliest rumors following the Disney deal was that Matthew Vaughn would direct with Chloe Grace Moretz in the starring role.

The only major difference I remember hearing about was Abrams giving the original characters a bigger role in the story. I’m sure there were other differences, apparently enough for the “white slavers” comment from Lucas, but did TFA at least vaguely resemble his outline for VII or was it really that different?

George showing up at Celebration makes me wonder if TLJ isn’t going to get back to what he had in mind for the ST.

EDIT: Cobb beat me to it.

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Fang Zei said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

From what I remember, Lucas had a 50-page story outline for the entire ST and hired Michael Arndt to write the screenplay for VII. Abrams eventually rewrote the script himself, keeping certain elements from Arndt’s earlier draft. For example, we know that a female protagonist was always in the cards. One of the very earliest rumors following the Disney deal was that Matthew Vaughn would direct with Chloe Grace Moretz in the starring role.

The only major difference I remember hearing about was Abrams giving the original characters a bigger role in the story. I’m sure there were other differences, apparently enough for the “white slavers” comment from Lucas, but did TFA at least vaguely resemble his outline for VII or was it really that different?

George showing up at Celebration makes me wonder if TLJ isn’t going to get back to what he had in mind for the ST.

Supposedly Lucas is a big fan of Rogue One… that might have something to do with it.

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Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

From what I remember, Lucas had a 50-page story outline for the entire ST and hired Michael Arndt to write the screenplay for VII. Abrams eventually rewrote the script himself, keeping certain elements from Arndt’s earlier draft. For example, we know that a female protagonist was always in the cards. One of the very earliest rumors following the Disney deal was that Matthew Vaughn would direct with Chloe Grace Moretz in the starring role.

The only major difference I remember hearing about was Abrams giving the original characters a bigger role in the story. I’m sure there were other differences, apparently enough for the “white slavers” comment from Lucas, but did TFA at least vaguely resemble his outline for VII or was it really that different?

George showing up at Celebration makes me wonder if TLJ isn’t going to get back to what he had in mind for the ST.

Supposedly Lucas is a big fan of Rogue One… that might have something to do with it.

Oh, really? I don’t follow every bit of Star Wars news like I used to (I still haven’t bothered to look up which scene in TFA uses a cgi mask for Kylo Ren). I knew that George had visited the Rogue One set. Was he also taken with the finished product?

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Fang Zei said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

From what I remember, Lucas had a 50-page story outline for the entire ST and hired Michael Arndt to write the screenplay for VII. Abrams eventually rewrote the script himself, keeping certain elements from Arndt’s earlier draft. For example, we know that a female protagonist was always in the cards. One of the very earliest rumors following the Disney deal was that Matthew Vaughn would direct with Chloe Grace Moretz in the starring role.

The only major difference I remember hearing about was Abrams giving the original characters a bigger role in the story. I’m sure there were other differences, apparently enough for the “white slavers” comment from Lucas, but did TFA at least vaguely resemble his outline for VII or was it really that different?

George showing up at Celebration makes me wonder if TLJ isn’t going to get back to what he had in mind for the ST.

EDIT: Cobb beat me to it.

50 pages? I never got the impression it was that exhaustive, but then again there hasn’t been a whole lot said on the matter.

One of the closest things to official BTS material about the script is the Art of book, which doesn’t go into much but it does make it seem like there were some specific ideas from the outset (female protagonist - Rey, some sort of pirate type I think? - Finn, and a Jedi Killer - Kylo) that may or may not have been from Lucas. The book also makes it clear that the development process was very much an evolution, presumably starting with the treatment, through with Arndt’s contributions (and it’s not clear if he ever completed a draft) and when JJ was added, and then when JJ brought Kasdan on and they took over writing duties (I think many assumed that Arndt was fired or something but it seems like he still contributed even after he stopped physically writing).

Ultimately I guess whatever Lucas’s contributions were weren’t enough to get him a “story by” credit, while Arndt’s contributions were enough to just get him a straight up screenplay credit. So they must have evolved the script quite a bit beyond whatever George had in mind.

Whether TLJ or IX will have anything to do with that initial treatment, who knows. We probably won’t find out until after IX is out (I’m sure the reason the TFA Making of book was indefinitely delayed is because there were potential TLJ and IX spoilers in the development stages).

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I’m now starting to get worried about this movie. The saga doesn’t deserve a bad end.