I do NOT want them to re-do the SFX from TNG, and if they DO rework them, I'd wish they do something like they've done with TOS (that means BOTH versions of the effects on the same disc).
I agree, but I don't think its likely.pittrek said:
I do NOT want them to re-do the SFX from TNG, and if they DO rework them, I'd wish they do something like they've done with TOS (that means BOTH versions of the effects on the same disc).
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If they cropped the image nobody but idiots would buy it.
It was not shot 16:9.
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What's interesting is that at least some of the effects were, as this proves:skyjedi2005 said:
If they cropped the image nobody but idiots would buy it.
It was not shot 16:9.
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I thought it was standard vistavision ILM used.
I could be wrong i admit.
But that is what i remember reading in some magazine.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
That makes sense, and what I meant. I wonder if the other effects done after the pilot were done in VistaVision/widescreen?
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TheBoost said:
Perhaps I'm not clear.
We WANT them to re-do the SFX form TNG and Bab5?
I thought this website is against that type of thing?
The point I was making was that the resolution of the special effects is a unmovable log jam for future releases of the episodes.
If the DVDs look jarring because the highly interwoven effects are of a different resolution and aspect ratio to the live action imagine how that would look on blu-ray.
The only way B5 could get a blu-ray release would be sell less discs by fitting more episodes on each.
Nobody would buy such a set (I doubt WB would want to sell them).
Classic Doctor Who is probably in a similar state.
DVD is probably the last viable physical medium for selling those episodes (as much as I love my Day Of The Daleks set the picture isn't going to look better with a further upgrade).
People will probably be able to get the episodes as downloads but they will never look better than the DVD versions.
The only way to get around that with B5 would be to redo all the effects (which is pretty much a total rebuild of the series) WB probably wouldn't pay for that even if the sets sold well.
doubleofive said:
I agree, but I don't think its likely.pittrek said:
I do NOT want them to re-do the SFX from TNG, and if they DO rework them, I'd wish they do something like they've done with TOS (that means BOTH versions of the effects on the same disc).
At least we're not having the argument here that seems to be happening everywhere else. "Is it going to be in Pan & Scan, or are they going to make it fit my HDTV? TOS HD looks dumb." You all understand aspect ratios and how terrible cropping the image would be.
let me get straight, there people complaining that they didn't
A: cut the tops and bottoms of the pic so it could fill a 16:9 tv screen
or
B: stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9
?
there are people who actually want that A or B?
These people shouldn't be watching Star Trek, it would easier go over their heads. I would recommend that these people watch Sesame Street instead. it much more closely fits their intelligence level.
doubleofive said:
What's interesting is that at least some of the effects were, as this proves:skyjedi2005 said:
If they cropped the image nobody but idiots would buy it.
It was not shot 16:9.
Maybe the footage shot by ILM for the pilot/intro was on 70mm or something?
where did you get this pic from?
possibly the effects were filmed 16:9, but was the live action footage shot that way?
The top image is from All Good Things and the bottom image is from the HD teaser. Looks like ILM shot the effects for the pilot on VistaVision, but I doubt the in-house effects group did after that. The live action was 4:3.
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TheBoost said:
Perhaps I'm not clear.
We WANT them to re-do the SFX form TNG and Bab5?
I thought this website is against that type of thing?
The trouble with TNG is that unlike TOS, alot of the editing and effects were done using video Tapes. Which is obviously a pretty low resolution thing compared to blu-ray.
Editing for Deep Space Nine and voyager were also done using video tapes. They released an up-scaled version of the DS9 episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations' on the second season TOS blu-ray, which was pretty piss poor. That probably explains why they are redoing the compositing and re-editing the episodes of TNG.
At least Paramount tries to release a quality product, unlike Lucasfilm.
That's 11 points for Trek, 4 for Wars so far. Come on Lucas, step up your game.
I might actually buy a blu-ray player now, better make that 12 points for trek.
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TheBoost said:
Perhaps I'm not clear.
We WANT them to re-do the SFX form TNG and Bab5?
I thought this website is against that type of thing?
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Wait, they're recomping all the visual effects? I'm with TheBoost. Aren't we against that? I know I'm against that. I certainly hope they do branching because this just sounds extremely worrisome to me. I've never managed to complete my TOS DVD collection because the only ones that are available are those stupid CG versions.
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Gaffer Tape said:
Wait, they're recomping all the visual effects? I'm with TheBoost. Aren't we against that? I know I'm against that. I certainly hope they do branching because this just sounds extremely worrisome to me. I've never managed to complete my TOS DVD collection because the only ones that are available are those stupid CG versions.
They're only recompositing the effects because they were originally post-produced in SD. So, having them on Blu-ray would be pointless unless they recreated everything from scratch. Which they are doing. And TOS is available on Blu-ray with the ability to branch between both CG and old versions.
In my eyes, TNG is already available in it's original form on DVD. While I would hope they would include both, that would basically mean having both the all-new HD version and the DVD version on the same disc. They're starting from scratch. The original comps are at SD on video masters. In order to upgrade them they'd have to do exactly what they're doing.
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Well, that worries me in terms of the future. Presumably this version will end up supplanting the original for all future home video releases...
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Gaffer Tape said:
I've never managed to complete my TOS DVD collection because the only ones that are available are those stupid CG versions.
I am pretty sure the originals were also released on DVD. At any rate, both the originals and the SE are on the TOS blu ray.
They were (I own season 1, hence my assertion that I could never COMPLETE my collection), but they were recalled when the newer DVDs were released.
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get yourself a blu ray player and get the blu-rays. Have you considered looking on e-bay for the original DVDs? There must be someone out there that has them and is willing to sell.
Warb, the blu-rays would be useless unless Gaff already has a widescreen TV thanks to how blu-rays encode video information. Frankly it's absolutely atrocious compared to DVD, it's so awful I can't explain it other than by saying 4:3 picture is pillarboxed into a 16:9 frame on old TVs. So you get the full image, but it doesn't take up all the vertical space on your TV.
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twister111 said:
TheBoost said:
Perhaps I'm not clear.
We WANT them to re-do the SFX form TNG and Bab5?
I thought this website is against that type of thing?
Just have to say this. With Babylon 5 there's still a chance they could find the original computer files and, re-render them in higher resolution. So, they could offer an option of new CGI or, the original CGI both in true HD if they find those files.
About TNG on Blu-ray. It's neat that it's happening but, I wouldn't be too bothered to buy it... TNG airs on TV all the time anyway...
Seriously ? In my country it was shown on TV for the last time in cca 1996/97
pittrek said:
Seriously ? In my country it was shown on TV for the last time in cca 1996/97
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Elegant Tobacco said:
They're only recompositing the effects because they were originally post-produced in SD. So, having them on Blu-ray would be pointless unless they recreated everything from scratch.
Is improved image quality the only reason to re-release something?
How many DVDs were released in quality that didn't take full advantage of the new format? Plenty.
I don't think it's a secret that I'm more into Trek than Star Wars, so it shouldn't be a surprise when I say that I'm in for every season of TNG on Blu-ray. CBS did an amazing job with TOS and The Twilight Zone, so I have a lot of faith that TNG will turn out beautifully.
Regarding the effects shots, it looks like they're going back to the original film elements for the models, but the CG is still a mystery. My hope is that they provide higher-res effects that are faithful to the original (same look, just rendered at 1080p). I don't see what else they could do; including the original effects isn't an option unless they take the same route Universal did with Firefly, and that didn't provide very good results in my opinion. It's painfully obvious when the uprezzed shots kick in.
I don't think updated effects that are faithful to the original CG are at odds with the purpose behind ot.com. In the case of Star Wars, all the original effects exist on film for remastering. Older TV shows shot on film but using CG effects rendered at 480i don't have a clear-cut path to HD, and certain compromises will have to be made.
My hope is that they can do something similar to the Toy Story Blu-ray release, which basically took the original CG and re-rendered it at 1080p. Higher resolution, but faithful to the original.
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greenpenguino said:
re-editing the episodes of TNG.
At least CBS Digital tries to release a quality product.
Fixed.
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bkev said:
Warb, the blu-rays would be useless unless Gaff already has a widescreen TV thanks to how blu-rays encode video information. Frankly it's absolutely atrocious compared to DVD, it's so awful I can't explain it other than by saying 4:3 picture is pillarboxed into a 16:9 frame on old TVs. So you get the full image, but it doesn't take up all the vertical space on your TV.
when did Gaff ever say he didn't have a widescreen tv? If he doesn't have one, perhaps its time to get one. The prices are coming down on them, I think. As for the 4:3 picture being pllarboxed into the 16:9 frame on old tvs, I believe at least some blu-ray players have setting where you can have the sides of the 16:9 picture cut off instead of having the 4:3 picture pillarboxed. Of course I could be all wrong about that. I've never tried using a blu ray player with a standard 4:3 tv.